To that moron who was slamming Gary: check this out. Y2K problems are coming down the pike SOON. Electric power failures, gas pipeline explosions, communications failures, all to be blamed on "terrorists", and used as a justification for taking away our civil liberties!

http://news.excite.com/news/r/000619/18/tech-security:

Clarke, in his comments to the conference, said he was trying to prod Congress and the public to ward off a potential computer attack "in which cities have lost electrical power and telephones, gas pipelines are blowing up across the country, trains have been derailed across the country,"

"A lot of people are going to be willing to throw civil liberties out the window" after any such computer attack, he said.

-- Richard Clarke, the White House National Security Council staff coordinator for security, infrastructure protection and counter-terrorism

-- a voice (crying.in@the.wilderness), June 19, 2000

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Except that this has nothing to do with y2k, and except that they've been warning about this for years with no visible problems, and except that the game of breaking/increasing security goes on continually, you might have a point. But it's good to see that those who are paid to worry about such things are earning their salaries.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), June 19, 2000.

Yawwwwnnn..... Heard it all before. Not falling for FUD again. Gary North, alarmist, sorry excuse for financial planning, religious nut--in short, a moron.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), June 19, 2000.

You missed the whole point.

"A lot of people are going to be willing to throw civil liberties out the window"

Hegelian dialectic. Use Y2K for it, and if the effects don't manifest until the high-demand season, just wait, and blame "terrorists". But the goal remains unchanged. Good bye civil liberties.

-- a voice (crying.in@the.wilderness), June 19, 2000.

AH YES, SUCKEROOS:

Gary Duct Tape North. "the abyss of raging impotence..."

Gary North
&
Y2K

---

In his November and December newsletters, Gary North has quite explicitly abandoned y2k as Gods judgment, and returned to his plans for developing an online publishing house for Christian Reconstruction in the year 2000. The transition will not be as easy for many on his roller coaster ride from cataclysmic judgment to everything-as-usual. Many lives have been dislocated or ruined, partly from their own folly, partly from the machinations of an accomplished scoundrel. Each had their own motive for being misled, from Art Bell and his listeners to Ed Yourdon, from Internet neophytes to the fringe extreme. Many saw aspects of themselves they never knew existed, the barbarous subterranean just beneath the surface of civilized life erupting through groveling insecurity and fear, played as by a consummate artist. Others proudly discovered a new ethic of Christian survivalism. Either way Gary has moved on, ushering to the metronome of his boorish catechization a new remnant of devotees into Gary Christendom, the knave in the image of God, the abyss of raging impotence.

Paul Thibodeau, 12/10/99

LINK

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 19, 2000.

if the effects don't manifest until the high-demand season, just wait, and blame "terrorists".

You gotta be kidding. Why can't you give it up? People still chanting that mantra sound desparate for something to happen in/for:

A) their dull lives B) payback for the gubbmint that done them wrong C) wasted their lives and TEOW is their ace in the hole to be "superior" D) delusional nutz

Usually A-D applies.

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), June 19, 2000.

Buddy:

I suspect for some people there is also E: maybe ("oh please, God, oh pleeeze") the child support system will self destruct.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), June 19, 2000.

Houston...WE have a problem!

There is a LARGE gaggle of paisley pigs heading due south by southwest,they do not appear hostile but seem somewhat confused,their pattern is somewhat erratic : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), June 19, 2000.

There was no problem with the IRS -- so I suspect there has been almost zero effect from y2k. There may be other problems on the horizon, but they have nothing to do with y2k. Lets move on...

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), June 19, 2000.

Is this what Gary is up to these days?

-- Bubba Klintononi (no@no.no), June 19, 2000.

You humans and your petty 21st century problems. The sun is about to explode, and swallow the inner planets...

Spock to Enterprise...

I'm finished here captain. There is no sign of intelligent life left on earth. Beam me up, Scotty...

-- cmdr (spock@space.net_enterprise.c), June 19, 2000.

See The Crypt Newsletter for a needed dose of sanity.

-- Stephen (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), June 20, 2000.

Obvious troll.

Doomer trolls can't pretend to be pollies anymore but polly trolls can still tweak. Seems to suit 'em though huh?

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), June 20, 2000.

Doomer trolls can't pretend to be pollies anymore

So you are finally willing to come out of the closet and admit that you doomers were posing as pollies, huh?

Now if you could just be a little more specific.....

-- Name (rank@serial.number), June 20, 2000.

You people are really dense.

I was quoting Richard Clarke, the White House National Security Council staff coordinator for security, infrastructure protection and counter-terrorism, who said, "A lot of people are going to be willing to throw civil liberties out the window" after any such computer attack, he said."

Get it?

HE SAID IT, not me.

Now read what he said, and look who he is.

-- a voice (crying.in@the.wilderness), June 20, 2000.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000620/wr/tech_security_dc_2.html

Tuesday June 20 3:34 AM ET

Foreign Powers Probing U.S. Networks: Official

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A top aide to President Clinton said that unspecified hostile countries were probing U.S. computer networks for ways to spark mayhem if war broke out.

``This is not theoretical. It's real,'' said Richard Clarke, the White House National Security Council staff coordinator for security, infrastructure protection and counter-terrorism.

For years, Clarke has been warning of the threat of an ''electronic Pearl Harbor'' in the form of blitzes on the computerized infrastructure that increasingly binds the United States.

In remarks to a cyber-security conference Monday, he said several countries were carrying out ``electronic reconnaissance today on our civilian infrastructure computer networks.''

They were ``looking for ways that they could attack the United States in a time of war,'' Clarke told the session organized by the American Enterprise Institute, a public policy research group in Washington.

He declined to identify any power allegedly carrying out such surveillance and also declined to contradict a fellow panel member, Richard Perle, who singled out North Korea by name.

Perle, an assistant U.S. secretary of defense for international security policy from 1981 to 1987, said U.S. authorities had detected ``intrusions'' into U.S. networks from North Korea, the last Stalinist bastion. He said North Korean hackers had left behind a malicious code designed for possible activation as a kind of Trojan horse.

Pressed on the source of his information, Perle handed the question to Clarke, who said he would leave it to the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, George Tenet, to declassify the identities of alleged culprits.

CIA and other national security officials have told Congress that China and Russia are among countries allegedly developing ''information warfare'' capabilities to deal with lopsided U.S. conventional force strength.

For its part, the Defense Department plans to make cyber blitzes on a foe's computer networks a standard tool of war, Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, now the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in January.

Potential Computer Attack

Clarke, in his comments to the conference, said he was trying to prod Congress and the public to ward off a potential computer attack ``in which cities have lost electrical power and telephones, gas pipelines are blowing up across the country, trains have been derailed across the country,''

``A lot of people are going to be willing to throw civil liberties out the window'' after any such computer attack, he said.

``I don't know that we had enemy aircraft flying over Pearl Harbor day after day before the attack for reconnaissance,'' he said. ``If we did, we might have done something about it.''

``Well, we have the equivalent today of enemy aircraft flying over the target ... doing electronic reconnaissance on our networks.

``And I cannot understand how we as a nation don't see that and don't react,'' Clarke added, faulting the Republican-led Congress for failing to fund new cyber-security programs called for in Clinton's budget for fiscal 2001, which begins on Oct. 1.

Earlier in the day, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno urged high-tech companies to step up cooperation with law enforcement officials battling cyber crime.

Acknowledging private-sector qualms about divulging security breaches, she vowed to minimize the impact of federal investigations on cyber-crime victims.

``Today, I call on leaders in the high-tech industry to address this problem and take concrete steps to report and encourage others to report cyber-crime incidents to law enforcement,'' she told a ``Cyber Crime summit'' in Herndon, Virginia, outside Washington.

-- (from@the.wires), June 20, 2000.

Voice,

Clarke is just another Clinton hack. Who knows what his private agenda is.

Why do you believe everything the government says? That is not prudent.

Clinton appointees have been indicted for lying to Congress. Maybe again.

-- (happy@nd.retired), June 20, 2000.

Just for the record, Flint. I don't know who you were addressing as Buddy, but I didn't post here until now.

As for this thread "Gary North was right!" ROFLMAO!

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 20, 2000.

Who said comedy was dead?????

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), June 20, 2000.