"SmartGrowth" is going to make traffic worse. A LOT worse.greenspun.com : LUSENET : I-695 Thirty Dollar License Tab Initiative : One Thread |
I found a great reference to read for those of you who believe that transit will solve the Puget Sound transportation problems. The URL is http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/womens/chap19.pdfThe state of New York interviewed a LARGE number of people in the New York Metropolitan area. This area has a population density that exceeds anything that the Puget Sound region will have in our lifetimes. Even in the Central area which has some of the most frequent and highest capacity transit in the area, more people commute by car than commute by transit (see table 1). And in the suburbs, where their population density is still far higher than the population density in the Puget Sound suburbs and the transit availability is also much more readily available than in our suburbs, the transit share is STILL only about 10%.
What does this mean? It means that the UGMA may well succeed in increasing the density of the urban areas, but it wont increase transit use enough to offset the increase in congestion caused by the increased population.
UGMA advocates need to find somewhere that increased population has lead to decreased traffic congestion, or just acknowledge the fact that SmartGrowth is actually going to make congestion a lot worse.
The Craigster
Center Car Mass Transit Walk/Home N White Men 56.0 31.3 10.6 41222 White Women 46.5 36.3 14.8 34958 Black Men 47.9 45.0 5.9 10995 Black Women 33.5 58.3 6.8 14567 Latino Men 44.7 43.1 10.2 14046 Latina Women 29.5 55.5 13.3 10784 Suburb Car Mass Transit Walk/Home N White Men 84.8 10.2 4.2 102478 White Women 86.9 6.7 5.8 81802 Black Men 79.2 13.2 6.0 4756 Black Women 71.4 18.1 7.7 5675 Latino Men 78.8 11.8 7.1 5633 Latina Women 75.8 13.4 8.9 4317
-- (craigcar@crosswinds.net), April 28, 2000
Again, what would I-711 do for this issue? The GMA isn't an issue here, and I have yet to see any information on how transit would be affected.You know zowie once accused me of trying to dodge an existing issue by starting a new thread. But of course that just our own misguided zowie.
-- Patrick (patrick1142@yahoo.com), April 29, 2000.
"Again, what would I-711 do for this issue? The GMA isn't an issue here, and I have yet to see any information on how transit would be affected. You know zowie once accused me of trying to dodge an existing issue by starting a new thread. But of course that just our own misguided zowie. "What did I dodge? This website isn't devoted to 711. And I hold up my end of discussions, including on 711 on other threads. I'm not dodging anything.
I've posted a NUMBER of threads concerning my belief that transit will never have enough of a market share to decrease congestion, and that SmartGrowth is more likely to make congestion worse than better.
The title of this thread was not in the least misleading, and didn't include anything about 711, so it obviously wasn't deceptive in any way.
If you don't like the topic, Patrick, don't post to it. I'm just exercising my constitutional rights to free speech. While the posting was perhaps not of the quality that Luther posted on the cathedral door at Worms, I didn't think it was all that bad other than the fouled up formating of the table. I did read an HTML book though, and I'm going to try to make it better now.
the craigster
PS: I like zowie. He's alright in his own crude and lewd way.
-- Craig Carson (craigcar@crosswinds.net), May 02, 2000.
Commute Mode for New York Urban Area ResidentsCenter (Downtown Business Area) Car Mass Transit Walk/Home N White Men 56.0 31.3 10.6 41222 White Women 46.5 36.3 14.8 34958 Black Men 47.9 45.0 5.9 10995 Black Women 33.5 58.3 6.8 14567 Latino Men 44.7 43.1 10.2 14046 Latina Women 29.5 55.5 13.3 10784 Suburb (Near Suburbs with direct transit to Downtown Business Area) Car Mass Transit Walk/Home N White Men 84.8 10.2 4.2 102478 White Women 86.9 6.7 5.8 81802 Black Men 79.2 13.2 6.0 4756 Black Women 71.4 18.1 7.7 5675 Latino Men 78.8 11.8 7.1 5633 Latina Women 75.8 13.4 8.9 4317
N= total number surveyed
-- (craigcar@crosswinds.net), May 02, 2000.