broad is the path,that leadeth'to DESTRUCTION'' NARROW IS THE way TO ETERNAL-LIFE. clue=JESUS said>> I AM THE WAY.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000

Answers

Jesus said it and I believe it.

-- Manny (Found@ the truth.com), May 21, 2000.

That makes Jesus sound like an arrogant egomaniac. I don't think that is what he said. I think he said *WE* Are The Way.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 21, 2000.

sorry hawk, he said I AM THE WAY. ignore it,deny it,twist it'whatever. GOD has spoken-thru his son. do you truly think'that by denying the LORD & HIS WORDS, will make HIM change his mind? oh foolish creature--to--contend with thy maker. hawk, are you open-minded? read the gospel of st. john. then make a statement.ALL men are sinners-in need of a saviour. sin has a cure--unbelief is damnation.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000.

There you go lying again Al, just like a typical Bible-thumper. I do NOT deny God at all. To deny God would be to deny ourselves, for We are All part of God. We are All sons of God, no different than Jesus, except that Jesus was a better teacher because he had more experience. How come you deny the part of the Bible when he said "Ye are Gods"? It's easier to for you wait around thinking that he is going to destroy all the "sinners", and then pick you up on his magic carpet, isn't it Al? Sorry Al, it doesn't work that way, we've got to practice what we preach. You're not going to be very happy when you leave this planet and you look down and others are still suffering. We've got to fix that Al. Jesus showed us how, but he ain't gonna do it all by himself.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 21, 2000.

gee hawk, i guess JESUS was confused,when he said-at his 2nd coming HE WOULD destroy his enemies-with the sword of his mouth.taking vengeance on ALL who ignore HIS GOSPEL. HE DON,T SOUND SO WIMPY THEN. TROUBLE IS ,WE CONFUSE THE LOVE OF GOD,WITH HUMAN SENTIMENT. read ALL of the bible,not just the cozy stuff. don,t be like those ,that want there 'ears tickled'

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000.

hawk=no different than JESUS??????????ROTFLMBO. since when did GOD call you, HIS MESSIAH??? HAWK WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING????? when we,re you resurected?crucified?walked on water'etc. now who,s LYING???

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000.

There you go again Al-d. What's up with you? Think you are ACTUALLY making any converts? Doesn't anybody listen to you in RL?(real life)

Thank you for your thumping concern, but yes, I'll take the preferable path!

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), May 21, 2000.

Al, if you still think violence and destruction is the answer then you might even be more confused than those who wrote the Bible. Jesus is NOT going to come back and kick our ass. LOL!! That is so funny, you really got me laughing now! :-)

Look at the kind of barbarians that were around when they "translated" the story of Jesus in the Bible. Half of them ganged up and drove spikes into his hands, and the rest of them stood around and watched! Do you even think they had a clue what the hell he meant when he told them they could solve their problems with love? Hell no, he was way ahead of his time, way too early. 2000 years later, and we are still only able to barely conceive of the possibility that someday we may live in peace and harmony on this planet. The point is that during the time the Bible was written, people lived in fear. You either obeyed the demands of those in power or you would get killed. They knew that Jesus was powerful, but they had no way to understand his approach of using love instead of fear... they had never seen it before. Jesus never said he was going to come back and destroy us, they were just paranoid.

I don't understand how you can take what some barbarians wrote thousands of years ago more seriously than what your God-given soul tells you. However, I am a believer in "to each his own". I know you don't believe this, because religion has convinced you to think of yourself as a weak, inferior creature, but we all get "resurrected" much like Jesus did, and someday we will all get a chance to walk on water too, if we so desire. As for "crucifixion", I think we all go through a bit of that in this physical life don't we? Maybe more slowly, but the pain of life does help us learn to appreciate our spiritual existence.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 21, 2000.

al-d,

Since you & Hawk seem to be enjoying each other, I feel secure that you won't be lonely as I'm going to refrain from responding to you for a while. If & when you decide to have a discussion drop me a line.

Best,

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), May 21, 2000.

sorry hawk,nice try--no religion didn,t teach me'too mistrust myself. ever read the story of the ''prodigal-son? i did it MY WAY-for years.--it didn,t work. oh i had alot of fun at times-no question.but like the bible say,s ''sin is pleasant ,for a season' i,m not bible-thumping-just thinking out loud.----i,m totally convinced--that on that great judgment day. all that will matter.--is ,IS YOUR NAME WRITTEN-IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE.----BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD[JESUS] WHO-SAVES ALL-WHO ACCEPT HIS BLOOD.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000.

So you go from one extreme to the other? When you say you did it your way and it didn't work, it sounds like you over-indulged in the physical, "sins of the flesh". I don't think you did it YOUR way, I think you did it the way your mind and body wanted to do it. So now you've gone from overindulging in pleasures of the physical, and the guilt that goes with it, to a total denial of your spiritual self, simply following words in a book that some paranoid lunatics wrote 2000 years ago.

That's the whole point of TRUE awareness as Walsh teaches it... when you open your mind to re-discover Who You Really Are, you find it much easier to act according to your spiritual soul, instead of letting your mind and body repeatedly make the wrong choices. The mind and body are not capable of learning from experiences of feeling and emotion, only your soul does that. This is why if mankind ever hopes to resolve the humanitarian problems in this world, the issues having to do with compassion, hate, fear, sympathy, love, etc... we are going to have to develop the ability to learn from what our spiritual consciousness (not physical) teaches us.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 21, 2000.

hey hawk, who,s walsh??your guru? don,t drink the cool-aid.---ah self,self realization. look inside--find the nice person [chuckle] gee,why did GOD say ''ALL MAN,S RIGHTEOUSNESS IS AS FILTHY RAGS'' ref,too mentrual-rags.read it in ISIAAH. FILTHY-RAGS HOMIE.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 21, 2000.

"gee,why did GOD say ''ALL MAN,S RIGHTEOUSNESS IS AS FILTHY RAGS'' ref,too mentrual-rags.read it in ISIAAH."

Read it in ISIAAH? So then it isn't really a question of why God said it, but why ISIAAH said it. My guess is that ISIAAH was trippin big-time, kinda like you.

Here's a better question... Why would an almighty God create beings capable of righteousness, and then condemn them as "filthy rags"? You make it sound like God is has no more control over his actions than humans do, which really isn't suprising since it was humans who wrote the Bible.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 21, 2000.

HAWK, ol pal.i hate to inform you,but GOD never expected us [on our own] to achieve righteousness-the story of the prodigal-son[the robe] put on the wayward son BY GOD.when we accept[bad term.]when we confess jesus is lord--he put,s his righteousness on us[the robe]this is the great deception of religion.[filthy-rags]GOD will only accept HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.& he gives it to those who recieve it. thru CHRIST. SALVATION IS ALL OF GOD--NONE OF MAN.religion hates this.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 22, 2000.

Then why does God allows us to be righteous if he isn't willing to accept it? Are you telling me that the God who created the Universe and everything in it created something he didn't want?

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), May 22, 2000.

HAWK OL PAL,we are all capable of some good stuff,but GOD requires perfect righteousness.all the time.so he imputes it to us who recieve his gift=jesus.we can never be as good as GOD.NOT 24/7 anyone who thinks they can is decieved. remember satans LIE in the garden?he said'if you eat of this fruit--you will become AS GOD. [JOKE] MANY ARE STILL NIBBLING ON WRONG TREE. REMEMBER there was ANOTHER TREE IN THE GARDEN?? THE TREE OF[ETERNAL-LIFE] NON OTHER THAN JESUS. SO WHICH TREE WILL YOU EAT OF?? REMEMBER JESUS SAID,EAT MY FLESH & DRINK MY BLOOD. HE IS ETERNAL-LIFE.---NOT OUR KNOWLEDGE.of good & evil. modern man thinks-he can do it on his own. read this book,read that book=IGNORE THE BOOK. many paths--but only 1 WAY. LIKE KING SOLOMAN SAID--I,VE DONE IT ALL,SEEN IT ALL,TRIED IT ALL & ALL IS VANITY.TOO KNOW THE TRUE GOD IS LIFE ETERNAL.

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), May 22, 2000.

al, you said,

remember satans LIE in the garden?he said'if you eat of this fruit--you will become AS GOD. [JOKE] MANY ARE STILL NIBBLING ON WRONG TREE.

Actually, didn't the SERPENT say to the woman "the moment you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods who know what is good and what is evil"?

He didn't LIE here, as their eyes WERE OPENED, and they saw that they were naked. They got what they asked for.

Where the serpent DID lie was in saying that A & E would not die (as God told them they would) if they ate of the tree. They should, in hindsight, probably not have eaten of the tree, but then I might not be sitting here typing this.

Frank

P.S. Al, if you could go back in time to BEFORE Eve ate the apple, would you kill her to stop her from doing so? After all, since there was no knowledge of Good and Evil, your act wouldn't be viewed as WRONG....

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), May 22, 2000.

A few things to clear up some disagreements here --

Hawk said, "We are All sons of God, no different than Jesus, except that Jesus was a better teacher because he had more experience."

#1: not everybody is a son of God, if we can go by what Jesus Himself said -- from a discussion with the Jews who opposed Him:

"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent Me. Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -- John 8:39-44.

#2: we are not just like Jesus. He claimed deity. "Before Abraham was, I am." -- John 8:58; see Exodus 3:14. "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." -- Luke 10:18. Many times in the four Gospels, people worshipped Jesus; He never told them they shouldn't. Compare that to what Peter did in Acts 10:25-26, and what the angel did in Revelation 22:8-9. They refused to be worshipped.

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Hawk said, "Jesus is NOT going to come back and kick our ass."

Well that's not what He said, in explaining the parable of the tares of the field:

"As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." -- Matthew 13:40-42. This theme runs all through the Bible, but there we have it straight out of His mouth.

And as I posted on another thread, there's a lot of serious scholarship, historical research, and archaeology that tends to confirm the Bible as a reliable historical document; not the deluded fancies of a bunch of "barbarians".

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Hawk said, "My guess is that ISIAAH was trippin big-time."

Well, Isaiah was a prophet of God; those guys made predictions that, so far, have come 100% true. No other 'prophets' even come close. Jesus quoted Isaiah, so evidently Jesus didn't think Isaiah was "trippin". The day He was resurrected, while He was walking along with the two disciples on the road to Emmaus, "beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself." -- Luke 24:27. So if you "diss" Isaiah, or any of the prophets, you might as well "diss" Jesus too.

In His prayer after the Last Supper, the night before the crucifixion, Jesus prayed to God and said, "Thy Word is truth." -- John 17:17. To anyone then living in Israel, "God's Word" meant what we call the Old Testament. So if the Old Testament, including the writings of Isaiah, isn't true, then Jesus was either a liar or an idiot. Plain and simple. Take it or leave it.

God created man with freedom of choice. He did not create sin. But man chose to sin, so there's a problem. Sin is the transgression of God's Law (I John 3:4; Exodus 20:3-17), which means separation from God. It can't exist in the Father's presence. "The wages of sin is death." -- Romans 6:23. Jesus coming to earth in human guise and accepting the penalty for sinful mankind is the answer to the problem; and according to what He Himself said, as well as all His apostles, and the prophets, He's the ONLY answer. But it's not automatic; we have to appropriate what He did on the cross, and what's He's now doing in the temple in heaven as our High Priest (Hebrews 8:1-2, 9:24), for ourselves individually.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), May 22, 2000.

Chicken:

Please post the evidence that ANYTHING in the new testament came directly out of Jesus' mouth. THis literature was written years after he purportedly walked the earth. Here we go again. THERE IS NOTHING IN EVIDENCE THAT JESUS ACTUALLY WROTE OR SAID_IT IS ALL HERESAY BASED ON ORAL TRADITION WHICH BY ITS VERY NATURE DISTORTS THE ORIGINAL MEANING> REMEMBER PLAYING TELEPHONE WHEN YOU WERE A KID?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 22, 2000.

From my mind to your fingers FS. Lotta shouting though. CL isn't a bad egg.

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), May 22, 2000.

FS, you have addressed a very important aspect of the religious writings that most current faith is based on. The scholars have said that the first documented writings of Jesus took place 50 YEARS after his death. 50 YEARS! We take the retention of data for granted in this day and age but even so a certain amount of distortion and confusion would occur if we were to wait a full fifty years before recording an event. How accurate could these writings have been back then? BTW, for unbiased reporting, the church is the last source to be trusted.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), May 22, 2000.

For any offended, I apologize for so much shouting. Never post before finishing the first cup of coffee : ).

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), May 22, 2000.

Beware the oriental undead zombie Jesus and eat not of his flesh lest YE become zombiefied like poor al.Remember,ya gotta shoot the brain.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), May 22, 2000.

Have we evolved from Timebomb 2000 into Woodenstake 2000?

-- flora (***@__._), May 22, 2000.

50 years? So what.

I guess you people have never heard of the Maori tribe.

The have an oral tradition that would make those of us in the Western world run nuts.

Every year, a member of each clan has to get up and repeat their tribal history, which stretches back some 4000 years, orally; without notes. Yet they do it. Because they were trained that way.

Yet you marvel that anything literary could be preserved for 50 years. HAH!

-- Chicken Little (Panic@isover.net), May 23, 2000.

FS,

I might also add, there are WAY more man-years of research supporting the historical accuracy of the New Testament than of any other book that has ever been written in the history of mankind. That is a fact, not an opinion.

People who are way smarter than either you or me have spent their lives researching the very point you raise; the verdict is in, and has been for a long time.

The Bible is a historical document. The proof for the New Testament is well nigh incontrovertible.

Anybody who doubts that just isn't very well-read on the subject, that's all. There are Himalaya mountains upon mountains of evidence. Just nobody wants to hear about it.

Not trying to be ugly about it; just saying what I believe to be the truth. And can back it up too. (Isn't that what we all do/attempt to do here?)

-- Chicken Little (panic@isover.net), May 23, 2000.