THIS IS TOO STUPID FOR COMMENT: http://www.stuarthrodman.com/video.htm

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The Paula: we are now at a 1.5 -2.5 and if problems keep increasing we will get to 4.0 by the middle of next year (2001).

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CLIP 13; OR: http://www.stuarthrodman.com/gordon20.asf

-- Anon (anon@anon.anon), June 05, 2000

Answers

My dear Anon,

I am responding to your invitation ( you placed my name in our posted heading). But I can see no reference to me in your text.

As for knowing ( or following) Mistress Gordon's themes...This I have not done. But apparently I should have.... No! I do not have the time in my day, to do so. And I believe that she doesn't need any one help in proceeding in her efforts. Most certainly not the efforts that an old shirt tailed electrican ( with a "bent" towards modifying systems to that they are (time counting).

Really...All any control system needs to be "date" sensitive. Is a small cap.( to act as a battery) and a counter. Now add a sordering pencil! And you have a "date" sensitive control..

But thanks for the thought ( using my name in your heading)..It will surely attract little Kennie Pec..I mean Decker's attention.

LOL

"As for me...I shall finish the Game"!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), June 05, 2000.

Really...All any control system needs to be "date" sensitive. Is a small cap.( to act as a battery) and a counter. Now add a sordering pencil! And you have a "date" sensitive control..

Shakey,

I really don't know anything about control systems so please bear with me. I think that what your saying here is that any system with a counter is subject to overflowing that counter eventually. Are you saying that systems engineers, in general, are so sloppy that they don't make allowances for overflow conditions? Isn't this one of the most basic concepts in systems design?

It would seem that the lack of problems at rollover would be pretty convincing evidence to the contrary. This event concentrated all of these overflows into a period of a few hours and yet the basic infrastructure of the country didn't miss a beat. In your example, these types of overflows will be scattered randomly over a time frame that's anybodys guess. How is that any different from the random failures that these systems experience all the time?

-- fwiw (a@b.c), June 05, 2000.

Shakey,

Are you getting help for your problems now?

Try to remember that "Bed Wetting Can be Stopped". You only need to see a trained Professional.

-- Anon (anon@anon.anon), June 05, 2000.

Too many trolls, so little time...

Shakey, I believe you will finish the game, I love your ending :-)

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), June 05, 2000.

Mr. Shakey -- how are you, sir? We haven't had any updates about your tests. I hope that things aren't as dire as feared. Regular gas is up to $1.67 in Columbus, OH, and we're already seeing some minor economic effects, and I know of several families who have cancelled their trip plans in favor of remodeling their homes while gas prices remain high.

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), June 06, 2000.

I'm sorry, I don't understand the original question. Are Shakey and The Paula a couple of what?

-- Who (need@to.know?), June 06, 2000.

Mr. Shakey -- how are you, sir? We haven't had any updates about your tests. I hope that things aren't as dire as feared. Regular gas is up to $1.67 in Columbus, OH, and we're already seeing some minor economic effects, and I know of several families who have cancelled their trip plans in favor of remodeling their homes while gas prices remain high.

Lets see here:

If we assume that gas has increased by $0.60 per gallon, your friends drive an SUV that gets 12 miles per gallon and that they were planning on driving 2,500 miles on their trip, the extra cost due to the increase in gas prices is:

[$0.60 x 2,500 / 12] = $125 (please note that this is based on worst case assumptions)

What kind of remodelling are they doing? Buying new hubcaps for the mobile home?

-- typical doomer logic (get@real.already), June 06, 2000.

>What kind of remodelling are they doing? Buying new hubcaps for the mobile home?

How did you guess? Gee, you are good! Do you have any hot stock tips?

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), June 06, 2000.

My example above is pretty much on the high end of the additional cost of a driving vacation. The average additional cost is probably more like $40-$50.

I can certainly see that a family might opt to cancel vacation plans when they are in the process of remodelling their home. Remodelling is a very expensive proposition. My only problem is your attempt to use the $50-$100 extra that they would spend on gasoline as the trigger that prompted them to scrap vacation plans in favor of something that's probably going to cost a heck of a lot more than their entire vacation would have. Sounds way too much like all those "I've got this friend......" stories that were supposed to convince us all how bad y2k was going to be.

As for economic impacts, I'd say that remodelling a home is going to do at least as much for economic growth as taking a vacation, and a good chunk of the money will stay right there in Columbus.

-- typical doomer logic (get@real.already), June 06, 2000.

Try adding that amount to what they had originally budgeted to the vacation, and then you could be talking some major coin.

It ain't just gas for the car, the airlines are charging an additional fee because fuel is more expensive..

-- Think some more (logic@the.ready), June 06, 2000.

Think Some More,

Okay, at one point earlier this year most airlines were surcharging $20 per ticket to cover higher fuel costs. I believe that at this point most airlines have dropped the surcharge, but let's assume that they haven't. So were talking $80 on a family of four, probably about an extra 5%-10% on the airfare if the family shopped around for the best deal. But now they're flying so any driving will probably be incidental and additional gasoline cost are now going to be probably in the $5-$10 range. Still puts the total extra expense at less than $100. I would guess that the average week long vacation spent at hotel will cost $3,000 - $5,000. So we are talking about an extra 2% - 3%.

The average kitchen remodel is $15,000 - $20,000 and the average bathroom remodel is $7,000 - $10,000.

I still don't buy it that facing an additional $100 of vacation expense was the cause for the switch in priorities. I do buy that the vaction was cancelled in favor of remodelling, period, end of story, no linkage to higher gasoline prices.

-- typical doomer logic (get@real.already), June 06, 2000.

>The average kitchen remodel is $15,000 - $20,000 and the average bathroom remodel is $7,000 - $10,000.

Or...Less than $80 for the bath if one is buying paint, new switch plates, and a new throw rug. Remodelling doesn't necessarily mean high cost around here. I'll mention the hub caps to my neighbor tonight. He'll think that's funny.

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), June 06, 2000.