Shall we bring in Sega Ninja into the tournament - or shall we bring in Rally X?

I vote Rally X because Sega Ninja is too close to a vertical shooter(gaplus) It would also have a much more variety of games personally.

This is a three day vote - it's done May 15th, 2359 GMT.

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@yahoo.com), May 11, 2000

Answers

I'm going with Sega Ninja. It is not close enough to Gaplus for my liking. I think we are getting a little too general in game desriptions here. Even one on one fighters can play quite differently (although this is probably going a bit too far). eg: Street Fighter II and Samurai Shodown (any of them). SS I find quite difficult to get to grips with unless I have it set to level 1 difficulty...

-- Barry Rodewald (bsr@hn.pl.net), May 11, 2000.

Whew, I thought I was going to have to start busting some heads there for a sec. :)

anyway, everyone knows my stance on this by now, so I'll just finish this post with my vote: Sega Ninja.

-- BBH (lordbbh@aol.com), May 12, 2000.

no more ninjas, it'll be rallyX because of variety of gametypes.

And damn,wrong,wrong,wrong! First why Gaplus? Galaga was in first tournament. It should be 1943 instead Gaplus. Secondly Gunsmoke is not shoot them up like gaplus or 1943. Gunsmoke is it's own genre and should be in. And if Pole is left out because of speed issues, so should streetfucker2 too. That would make Karate Champ into list I think.

We(except couple of guys) don't want to see T3 lottery happen again where we had 3 platform(jump and shoot)games. If a game is static doesn't matter really, on that principle 1943 and galaxian would be different gametypes?

No there should not be 10 days voting extension. We have had enough voting and waiting already.

-- Tommi (tiihoto@hotmail.com), May 12, 2000.

Correct me if i'm wrong but Pole Position is out coz mame 0.36 TG will not make it. Regarding Xenophobe i don't think you can call that a platform game. There's no platform in this game really, & you can probably play without jumping so...

-- Blost (blost@flashmail.com), May 12, 2000.

Sega Ninja is a nice little game but I think that Rallyx is more of a game for me..

My vote goes for Rallyx.

I also agree with Tommi about Gunsmoke.. it is not an ordinary shooter..

Regards

QRS

-- QRS (qrs@telia.com), May 12, 2000.

Forget to say that i'll go for Rally X

-- Blost (blost@flashmail.com), May 12, 2000.

I vote for Rallyx. ( I'm fed up with using my finger on the CTRL key )

-- lagavulin (darre@club-internet.fr), May 12, 2000.

Sega Ninja, nuff said!!! ;-)

-- game guru (gameguru@cableinet.co.uk), May 12, 2000.

Sega Ninja, on principle.

-- Q.T.Quazar (qan@home.com), May 12, 2000.

Hi everyone

This is my first posting here. My vote goes to RALLY X. Why? Because I think it's the best arcade ever. Bye.

-- frankie (frankie@image.dk), May 12, 2000.

Rally X, because of the variety of games

-- MvdV (cypr135@knoware.nl), May 12, 2000.

rally x

-- phil (plamat@club-internet.fr), May 12, 2000.

I vote for Rally-X

Crash.

-- Dean Ryan (crash@tcp.co.uk), May 12, 2000.

Neither one of these games should be in!!!

*** Sega Ninja is a scrolling fighter preceeded by Green Beret

*** Rally-X is a maze game preceeded by Solar Fox

Nothing changes from what I said yesterday. I stand by my original append.

Where I said "Platform Fighter" go ahead and substitute "Scrolling fighter"...

Where I said "Breakout", go ahead and substitute "Ball And Paddle"...

Furthermore I looked up the first 18 games on KLOV. Everything matches to what I said yesterday except for Galpus, Solar Fox and Galaxian. For these three they used the definition Space is too generic and describe them well enough. They are respectively shooter, maze, shooter. No doubt about them.

I agree with most of this but feel that platform AND fighters should be divided up into Static and Scrolling genres. Here are the definitions from KLOV...

The genre is a term that best summarizes a game's overall style of action. The following briefly describe each attribute:

Adventure - A game where the characters must interact with the environment, make decisions on paths to take, and traverse distances and obstacles to reach a destination or goal. Examples: Thayer's Quest and Cadash.

Ball & Paddle - Deflect a ball back and forth around the screen using a single-axis control. Examples include Pong, Breakout, and Arkanoid.

Billiards/Pool - Using a cue stick, aim and shoot a cue ball towards other balls to deflect them into pockets in the sides of the table. Examples: Perfect Billiard, Pocket Gal and Slick Shot.

Fighting - Games dedicated to one-on-one fighting competitions. Examples include Karate Champ, Mortal Kombat, and Street Fighter.

Gambling - Games that pay out money or credits for winning. Labyrinth/Maze - This catagory covers any number of titles where character movement is directed by barriers. The object is typically to collect items, and/or avoid enemy pursuers. Examples: Pac-Man, Make Trax and Wizard Of Wor.

Other - Any type of game not covered by any other genre.

Pinball - Using a pair of flippers, deflect a ball upwards on an inclined playfield containing any number of targets or paths. Examples include Baby Pac-Man, Time Scanner and Video Pinball.

Platform - A game where the primary actions of the players are running and jumping to and from various levels on the screen. The screen can either remain static or scroll in any direction. Examples: Bubble Bobble, Donkey Kong and Super Mario Bros..

Puzzle - Action games where players must complete certain arrangements of objects while competing against the clock or other players. Examples include Ataxx, Tetris, Qix, Mahjong games, and KLAX.

Racing - Pilot a vehicle in competition against other drivers and/or a time clock. Examples: Pole Position, Hydro Thunder, Out Run and Turbo.

Scrolling Fighter - These games follow the action of the players as they progress throughout a variety of levels and stages fighting enemies with their available weaponry. Examples: Contra, Double Dragon, Rush 'N Attack and Section Z. Scrolling Shooter - Games whose primary objective is to pilot a craft over a constantly scrolling terrain or area while shooting on-coming enemies and dodging their return fire. Examples: 1942, Raiden, Twin Eagle and Xevious. Shooter - A wide variety of games whose primary action is firing weaponry as quickly as possible. Examples include Centipede, Crossbow and Operation Wolf. Simulator - A game that immerses the player in the overall action. Typically these games have custom hardware that moves the player as he interacts with his environment. Examples: T-Mek, Galaxy Force, TX-1.

Skill - Games that are more dependent upon planned actions or dexterity rather than brute force or instinct. Examples include Lasso, Rip Cord and Stunt Cycle.

Space - Games that are set exclusively in space. Many challenge the player with compensating for the effects of, or lack of, gravity. Examples include Asteroids, Gravitar and Lunar Lander. Sports - Games that are patterned after various sports related activities. Examples: Quarterback, NBA Jam and Tehkan World Cup.

System - A hardware platform that allows for efficient conversion between several different game titles. These systems usually contain a main processor board that hosts one or more game-specific hardware modules. Examples are Capcom System II, Neo-Geo MVS and Nintendo PlayChoice.

Trivia - Simple question and multiple answer games. Examples include Trivia Whiz, Tic-Tac-Trivia and Trivial Pursuit.

-- Pat (laffaye@ibm.net), May 13, 2000.

Pat, have you taken a couple minutes to actually PLAY Solar Fox? You still say it's a maze game. That's what I thought too, but I can admit that I am wrong. As others have pointed out, a maze game would imply that there are, ya know, walls? Your movement in Solar Fox is limited only by the edges of the screen, and the "whirlwinds" that appear on later levels. The whirlwinds are usually not in a row, so they do not really count as making up a "maze". Also, you are not really being pursued by enemies, as is usually the case with maze games. Your primary enemies are the turrets on all four sides shooting at you. So as it is, Solar Fox is a pretty unique game. With the way the voting is going it looks like I'll be robbed of one of my picks getting in yet again, and while I'd love to see something other than Rally-X I honestly think that Solar Fox and Rally-X are different enough from each other to be included.

Contra as a "scrolling fighter"? Am I the only one that thinks that just sounds wrong?

-- BBH (lordbbh@aol.com), May 13, 2000.

Solar Fox is not a maze game (in the strictest sense of the word, anyway). Contra/Gryzor is not a "scrolling fighter" - wouldn't that mean that it involve punching and kicking of some kind? Or at least hitting someone over the head with the gun? Same thing goes with Section Z as well. There is no way Double Dragon can be compared with either Contra or Section Z.

-- Barry Rodewald (bsr@hn.pl.net), May 13, 2000.

Well it's easy for you guys (BBH and Barry) to claim that Solar Fox is not a maze game. Neither one of you made a suggestion as to what type of game it is!! Selecting "other" is NOT an option. Yes, I did play it for a few minutes. It is clearly a pick-up type game that has a basic 4-way controller. I could argue that since the paths are shown in grey, the walls are there but invisible. Yes, primary enemies shoot rather than follow you, but then again you can shoot, but you wouldn't want to call this game a shooter would you??? If I had to pick a category I still choose maze because it's a pattern type game that involves picking up all objects to complete a level.

-- Pat (laffaye@ibm.net), May 13, 2000.

If it really is a tossup (i.e. both belong to another game in the group?), the highest ranked game comes first, my vote for sega ninja.

-- Chad (churritz@cts.com), May 15, 2000.