Yes, a new Euro2000 distraction, identifying the forced, inappropriate and down-right tedious name-checks Newton Heath receive from the adoring commentators at Euro2000.

My current runaway winner had to be Clive "Red" Tyldsley during the Ingerlund game: "We are now 2 minutes from Teddy and Ole time" Give me f***ing strength!

-- Anonymous, June 13, 2000

Answers

Softie...best you and Jonno stop socialising together now :-)

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Oh howay LR. What has "Teddy and Ole time" got to do with anything other than some lucky win a few months ago? Taggert time is fair do's in a ManUre match. But this is Ing-er-lund. Back in yer box, bonny lad.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

I can't beleive that has got yer goat?..I never heard it but I expect it was said with a few mins left af a game and CT was surely using United's final mins in a Cupo Final as an example of what could happen. Pitty the England players couldn't act in 45 mins how Ole and Teddy did in 2! :-)

I'm sure if I see any player weeping and CT says "he's doin' a Gazza", I ain't gonna get all wound-up about it. :-)

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

LR,

There's a competition on some website for the person who notices the most "red" references during one of Clive;s commentaries.. it's that obvious.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

This may come as a big surprise Lancy ;-), but your Euro Cup Final was a dreadful game. I fully understand why it means so much to you as a supporter of the club, but when sycophantic morons keep bringing that poxy game up like it was a classic makes me puke. I had really hoped that the incomparably superior final this season would have shut them up out of sheer embarrassment.

All this 'Unforgettable night in the Nou Camp' crap - trust me, I'd love to forget it; 90 minutes of f*** all and then 2 spawny goals, puleeezzeee, that isn't what football should be about.

'Night of Glory in Barcelona' - night of the sodding glory-hunters more like. No atmosphere during the match. Deathly silence. Thousands of bored onlookers not singing as two workmanlike sides hoofed the ball from one end of the pitch to the other. The Germans kept adding defenders and then you got a bloody corner in injury time. Urgh!

It says so much about the ITV shower that they talk about that game with such reverence. Like all glory-hunters the result is everything to these guys. It's a glory night because they won. Nothing else matters. A position that's understandable in lifelong fans who have watched their side get knocked out of that competition season after season, but I bet they don't go on about it as a great game - a great result for sure, but not a great game. The fact that ITV got some of their best ever ratings for the match and keep trying to plug the Champions League means that they remember for a completely different reason anyway, but even so, you'd have thought a company in the entertainment industry would try to downplay such a poor spectacle and not keep bringing it up all the time.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Douggie...there's also a web site directed entirely at anti-"Manure" abuse....for all you abu's out there. So?

So CT makes "red" references...so?....it's like the Jocks getting wound up still about comments Jimmy Hill made eons ago :-)

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Softy...now I'll surprise you later...with the comments from 3 different origins wrt THAT game....and ALL thought it splendid...very splendid indeed :-)

Your memory is slipping wrt that game anyway...there was loads of decent action throughout the game...and yer clutching at straws now if yer dogging the atmosphere.

I'd suggest that ANY game that ends like ours did will stand head and shoulders above any gane where it's won from a goal in the 20th min for example.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

PS..it's also disappointing to notice your increase in the level of shit you seem to be hurling at our support. "Barcelona....night of the glory hunters"??? "one from Croydon and two from Devon" etc etc. Hmmm..funny is it? I dunno...maybe I'm having a sense of humour failure..a bit like our Dave.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Fuck...the more I analyse your thread the more I see you and Jonno sitting down penning this shit...."It says so much about the ITV shower that they talk about that game with such reverence. Like all glory-hunters the result is everything to these guys. It's a glory night because they won. Nothing else matters. A position that's understandable in lifelong fans who have watched their side get knocked out of that competition season after season, but I bet they don't go on about it as a great game - a great result for sure, but not a great game"

The other night when it was put to Keegan that it was a "great game"...he replied " I've played in plenty of great games"..and then he shrugged. Ya see mate NO ONE cares that it was a great game if ya lose. What feckin good is it if England play in 3 great games and are home by next Thursday??

I sincerly hope NUFC start winning something soon mate...for your sake.

PS.."spawney goals"....flukes were they?

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Bloody hell, were ManU in the European Cup final? Naebody telt me! Did Charlton score? I only watch cup finals with NUFC in them me.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Of course I can laugh at the lack of support, I watched the game and there wasn't a peep out of them for 70 minutes. George Best buggered off, every shot had glum, silent faces....I'm sure the celebratory video has added plenty since, but the broadcast was singularly lacking in background noise. Pitiful, and a stark contrast to the black and white end of Wembley a few days earlier.

As for my increasing levels of taking the rise out of your supporters being from elsewhere: crossed wires I'm afraid. The Carol Vorderman comment was just a gag at the usual "1 from the middle and 2 from the bottom, please" and shouldn't cause any offence. When I complained about Night of the Gloryhunters I don't give a damn where someone is from - if you are just happy because a team has won while you have invested no pain of suffering in supporting them then you are a gloryhunter.

You know I'm not a Geordie, why would I give a hoot where a fan is from? I'm a genuine NUFC fan and class myself as infinitely more dedicated than the Geordie whose seat I used for the last 2 seasons while he couldn't be arsed to pay to watch us while we were crap. He's a gloryhunter and so is every twat in this country who latches onto a side who look like they are guaranteed to do well without risking being hurt by actually getting involved.

I don't begrudge you or any other Man United fan your sense of achievement at winning the European Champions League, but I do object to supposedly neutral broadcasters banging on about it constantly and describing a crap game as a "classic" when they have just covered an infinitely more enjoyable final this year and should therefore have been able to spot the difference. There was nothing action-packed about your final: the journey there had been extraordinary with those amazing ties against Inter and Juve, where you had played superb football that was a pleasure to watch. The Final was dire.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

That's the same Kevin Keegan who rates the 4-3 loss at Anfield as one of the best games he's ever been involved with is it?

He said that he was gutted afterwards but turned to Terry Mac and said that whatever else happened, that is how football should be played and he could accept losing some games so long as they were all played that way.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Aye Softie...itwas the very same Keegan who made those comments to Terry Mac...butthen he would wouldn't he...brave face in the light of the PL slipping away...it's just that now he realises that "FUCK the brave face". It's reality out there. When told that England had just taken part in a great game, believe me..when he said what he said it was obvious that he would have taken a 1:0 BORING as hell win...go ask him.....but I'm sure you know his answer already. :-)

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

And he would have described it as boring, not called it a classic. No? :-)

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

This argument needs beer!!

Look...I'm a die-hard Red...I've seen the bad times at my club and I'm experiencing the good times now. Give me a boring 1:0 win over a "classic" defeat ANYTIME...and I mean ANYTIME.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

I have no frame of reference...haven't seen any wins of any kind...what's it like? :-D

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

It's a joy mate..especially if it happens in injury time :-)

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000