The RC Church's ecumenical partner, the NCC

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From today's National Review Online:

"The NCC [National Council of Churches] issued a statement on January 4 noting that it had sent a mission to Cuba "to discover ways to return Elian Gonzalez to his father and family in Cuba." Joan Brown Campbell, representing the NCC, issued a statement that quoted Elian's father as saying, "I should be in charge of my child's education, where he goes to school, and what kind of schooling he receives." That sounds like a strong argument. But in May of last year the NCC also publicly called for resistance to "the siren song of school vouchers" and urged greater state control over charter schools. The NCC seems to stand foursquare for a parent's right to be in charge of a child's education, unless that child lives in the United States. (Ignore for a moment that a father cannot really be "in charge" of his own child's education in Cuba, where children are forcibly indoctrinated in Communist dogma.)"

-- Steve Jackson (SteveJ100@hotmail.com), February 24, 2000

Answers

The list below is from the National Council of Churches' Internet site. Note that the Catholic Church is not a member. Note also that the number of Americans who are tied to the NCC's member bodies exceed 50 million. Catholics who are orthodox, from the pope down to the little-man-in-the-pew, are well aware of the tremendous errors (especially linked to liberal politics) being pushed by many NCC member bodies. But those errors are no reason for the Catholic Church to shun 50 million people, as though they were sub-human.

We all want those 50 million to undergo a conversion away from their left-leaning confusion. But such a conversion will never take place unless the Catholic Church is friendly toward the NCC, extremely slowly but surely influencing it in the right direction -- while not herself being wrongly influenced by it.

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The 35 Protestant, Orthodox and Anglican member communions (denominations) of the National Council of Churches have a total of 52 million members in the United States.
African Methodist Episcopal Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
American Baptist Churches in the USA
The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America
Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
Church of the Brethren
The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
The Episcopal Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Friends United Meeting
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North and South America
Hungarian Reformed Church in America
International Council of Community Churches
Korean Presbyterian Church in America
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
Mar Thoma Church
National Baptist Convention of America
National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
Orthodox Church in America
Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
Polish National Catholic Church of America
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
Reformed Church in America
Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
The Swedenborgian Church
Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
United Church of Christ
The United Methodist Church


-- J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil), February 24, 2000.

"But those errors are no reason for the Catholic Church to shun 50 million people, as though they were sub-human."

Why does failing to take part in ecumenical meetings with apostates amount to treating the people "as though they were sub-human"? What you said is truly moronic. Please read what I have written on this site.

"Note also that the number of Americans who are tied to the NCC's member bodies exceed 50 million."

>>> Most of these people are probably very nominal believers.

"We all want those 50 million to undergo a conversion away from their left-leaning confusion. But such a conversion will never take place unless the Catholic Church is friendly toward the NCC, extremely slowly but surely influencing it in the right direction -- while not herself being wrongly influenced by it."

>>>> The RC church has been involved in ecumenical dialogue with apostate organizations like the WCC and the NCC for at least 30 years. Has this encouraged these people to repent? From what I can tell, they only get more liberal. In fact, the catholic church has become ever more liberal, too. So it appears that the influence is only one way.

-- Steve Jackson (SteveJ100@hotmail.com), February 24, 2000.


From Steve: "Why does failing to take part in ecumenical meetings with apostates amount to treating the people 'as though they were sub-human'? What you said is truly moronic. Please read what I have written on this site."

Steve, even before I responded, I was familiar with your unfortunate and deeply flawed point of view. I did not post my message to change your mind (since, at this moment in history, your mind is closed). I placed it for the benefit of others who come to this site, lest they think that your opening salvo may hold any water.
Thank you for calling my comment "moronic." I gladly accept your unmerited insult for having tried to give a genuinely Christian response which, I hope, pleased Our Lord.

Also from Steve: "The RC [sic] church has been involved in ecumenical dialogue with apostate organizations like the WCC and the NCC for at least 30 years. Has this encouraged these people to repent? From what I can tell, they only get more liberal. In fact, the catholic [sic] church has become ever more liberal, too. So it appears that the influence is only one way."

None of us has any way of knowing how many individuals among the NCC denominations have "repented" or drawn closer to orthodox Christianity through the 35 years of ecumenism by the Vatican. It could be zero or hundreds or thousands or millions. Your ignorance of the number should motivate you to be silent on the subject. It is impossible for the Catholic Church to "become ever more liberal." You are using this political (not religious) term to refer to a certain form of "heterodoxy." But the Catholic Church, by its very definition, is "orthodox" (right-teaching) and is thus incapable of "heterodoxy/liberalism/conservatism."

May the Holy Spirit guide you.
JFG

-- J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil), February 25, 2000.

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