I've attempted to play back gc_arkanoid_688940_m35b12.zip but haven't been able to get passed the bad hardware screen. there is a rom version change issue that i luckily had a backup of arkanoid.uc that fixes a checksum and length problem of the old version. So my -verifyroms works on the set i have with the old arkanoid.uc and version m35b12 but it still doesn't get beyond the bad hardware page during playback.

-- Anonymous, May 20, 2000

Answers

As a side note, i lifted the autofire banship on GK's arkatayt 272k recording because analinp 2h gives inconclusive results, as does InpHist.exe I think there is a bug in the frame reading software that both these programs use. This recording does playback with m34b3 and the roms i have.

Also, i analinp2h-ed the 688940 recording and there was nothing detected but InpHist gave inconclusive resutls i.e. ALL bits were 90+% on 1 frame (this does not mean autofire it means the frame reader is not funcioning properly.) if 1 or 2 bits are 50%+ then it's probably autofire but if bit after bit shows this result it's a bug in our checkers... I hope Ben is reading this :)

-- Anonymous, May 20, 2000

I get the same results using m35 final. The recording could be bad or bogus. I say bogus because I've determined that German has used SLOMO on some recordings. If the CPU timing is off, this could create the H/W error. Please note the WR holder (Krogman) has about 1/10 of this score.

-- Anonymous, May 20, 2000

I think I tagged this score for slowdown. Same thing as Pat said--this game is insanely fast and there is no way in hell that Krol could have scored what he did (nor lagavulin, though his must be more recent--I hadn't noticed) I'll admit, I don't think I used Analinp to reach my decision, only common sense (like Gun Dealer). If we could find a way, I would run a slowdown detector on all of Krol's recordings that use trackball, as I've caught him cheating in numerous such games, most notably SnakePit--one which I wasn't about to let slide.

I would recommend his score be zeroed again.

QCN

-- Anonymous, May 21, 2000

I disagree, QT. I just watched the 272k arkatayt recording and it looks very possible to me. When the ball starts moving fast, he often misses it - none of the catches he makes are that special.

-- Anonymous, May 23, 2000

Even in slowdown mode it's hard to control the ball at this speed. Krogman, by chance, happened to bring up the very same issue on the main board about regular Arkanoid recordings, and I sent him a private e-mail about the matter. I won't push for the score's deletion, but I'll certainly admit my hesitancy about accepting it as a valid score, especially considering how many analog games Krol HAS played with slowdown or below reg. speed.

Hope the new beta works out. Great job once again.

Sincerely, QCN

-- Anonymous, May 23, 2000

Krog was refering to the 688k score i think not the 272k score. I reverted it back to 0, because of consensus, but perhaps it should be brought back up to 272k again. zwaxy?

-- Anonymous, May 23, 2000

QT, are there any particular places in the 272k recording that you can point out to me as showing unusually quick reactions, or is it just the whole game?

-- Anonymous, May 24, 2000

arkatayt.inp MOST LIKELY IS USING AUTOFIRE or SLOWDOWN p = 3 f = 4 Bit# frames:on/off Presses BPresses Bursts highVar LowVar Speed% 0 7773/83801 7773 470 52 0.00 0.178 18.8% 1 5489/86085 5489 236 21 0.00 0.257 30.7% 2 6217/85357 6217 285 37 0.00 0.131 14.7% 3 6135/85439 6128 149 20 0.00 0.262 32.1% 4 74738/16836 10792 289 42 0.18 0.162 19.7% 5 74683/16891 10729 250 39 0.17 0.140 22.6% 6 74717/16857 10782 153 33 0.17 0.111 21.8% 7 74831/16743 10678 114 26 0.14 0.100 26.4% 8 73041/18533 11201 472 50 0.16 0.184 18.8% 9 65756/25818 12060 327 42 0.14 0.142 18.2% 10 74599/16975 10791 287 32 0.17 0.164 14.6% 11 65117/26457 12037 273 47 0.15 0.139 17.4% 12 65168/26406 12086 352 52 0.19 0.170 18.7% 13 65121/26453 12068 326 48 0.17 0.172 19.7% 14 65144/26430 12036 255 48 0.16 0.156 18.5% 15 74928/16646 10628 108 25 0.18 0.090 28.0% 16 7769/83805 7769 455 51 0.00 0.161 19.7% 17 5482/86092 5482 237 24 0.00 0.238 30.1% 18 6223/85351 6223 275 34 0.00 0.130 15.7% 19 6167/85407 6167 141 20 0.00 0.233 34.2% 20 15768/75806 10833 269 42 0.14 0.145 19.1% 21 15761/75813 10793 231 34 0.16 0.143 21.2% 22 15738/75836 10735 142 30 0.15 0.162 26.1% 23 15722/75852 10752 111 24 0.11 0.164 27.1% 24 17448/74126 11272 458 51 0.17 0.144 19.7% 25 65654/25920 12045 343 43 0.15 0.131 17.0% 26 15902/75672 10811 289 37 0.16 0.141 16.3% 27 64967/26607 12038 289 49 0.13 0.130 16.8% 28 65047/26527 12082 333 50 0.22 0.183 19.8% 29 65062/26512 12068 331 53 0.20 0.162 18.2% 30 65081/26493 12035 283 57 0.19 0.120 17.7% 31 15617/75957 10699 106 23 0.09 0.169 27.0% 32 7765/83809 7765 462 54 0.00 0.164 19.6% 33 5480/86094 5480 236 23 0.00 0.235 31.0% 34 6223/85351 6223 278 36 0.00 0.126 14.4% 35 6176/85398 6176 148 22 0.00 0.227 31.1% 36 16139/75435 10774 266 41 0.13 0.173 18.7% 37 16155/75419 10770 242 39 0.14 0.156 19.3% 38 16193/75381 10732 142 30 0.11 0.148 27.5% 39 16145/75429 10666 104 22 0.12 0.088 21.8% 40 17811/73763 11209 472 57 0.16 0.154 20.1% 41 25205/66369 12054 323 38 0.14 0.141 21.8% 42 16272/75302 10786 284 37 0.18 0.172 14.3% 43 25898/65676 12039 275 46 0.15 0.130 21.4% 44 25816/65758 12086 312 51 0.17 0.168 19.8% 45 25825/65749 12062 303 51 0.16 0.163 20.7% 46 25871/65703 12031 231 45 0.14 0.171 24.1% 47 16040/75534 10619 104 22 0.08 0.140 21.8% 48 7768/83806 7768 463 56 0.00 0.183 19.5% 49 5476/86098 5476 248 28 0.00 0.212 26.5% 50 6222/85352 6222 287 39 0.00 0.133 16.2% 51 6135/85439 6135 149 23 0.00 0.219 29.7% 52 15970/75604 10796 277 46 0.14 0.171 17.7% 53 16005/75569 10784 256 40 0.15 0.191 20.2% 54 16034/75540 10721 139 30 0.17 0.152 23.6% 55 16020/75554 10717 120 26 0.13 0.147 22.7% 56 17663/73911 11210 470 58 0.19 0.169 19.5% 57 25417/66157 12052 330 40 0.16 0.147 19.7% 58 16118/75456 10783 293 40 0.18 0.155 16.2% 59 26075/65499 12034 278 46 0.13 0.140 20.2% 60 26017/65557 12086 333 56 0.17 0.187 20.2% 61 26043/65531 12076 330 54 0.16 0.165 19.3% 62 26085/65489 12032 257 50 0.14 0.192 23.1% 63 15924/75650 10670 115 25 0.12 0.165 22.5% 64 7768/83806 7768 477 56 0.00 0.177 19.5% 65 5485/86089 5485 243 26 0.00 0.233 28.9% 66 6227/85347 6227 292 36 0.00 0.138 16.0% 67 6105/85469 6105 151 23 0.00 0.254 28.1% 68 15587/75987 10808 293 47 0.14 0.153 17.7% 69 15636/75938 10815 280 46 0.13 0.189 19.8% 70 15614/75960 10780 140 28 0.13 0.125 23.3% 71 15626/75948 10715 130 30 0.11 0.106 25.6% 72 17294/74280 11237 483 57 0.18 0.162 19.4% 73 24906/66668 12058 336 44 0.15 0.148 19.5% 74 15753/75821 10805 305 38 0.15 0.187 15.6% 75 25528/66046 12043 285 48 0.15 0.159 17.6% 76 25483/66091 12088 342 57 0.19 0.212 20.3% 77 25522/66052 12090 360 54 0.19 0.210 18.7% 78 25503/66071 12035 251 47 0.15 0.201 21.1% 79 15531/76043 10663 124 29 0.09 0.108 24.3% 80 7758/83816 7758 458 52 0.00 0.172 19.8% 81 5483/86091 5483 236 23 0.00 0.237 30.6% 82 6228/85346 6228 280 36 0.00 0.145 15.9% 83 6106/85468 6106 158 25 0.00 0.213 27.0% 84 16252/75322 10812 281 43 0.15 0.189 17.9% 85 16235/75339 10790 219 33 0.15 0.162 20.9% 86 16173/75401 10788 133 29 0.10 0.157 22.3% 87 16197/75377 10735 113 22 0.12 0.153 24.1% 88 17889/73685 11244 459 52 0.18 0.183 19.8% 89 25140/66434 12069 349 49 0.13 0.148 17.2% 90 16359/75215 10827 293 38 0.18 0.173 16.0% 91 25765/65809 12058 299 57 0.13 0.135 16.4% 92 25777/65797 12098 319 52 0.17 0.188 19.7% 93 25752/65822 12084 295 51 0.14 0.177 19.6% 94 25699/65875 12055 245 50 0.11 0.134 16.2% 95 16099/75475 10686 112 22 0.11 0.165 23.9% 96 7757/83817 7757 472 53 0.00 0.171 19.6% 97 5496/86078 5496 244 26 0.00 0.212 27.8% 98 6233/85341 6233 288 33 0.00 0.123 15.7% 99 6127/85447 6127 149 22 0.00 0.227 30.1% 100 15842/75732 10816 281 41 0.17 0.180 17.5% 101 15916/75658 10756 244 36 0.16 0.166 20.9% 102 15851/75723 10713 135 30 0.14 0.133 27.9% 103 15806/75768 10660 114 26 0.12 0.128 28.6% 104 17510/74064 11186 481 55 0.18 0.148 20.5% 105 25381/66193 12052 351 45 0.14 0.131 17.5% 106 15985/75589 10797 297 35 0.16 0.145 16.3% 107 26010/65564 12041 276 45 0.13 0.122 18.0% 108 25973/65601 12076 309 46 0.17 0.173 16.9% 109 26038/65536 12065 325 50 0.16 0.159 20.2% 110 25984/65590 12041 265 53 0.11 0.140 21.8% 111 15703/75871 10609 107 24 0.10 0.160 28.5% 112 7768/83806 7768 474 51 0.00 0.178 18.7% 113 5497/86077 5497 242 23 0.00 0.229 26.0% 114 6224/85350 6224 277 31 0.00 0.139 15.5% 115 6120/85454 6120 157 23 0.00 0.239 25.6% 116 15669/75905 10772 307 47 0.14 0.196 20.9% 117 15698/75876 10754 248 35 0.17 0.161 24.0% 118 15704/75870 10660 140 28 0.15 0.166 26.1% 119 15616/75958 10684 114 25 0.14 0.156 22.4% 120 17340/74234 11228 478 52 0.17 0.174 18.3% 121 24822/66752 12056 351 43 0.15 0.157 16.9% 122 15793/75781 10760 286 33 0.18 0.179 15.6% 123 25444/66130 12026 291 48 0.16 0.166 18.0% 124 25424/66150 12083 346 50 0.19 0.230 20.9% 125 25441/66133 12075 324 50 0.18 0.186 22.5% 126 25455/66119 12032 267 50 0.14 0.194 23.5% 127 15492/76082 10611 95 20 0.12 0.147 25.9% p = 10 f = 9 Bit# frames:on/off Presses BPresses Bursts highVar LowVar Speed% 0 7773/83801 7773 7050 124 0.00 1.291 28.0% 1 5489/86085 5489 4312 163 0.00 1.223 27.3% 2 6217/85357 6217 3486 156 0.00 1.070 29.8% 3 6135/85439 6128 2345 134 0.00 0.935 30.0% 4 74738/16836 10792 7636 308 1.42 0.219 23.1% 5 74683/16891 10729 7352 307 1.39 0.219 23.9% 6 74717/16857 10782 7711 321 1.40 0.222 23.6% 7 74831/16743 10678 7551 319 1.39 0.226 23.0% 8 73041/18533 11201 9293 176 1.33 0.166 23.6% 9 65756/25818 12060 11956 51 1.40 0.340 33.3% 10 74599/16975 10791 8157 279 1.36 0.208 23.7% 11 65117/26457 12037 11933 50 1.61 0.386 35.3% 12 65168/26406 12086 12022 50 1.55 0.411 32.2% 13 65121/26453 12068 11974 51 1.54 0.414 31.2% 14 65144/26430 12036 11919 52 1.57 0.406 34.2% 15 74928/16646 10628 7231 321 1.38 0.227 23.1% 16 7769/83805 7769 7052 124 0.00 1.292 28.0% 17 5482/86092 5482 4303 162 0.00 1.229 27.3% 18 6223/85351 6223 3487 155 0.00 1.075 29.8% 19 6167/85407 6167 2304 129 0.00 0.941 30.3% 20 15768/75806 10833 5356 312 0.21 1.136 25.8% 21 15761/75813 10793 4911 299 0.21 1.103 26.1% 22 15738/75836 10735 4636 286 0.20 1.091 27.3% 23 15722/75852 10752 4280 269 0.20 1.058 27.2% 24 17448/74126 11272 9099 192 0.16 1.144 22.7% 25 65654/25920 12045 11904 49 1.41 0.349 32.7% 26 15902/75672 10811 7187 318 0.20 1.194 23.7% 27 64967/26607 12038 11918 50 1.46 0.403 32.0% 28 65047/26527 12082 12020 48 1.63 0.402 32.6% 29 65062/26512 12068 11992 49 1.63 0.414 33.1% 30 65081/26493 12035 11919 50 1.57 0.407 32.6% 31 15617/75957 10699 4146 264 0.21 1.045 27.4% 32 7765/83809 7765 7038 123 0.00 1.290 28.0% 33 5480/86094 5480 4279 160 0.00 1.235 27.2% 34 6223/85351 6223 3493 156 0.00 1.074 29.6% 35 6176/85398 6176 2332 131 0.00 0.955 31.0% 36 16139/75435 10774 5244 301 0.21 1.159 25.5% 37 16155/75419 10770 4896 289 0.21 1.100 26.3% 38 16193/75381 10732 4592 290 0.21 1.096 27.2% 39 16145/75429 10666 4436 294 0.21 1.111 26.9% 40 17811/73763 11209 9035 203 0.16 1.147 23.1% 41 25205/66369 12054 11591 173 0.33 1.058 23.7% 42 16272/75302 10786 6973 314 0.20 1.251 23.8% 43 25898/65676 12039 10542 284 0.38 1.048 25.4% 44 25816/65758 12086 10077 308 0.40 0.968 25.4% 45 25825/65749 12062 9742 325 0.39 1.018 26.6% 46 25871/65703 12031 9567 360 0.40 0.975 27.3% 47 16040/75534 10619 4418 293 0.21 1.118 27.0% 48 7768/83806 7768 7035 123 0.00 1.292 27.8% 49 5476/86098 5476 4272 159 0.00 1.243 27.2% 50 6222/85352 6222 3476 154 0.00 1.031 29.4% 51 6135/85439 6135 2306 129 0.00 0.973 30.7% 52 15970/75604 10796 5247 303 0.20 1.136 25.6% 53 16005/75569 10784 4846 282 0.20 1.140 26.9% 54 16034/75540 10721 4456 280 0.20 1.148 26.6% 55 16020/75554 10717 4457 275 0.21 1.190 26.9% 56 17663/73911 11210 9022 191 0.16 1.223 23.0% 57 25417/66157 12052 11597 170 0.33 1.033 23.7% 58 16118/75456 10783 7187 322 0.19 1.177 23.5% 59 26075/65499 12034 10550 285 0.39 1.051 25.4% 60 26017/65557 12086 10088 317 0.38 1.009 25.5% 61 26043/65531 12076 9732 326 0.39 0.981 26.3% 62 26085/65489 12032 9539 358 0.38 0.960 27.0% 63 15924/75650 10670 4346 267 0.21 1.182 26.9% 64 7768/83806 7768 7023 122 0.00 1.277 28.0% 65 5485/86089 5485 4296 161 0.00 1.263 27.1% 66 6227/85347 6227 3481 155 0.00 1.032 29.7% 67 6105/85469 6105 2307 132 0.00 0.913 30.5% 68 15587/75987 10808 5342 311 0.21 1.141 25.7% 69 15636/75938 10815 4911 289 0.21 1.204 27.0% 70 15614/75960 10780 4801 302 0.20 1.101 27.8% 71 15626/75948 10715 4320 279 0.21 1.088 26.8% 72 17294/74280 11237 9086 200 0.16 1.193 23.0% 73 24906/66668 12058 11584 160 0.32 1.000 23.0% 74 15753/75821 10805 7203 321 0.20 1.219 23.0% 75 25528/66046 12043 10485 276 0.38 0.990 24.6% 76 25483/66091 12088 10151 326 0.39 1.016 25.9% 77 25522/66052 12090 9719 333 0.39 0.990 27.3% 78 25503/66071 12035 9474 357 0.39 0.960 27.7% 79 15531/76043 10663 4224 276 0.21 1.067 27.2% 80 7758/83816 7758 7025 122 0.00 1.301 28.0% 81 5483/86091 5483 4278 159 0.00 1.266 27.3% 82 6228/85346 6228 3488 155 0.00 1.071 29.4% 83 6106/85468 6106 2275 129 0.00 0.911 30.4% 84 16252/75322 10812 5283 302 0.21 1.166 25.6% 85 16235/75339 10790 4941 296 0.21 1.162 26.6% 86 16173/75401 10788 4826 296 0.20 1.149 25.9% 87 16197/75377 10735 4468 285 0.20 1.135 27.1% 88 17889/73685 11244 9209 196 0.15 1.182 22.7% 89 25140/66434 12069 11653 161 0.33 1.011 23.3% 90 16359/75215 10827 7329 319 0.20 1.169 23.1% 91 25765/65809 12058 10514 282 0.38 1.013 24.9% 92 25777/65797 12098 10114 324 0.39 0.991 25.4% 93 25752/65822 12084 9725 332 0.38 0.995 27.1% 94 25699/65875 12055 9624 343 0.38 0.972 27.0% 95 16099/75475 10686 4380 279 0.21 1.115 27.2% 96 7757/83817 7757 7047 123 0.00 1.297 28.2% 97 5496/86078 5496 4276 159 0.00 1.254 27.3% 98 6233/85341 6233 3469 154 0.00 1.072 29.6% 99 6127/85447 6127 2295 131 0.00 0.911 29.7% 100 15842/75732 10816 5456 319 0.20 1.151 25.3% 101 15916/75658 10756 4617 285 0.20 1.149 26.3% 102 15851/75723 10713 4704 295 0.20 1.128 27.4% 103 15806/75768 10660 4086 264 0.20 1.118 27.2% 104 17510/74064 11186 8897 197 0.16 1.191 23.5% 105 25381/66193 12052 11583 170 0.34 1.047 24.4% 106 15985/75589 10797 7062 307 0.19 1.198 23.1% 107 26010/65564 12041 10564 293 0.37 1.035 25.2% 108 25973/65601 12076 10207 332 0.38 0.972 25.4% 109 26038/65536 12065 9618 339 0.40 0.978 27.3% 110 25984/65590 12041 9579 345 0.39 0.969 27.4% 111 15703/75871 10609 4035 261 0.20 1.107 27.0% 112 7768/83806 7768 7043 124 0.00 1.292 28.4% 113 5497/86077 5497 4291 161 0.00 1.213 27.4% 114 6224/85350 6224 3468 154 0.00 1.062 29.7% 115 6120/85454 6120 2307 133 0.00 0.912 29.6% 116 15669/75905 10772 5453 320 0.20 1.127 25.3% 117 15698/75876 10754 4921 291 0.20 1.142 26.9% 118 15704/75870 10660 4471 270 0.21 1.148 27.5% 119 15616/75958 10684 4490 285 0.20 1.112 27.0% 120 17340/74234 11228 9029 202 0.16 1.186 23.4% 121 24822/66752 12056 11584 173 0.33 1.076 24.6% 122 15793/75781 10760 7018 321 0.20 1.226 23.7% 123 25444/66130 12026 10472 293 0.37 1.028 25.4% 124 25424/66150 12083 10219 329 0.38 0.982 25.7% 125 25441/66133 12075 9753 342 0.39 0.979 27.2% 126 25455/66119 12032 9408 348 0.40 0.972 28.1% 127 15492/76082 10611 4338 275 0.21 1.101 27.3%

D:\CHECKZ~1\ARKATAYT.INP MOST LIKELY IS USING AUTOFIRE or SLOWDOWN!!!

This is what I was fed when analyzing this recording. I assumed that it meant Krol had either constantly engaged autofire or was playing at a very low speed. I didn't get any "faulty" information like Chad, but then I'm no expert at reading the above. So I flagged the .inp for autofire.

As to the actual recording, no, there's no evidence in-game of slowing down or autofire (I watched up until level 7). I score zeroed the 600K+ recording when ANALINP said it was autofire/slowdown AND I couldn't get it to playback under the listed version (same problem as Chad). As for the 272K recording, I assumed that it was just more of the same, as it tested positive for Autofire/Slowdown as well.

I have no problems with the 272K score being reinstated, and if I made a bad judgment call somewhere, I'm sorry. I think the evidence above led me to a fair conclusion. But if Chad is right and Anlinp is not reporting correctly on Arkanoid games, then there is a good chance I was mistaken on this score.

Sincerely, Q.T.Quazar

-- Anonymous, May 24, 2000

I've not seen analinp for a while, but last time I looked it was doing statistical analysis on the rate of change of each bit. For analogue games, groups of bits are combined to make up positions - in arkanoid I would guess that 7 or 8 bits are combined to give the horizontal position of the bat. Each pixel the bat moves will toggle on of those bits. Moving the bat smoothly across the screen will result in a very high, very regular rate of bit toggling, which will look very much like autofire. What we need to do is to find out which bit corresponds to the fire button, and only look at the analysis of that one bit... I doubt if analinp knows that it is trying to analyse an analogue game, and I guess that that is why it claims that autofire is probably used. Chad?

-- Anonymous, May 24, 2000

Yeah, I'm aware of some of that.

Chad and BenJos rewrote Analinp (version H), I believe, so that it would detect autofire/slowdown in analog games. You'll have to ask them about the specifics; I believe that this part of the code was mostly BenJos'.

I can send you a copy of the new ANALINP if you want, seeing as how we're both up late. Just send me an e-mail in the next ten or fifteen minutes.

Q.T.Quazar

-- Anonymous, May 24, 2000

this problem with analinp has to do with it not detecting frame sizes correctly, so the bits overlap thus reporting nearly every bit in the wrong framesize as going on and off autofireish... once be fixes this for these wierd inp files they should report reasonable results. i was able to analinp one of gks recordings correctly (ben's code was able to determine the framesize correctly) and did not detect autofire from analinp.

once more for the record, if analinp gives you too much information something is wrong. unless someone is banging on the entire keyboard not more than a few (5 or 6 max) bits will be listed in it's output.

-- Anonymous, May 25, 2000

Has anyone checked this recording recently? I am just wondering if the new InpReader class in the latest analinp now does things correctly.

Meanwhile, I have found that it is possible that my InpReader class will still misdetect frames, but it is very rare. However, I have come up with an even better way of detecting frames, but I need to find some time to implement it.

Also, Chad has suggested to me that we combine analinp and my InpSpeed program. InpSpeed is similar to Mark Longridge's Checker program, but it does not have some of the annoyances of Mark's program, and Mark's program also has one or two bugs. Combining InpSpeed with analinp would not noticeably slow analinp down most probably, but then of course saves time because InpSpeed/Checker does not have to be run separately. What do others think about combining the two?

Sorry I wasn't here earlier. This is my first time on this board. I just caught up reading all the messages. I had simply forgotten all about this board. Good thing I still had Gameboy's e-mail with the password. :-)

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Anonymous, June 14, 2000

Yes, I'd love to have one program that combines both. That would be awesome!!

-- Anonymous, June 15, 2000

OK. After having received the analinp source code from Chad, I added my InpHisto and InpSpeed routines to it. It should hardly slow analinp down, so it basically gives all the extra info "for free". In order not to get a lot of output if you're only interested in autofire detection, I made it so that the InpHisto and InpSpeed functionality is triggered through command line switches. (I take it that Bubble's AnInpFE can handle switches?)

I sent everything back to Chad, so when he's done testing it and is happy with it, he can release it.

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Anonymous, June 22, 2000