Freedom & Survival: One, Both, or Neither ? [purpose of this board] : LUSENET : Running on Empty - The Coming Petroleum Exhaustion Dieoff : One Thread

The economics/ecology board is the best for general eco discussions. And Jan Hanson will start an email discussion system for semi-expert, technical issues. The purpose of this board is to discuss the relation of survival to freedom. If 'things are running out' the only way to control dieoff may be massive curtailments of economic, hence political, liberty. Much of the world is already effect living in economic slavery. What will happend to them, and to those who are currently relatively "free" under "eco-fascism" ??

Interested minds invited to discuss!

-- scott (, February 24, 2000


It has been understood since the dawn of civilization that one of the major problems facing all societies is the lust and greed of the masses for material goods. The Ancient Greeks preached moderation in all things, and the Christians preached 'what does it profit a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul", all to no avail. Then the Marxist system appeared and it solved the problem by just not producing consumer goods. But the masses wised up and walked away from it. But now the solution has appeared, a solution that combines the best of the earlier proposals, a solution that the masses will buy into because they know it is good for them. The lust, avarice and greed of the masses will be controlled and the mechanism is almost in place. It is called protecting the environment. Once fully implimented, the masses will no longer pollute Yosemite with their presence. They will be staying to home in their little apartments next to their place of labor, their recreation taking place in the little park down the street. And each day they will thank their government for having saved them from sin because they will have been convinced of it. And the great National Parks, Forests and Seashores will be available to those who truly understand the subtle nuances of nature. And none of those will be from the masses.

-- Richard C. Trochlil (, March 05, 2000.

Ha ha! Richard, I liked your comments... ouch! The truth hurts. Have you read Ira Levin's under-appreciated future dystopia This Perfect Day?

-- scott (, March 05, 2000.

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