I passed a church today, on their billboard, they made reference to Jesus being "nailed" to a cross. Now, I was born with a given curosity, and I have read up that metal nails were not invented until the 1700's. Remember the tongue and groove homes the old westeners had? I believe Jesus lived and was hanged to die. But who da hell thought up that his hands and feet were "nailed" centuries, before such a device was invented? You better think on this one, for a while........

-- This one (right@betweenyoureyes.com), June 03, 2000

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well,why did JESUS show the HOLES in his hands'to doubting thomas,after he[JESUS] was risen????????nail,s no,spikes yah.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), June 03, 2000.

wooden spikes my man, just like they use on us vampires

-- count dracula (i want to @ drink. your blood), June 03, 2000.

Jesu nailed Maria Magdalena lotsa times.

-- (sarducci@vat.city), June 04, 2000.

AL-d what book you been reading? When Jesus "rose" it wasn't a dog and pony show like it sought to show how he had suffered. I am going to call you on this one. My email is crobbs1@bellsouth.net. Email me, and I can tell you about the 26 year old girl who lies next to human skin death, and to whom I was called to visit, by a Higher. I hugged her comatose frame, and spoke words to her, because it was what I was called to do. I ain't no angel, by a long shot.

-- My Story (andi'm@stickingtoit.com), June 04, 2000.

THOMAS DOUBTED that JESUS rose from tomb.JESUS wanted too comfort thomas,thomas believed,he calledd jesus my LORD & MY GOD. CLUE=JESUS IS GOD-COME IN FLESH.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), June 04, 2000.

Al,

I got re-baptized today (as an adult) in a beautiful lake. It was nice, and I thought you'd appreciated it. First time, when I was a kid was just with a sprinkle. Guess I needed a better cleaning this time! [G]

-- A Friend (afriend@jesus.christ.is.my.lord.and.savior), June 04, 2000.

Being a blacksmith & metalworker for 30 years. I would like to bring it to your attention that the 1700 type of nail (as we know it today) was & is used differently in name & usage. Wood pointed stakes could have been used, but it is more likely that a copper or iron handforged spike was more likely to have been available in that time period. Check and research materials, weapons and tools used in in that era.

-- awdragon (awdragon@mindspring.com), June 04, 2000.

HI a-friend,yup i got sprinkled when i was a baby'=meaningless. baptism is awesome 'if understood.[old man buried=new man risen] but for me,that,s when the BATTLE began.the OLD nature dies hard. for me it,s an on-going struggle--but if you keep focus,your ok. that stinkin human reasoning keeps getting in the way. just gotta hang with HIS PROMISES in spite of circumstances REAL-LIFE begins--when this life--ends.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), June 04, 2000.

Al,

Thanks for the encouragement. I always felt that full immersion was unnecessary. But it was really a great feeling, and I felt so CLEAN, afterwards. Fortunately the beautiful lake setting was also a reservoir for drinking water! But it was really nice to have it happen just like John and Jesus did. I didn't feel like showering unti this morning. It was also especially nice to re-affirm that JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVIOUR as an adult.

I agree that the tough part is just beginning, now. But the memory of the re-affirmation baptism experience will be with me always, and will be a force for good helping me to resist temptation and keep on the right path.

Incidentally, although I was raised a Christian and have tried to generally live my life according to my interpretation of Christian principles, it was when I moved to a semi-rural area and discovered a small, struggling, non-denominational Christian church that I suddenly felt like I belonged there. Indeed I do!

Christ's blessings be upon you always!!!

-- A Friend (afrend@jesus.christ.is.my.lord.and.savior), June 04, 2000.

DEAR A-FRIEND,don,t try in own strength---let[trust] him to do it IN you.alway,s remember''saved by GRACE-not of works] religion tries--TRUE christianity rests. HE works ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO his WILL. it took me years,too learn too SIMPLY TRUST. & not get in HIS way. ''simply cease from struggling & strife--SIMPLY walk in newness of LIFE''THE FOCUS IS ON WHAT he,s DONE--NOT ON US.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), June 04, 2000.

Thanks, Al!

God Bless You!!!

-- A Friend (afriend@jesus.christ.is.my.lord.and.savior), June 04, 2000.

Unlike the Egyptians form of crucifixion the Romans did not tie the condemned to the patibulum they used tapered square spikes about five and a half inches long and about a third of an inch across the top. The spikes were driven through the wrist at the heel of the hand. They knew the exact place to drive the spike so that it pressure on the median nerve. This would excruciating pain to run up and down the condemned's arms while at the same time causing the thumb to be drawn inward until it press against the palm. The fingers eventually are cramped inward toward the palm.

The condemned were nailed with their arms at a ninety degree angel but as they hung on the cross their body would eventually sag to about a sixty five degree angle. The weight of the body hanging in this position would cause the pectoral muscles to become paralyzed and the person would be able to breath in but not exhale.

Prior to death more often than not a person would flail his body about which would aggravated the guards. So, in order to prevent this they would nail the person's feet to the stipe. In doing this they discovered that the condemned would use the spike driven through their feet as a kind of step and force his body upward so that his arms would reach in angle that would allow him to breath again and thus prolong the time before death. Sometimes it could take days for a person to die when there feet were nailed to the stipe.

In nailing the feet to the stipe the knees were bent one foot was placed flat on the stipe and the other foot was placed on top of it. A spike was the driven through the second metatarsal space of the feet. Injuring the peroneal nerve and branches of the medial and lateral plantar nerves. Also causing the membrane of highly innervated connective tissue with numerous blood vessels surrounding the bones of the feet would be stripped creating very intense pain.

The Romans had become such experts at crucifixion that they were able to predict within about four hours the time of a person's death by the angle they used in bending the knees.

-- ~***~ (~***~@earth.ebe), June 04, 2000.

and JESUS being totally innocent, did this for us. those who mock,& disrespect him,will answer to the father. i love ths forum,i get to see prophecy in action. everything jesus SAID WOULD HAPPEN--IS HAPPENING HERE.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), June 04, 2000.

Al-d, for all your information and suppposedly direction, can you tell me why I am still still in this physical skin, where I am loathe to remain? Where daily life is painful from beginning to end?

-- My question (to@ld.com), June 04, 2000.

My Question,

Since Al-d hasn't weighed in yet, I'll try. God created the world to be a school for us to learn how to live his word. If things aren't going right, look within and realign yourself with God's word.

Incidentally, I have a lot of problems myself. It is easy to lapse into feeling sorry for onself, and/or to doubt God. But I have resolved to carry on and work with what I have and to try as best I can to do the Lord's work.

I'm just a regular guy, not an evangelical type, either.

-- Carryin On (carryinon@with.the.Lord's.Work), June 05, 2000.

Hello Al-d, I just had to post and say hi. Do you remember me from over a year ago? God bless you for speaking the truth. Yes, it does seem to be happening right before our eyes.

I rarely check in here anymore-hang out at ezboard. Also wanted to tell--I Believe in Him--you do a wonderful job! Keep on fighting the good fight for in the end we win!!

-- Formerly (I Believe) (Repent@time is now.com), June 05, 2000.

Actually, there's not much evidence that Jesus existed at all, nailed, spiked or otherwise.`

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), June 05, 2000.

Tarzan, how dare you snatch a crumb from a starving soul. Is there no mercy in your heart? You better re-think your lack of kindness, to others.

-- Tarzan ,the (food@thief.com), June 05, 2000.

i would rather do some suffering now,than suffer eternally. GOD does allow our faith to be tested.as gold is refined in fire. hang onto the promise''ALL ALL THINGS WORK TO-GETHER,FOR THE GOOD OF THOSE THAT LOVE GOD'& ARE [CALLED]ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSES'' JESUS goes thru the fire 'with us.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), June 05, 2000.