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"As the day follows night, so shall this Warning follow soon. Beware of the sunrise! Do not look up to the sky - the flash! Beware of the sunrise! Do not look up to the sky - the flash! Close your windows; draw your shades, remain inside. Do not venture outside your door, or you will not return. Pray! Prostrate yourselves upon your floors! Pray with arms outstretched, and beg for mercy of your God the Father.... "Keep blessed candles, water, blankets, food within your homes. The candles of those who have remained in the state of grace shall not be extinguished, but the candles in the homes of those who have given themselves to satan shall not burn!"

It will take place on or between the eighth and sixteenth of March, April or May on a Thursday at 8:30 p.m.; it will be within a year of the Warning, and Conchita,one of the seers, will be able to announce the date eight days before It occurs; it will take place on the feast day of amartyr of the Eucharist (who is not a Spaniard, and bears a name that is rare to the Spanish,; it will coincide with a great event of the Church; and the local Bishop will get a personal sign before the event and lift the ban on priests going up to the village. Conchita speaks of the Miracle in Garabandal magazine: "It will be visible to all those who are in the village and surrounding mountains; that the sick who are present will be cured and the incredulous will believe. It will be the greatest miracle that Jesus will have performed for the world. There won't be the slightest doubt that it comes from God and that it is for the good of mankind. A sign of the Miracle, which it will be possible to film or televise, will remain forever."

Magnetic storm watches issued for 12th and 13th The Space Environment Center [SEC] and NASA have issued magnetic storm watches for magnetic-A indices of greater than 20 for both April 12 and April 13 2000. These watches are likely in response to a potentially highly effective coronal mass ejection that occurred at 2350 UTC on April 9 2000 ... This CME occurred coincident to an impressive M3 Class flare event. The CME was accompanied by typical radio bursts and sweeps, and an estimated shock wave speed of around 700 km/sec ... which would probably bring the event to Earth's position beginning late on April 11 UTC or early on April 12 UTC. Very little image data is available showing the CME, but the region responsible was extremely impressive in appearance at the time - and more importantly it was in a highly geoeffective position on the solar disk [slightly south of dead center] ... The density of the coronal mass and energy "cloud" will determine the level of effect when it intersects Earth. As we saw last Thursday during the severe magnetic storm, widespread intense aurora effects are certainly possible. The auroral oval is still currently quite active, rated as activity level 7 on the 0-10 scale of potential auroral activity. If it maintains these elevated readings until the new wave of energy arrives, obviously the chances of intense and widespread aurora activity are going to be enhanced. Known effects of strong geomagnetic storming: Widespread intense aurora activity. Truly global auroras [pole to equator from both the north and south poles] are scientifically considered possible if the storm and geomagnetic field conditions were just right. Possible electrical grid failures, electrical device malfunctions. Possible arcing of metallic structures - especially pipelines. Interference or disruption in radio, cell phone, and satellite transmissions. Satellite damage or failure. Global Positioning Satellite "ghosting" - inaccuracies. Theoretical effects of strong geomagnetic storming: Enhanced seismic and volcanic activity Intensified storm system activity - energizing effect Increase in physical health stress on humans and animals Behavioral anomalies in humans and animals

-- Watcher (info@thenet.com), April 12, 2000

Answers

Conchita banana?

-- (nemesis@awol.com), April 12, 2000.

If, indeed "the incredulous will believe" at some time in the near future, that could cause fall off in traffic to this site.

Compared to that, I'd say that such events as:

"Possible electrical grid failures, electrical device malfunctions. Possible arcing of metallic structures - especially pipelines. Interference or disruption in radio, cell phone, and satellite transmissions. Satellite damage or failure. Global Positioning Satellite "ghosting" - inaccuracies"

They all pale into insignificance.

-- E.H. Porter (Just Wondering@About.it), April 12, 2000.


Gee, I wonder if that's 8:30 pm EDT or GMT or what? I'd sure like to know so I can get those blessed candles ready.

-- Jim Cooke (JJCooke@yahoo.com), April 12, 2000.

EH, you remind me of a guy I worked for many years ago.. He was talking on a cell phone to a customer and they had a bad connection.... he apologized to the customer for the bad connection by blameing the wind for blowing the satellites around... I fired him not that long after :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), April 12, 2000.

"A sign of the Miracle, which it will be possible to film or televise, will remain forever."

Do ya think it will be broadcast on the internet too?

Anybody have a projection of how much beer I should stash?

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), April 12, 2000.



Multiply comsumption by expected disruption in JIT.. add ice.... stock accordingly :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), April 12, 2000.

Netghost

Do you give cell phones to all of your custodial crew?

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), April 12, 2000.


Uh, unless Conchita says something about tomorrow...May 11th is the only possible other date. I was planning on testing my little nuclear plutonium fusion rocket that day. Should I put that off, ya think?

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), April 12, 2000.

Oh you fools! I've got tinfoil covering my head now. Save yourselves. Use the tinfoil to protect yourself. Do not wrap your entire body with foil as I did, because when I went to pee, it was an awfull mess. Flee, flee, flee, flee.

-- Richard (Astral-Acres@webtv.net), April 12, 2000.

Hey Netghost, you start off by stating to EH that he reminds you of someone you used to work for. Then at the end of your little story you claim to have fired him. How did that work? Sounds like more of your typical bullshit so whats new. You need to take more time to proof read your lies before posting them here.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), April 12, 2000.


Ra, I take it you've never been promoted over one of your bosses... why should that surprise me :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), April 12, 2000.

Ya, Ra -- Netghost was obviously promoted when he demonstrated his understanding of technology to his boss by pointing out that even when the wind blows the satellites around, they're so far away that this wouldn't affect cell phone reception (Parallax and all that)

LOL!

-- E.H. Porter (Just Wondering@About.it), April 12, 2000.


Jim, you mean all those ordinary candles I have won't work. I have to spencd more money for blessed candles. HEE HEE No Way!!! Never again, will I believe bullshit like that, especially bullshit couched in religious, messianic, idiotic blather.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), April 12, 2000.

gilda -- as I understand the post, you'll only need to shell out the extra bucks for blessed candles if you've previously sold you soul to satan. The post notes "The candles of those who have remained in the state of grace shall not be extinguished, but the candles in the homes of those who have given themselves to satan shall not burn"

So, if you haven't given yourself to satan (or plan to do so at a later date, but have not yet completed the deal), your regular candles should work just fine. In fact, if you light one of your regular candles and is is not extinguished, that is a good sign, state-of-your-soul wise.

On the other hand, if none of your candles work anymore . . . well, I'd say you've got a big problem.

-- E.H. Porter (Just Wondering@About.it), April 12, 2000.


E.H.,

How about Solar Wind blowing satellites around?

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), April 12, 2000.



On the other hand, if none of your candles work anymore . . . well, I'd say you've got a big problem.

Especially if the lighter fluid didn't even help.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), April 12, 2000.


Flash, you really think the wind (solar) can blow a satellite around? That's funny :)

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 12, 2000.

Stop it.... you guys are killin' me over here! Wind blowin' the satellites around...too funny!

Richard,

next time you go for the full tinfoil-wrap, install a Depend. I wuz almost gonna get one o' them there special colstomy bag attachments but I just couldn't find the shoes to match.

Jimmy

-- Jimmy Splinters (inthe@dark.com), April 12, 2000.


Maria,

Actually I was kidding, and also not kidding at the same time.

There is some concern among experts that all of the "stuff" that the sun is throwing at us lately may slow the earth's rotation and throw GPS and other satellites out of position. Some satellites can compensate fot this, but perhaps not all of them. I am not an astrophysics expert, so don't know if the energy that CME's project is part of what is considered solar wind or not. But solar wind (energy) does affect objects in space. I don't know if it is strong enough to affect something that is also affected by the Earth's gravity, magnetic fields, etc. If you know something of these matters, please enlighten us.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), April 12, 2000.


A little background on the "solar breeze".

One of the most vigorous interplanetary disturbances to impact the Earth so far this solar cycle collided with the Earth's magnetosphere near 16:40 UTC on 06 April. The disturbance was preceded by one of the strongest shock fronts yet observed this solar cycle. Solar wind velocities almost instantaneously increased by almost 200 kilometers per second within a minute or two from a background quiet-time value of 380 km/sec to a value exceeding 570 km/sec. The strength of the magnetic fields in space (which originate from the Sun and are dragged outward by the solar wind) also increased dramatically in magnitude by a factor of almost 4 times the normal quiet-time background value.

The sudden increase in solar wind pressure against the Earth's magnetosphere, combined with the favorable southward orientation of the solar wind magnetic fields resulted in increased erosion and compression of the sunward side of the Earth's magnetic field. This has caused the GOES-8 and GOES-10 geosynchronously orbiting spacecraft (and all other geosynchronously orbiting spacecraft near the "noon sector" of the Earth) to pass through the protective barrier that separates the quiet and stable magnetic field of the Earth from the more turbulent and hazardous environment inside what is known as the magnetosheath which is the transition region between the solar wind and the Earth's magnetic field. Passage of spacecraft through these regions can affect satellite health and can make it difficult for satellite operators to maintain spacecraft pointing stability.

The effects of this disturbance are also being strongly felt in the Earth's ionosphere. This is producing heavy degradation in the quality of radio signals that rely on the ionosphere to propagate to distant locations around the world. Communications with spacecraft may also be affected. The disturbed ionosphere can cause spacecraft signals to begin to scintillate, which can affect communications with spacecraft.

Another adverse effect of this storm will be to increase the atmospheric drag on satellites. This effect is expected to begin within the next 3 hours (anytime after about 23:00 UTC on 06 April) and is caused in-part by the heating and expansion of the Earth's upper atmospheric envelope. This increased drag can change the orbital elements of lower orbiting spacecraft, particularly those spacecraft with perigees below about 500 kilometers.

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), April 12, 2000.


Flash, that's a pretty good article on what happens with solar activity. If you have a background in space environment then you won't need any interpretation. The worst damage on the satellite health and status, when passing through this layer, will not affect the satellite's orbit at geo altitudes (about 23k feet); it may affect some circuits and processors on board. However satellite design protects against this.

The increase of drag in the lower orbits is caused by the increase of ions in the atmosphere. That drag will only pull the satellite into an even lower orbit but ground operations can quickly and easily burn some fuel to bump it up again. Believe me no one on the ground using these satellites will notice the change in altitude. This station keeping is done quite frequently to lower orbits. Satellites in this orbit have enough fuel to accommodate drag.

Solar wind isn't wind at all; it's the sun radiation moving along magnetic field lines. It compresses the earth's magnetic lines (obviously on the sun lite side). The dark side of the earth has uncompressed magnetic field lines radiating from pole to pole with the lines near the poles radiating outward. It seems that the sun's lines "pick up and drag" the earth's lines. The increased radiation is released from the sun when it's magnetic lines become twisted (the sun's poles do not rotate at the same speed as it's center). When the lines break, radiation continues to move along those lines outward from the sun, thus causing solar wind. Hope I explained it ok; hard to do without drawings.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 12, 2000.


Flash -- actually, yes. GPS systems require that the orbital position of the satelites sending the signals be known exactly. There are enough external influences in space to require that the position of the satellites be monitored from the ground and corrections to their almanac and emphemris (which contain information on the orbital elements)must be made on occasion.

So, I suppose in one sense of the word, the satellites are just a blowing in the (solar) wind.

-- E.H. Porter (Just Wondering@About.it), April 12, 2000.


Maria, thanks for the explanation. I don't know squat about this subject, but I believe you meant 23k miles (instead of feet).

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), April 12, 2000.

Hi Maria,

Thanks for the interesting scoop. Do you work at Ames or JPL or someplace like that? What exactly is it about the solar wind that actually has a "pushing effect". Is it photons? This is all very interesting, and I'd certainly enjoy more enlightenment. Do I understand right that the effects of the Earth's geomagnetic field far counteract any effects of solar wind? Also, what's the deal about the current concern for the possible slight slowing of the earth's rotation due to the CME impact? If this really happens, is it only temporary?

E.H.

Thanks for your insights, too. The answer must be blowing around up there, too! What you say makes sense, especially about GPS which is so precise. But what about other geosynchronous satellites, such as the TV relays? How accurate do their positions have to be for broadcase signals that must 'lock on'?

-- Flash (flash@flash.hq), April 12, 2000.


The pushing comes from the high energy particles (some are photons). The sun stores enormous amounts of enery, like a nuclear reaction. But these particles are trapped within the magnetic lines. When the lines break (occuring more frequently during solar max), the particles are released, thus creating "wind". The particles travel along the magnetic field lines because of their charge, hence the "Northern lights" at the poles.

No, unfortunately I don't work in the industry. I got a Master's degree in space operations and worked for the DoD in that field for a short period of time. I just find this stuff really interesting.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 13, 2000.


Maria,

I agree that it is fascinating. I'm just an interested ordinary person, and always enjoy learning more about new things. Input from knowledgable forum members is appreciated. I used to live up by AMES and was over there a few times on business. It's a real interesting place.

-- Flash (Flash@flash.hq), April 13, 2000.


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