There are no answers.

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), February 21, 2000

Answers

My friends that fly a lot highly recommend flying on an MD80 right now. Their theory is that: (1) they've been inspected to within an inch of their lives, and (2) if anything at all seems even mildly unusual, the pilot will either not take off or land immediately.

-- E.H. Porter (just@wondering.about it), February 21, 2000.

Sheri:

The answer is people who work in many places. See my answer at:

Who?

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 21, 2000.

Same Sheeple who have quick access to alternative information, vice tv and news papers, yet won't/don't spend the time to question. http://www.dorway.com./ http://www.sightings.com/health3/dcoke.htm http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Oqo http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-aids/posts/xy/1999.asp http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/proced.html http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Knl

-- Info Hog (g@thering.com), February 21, 2000.

Infohog:

No offense intended, but if you want people to read this stuff, either learn to hot link or format ;o).

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 21, 2000.

You've heard of the Stepford Wives? Now it is Stepford Couples.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 21, 2000.

Z, Thank you for your kind response. At work I have N.T, which is easy to hot hink, here at home, I am on Windows 98, and I cannot figure it out. Maybe because I am not computer inclined. Just like I don't care why or how my car starts tomorrow, I just want it to start. Some others have offered suggestions which left me behind, because of their complexity. If you know how, and if you will be so kind, as to explain it to me, starting from "duh", hit the return key, I will Thank You, forever. Now, if I can only remember my last handle.

-- Info Hog (rese@rch.com), February 21, 2000.

E.H.,

"they've been inspected to within an inch of their lives"

Do your friends actually believe that?

I think there is your answer Sheri. People who believe what the boob-tube tells them are dumb enough to fly without needing to know any more. Yes, sheeple.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 21, 2000.

99.9% of the people have no idea that there may be something wrong with the MD-80 now, after all the inspections. The evening news, natch, has onlyu reported on Flight 261. The other emergency landings have been reported almost exclusively in local papers or on the net, and collected and assembled here. In fact, with all the "incidetns" mthere ahs still been only one crash, and the flight record of th MD-80 is probably one of the best .....

-- Squirrel Hunter (nuts@upina.cellrelaytower), February 21, 2000.

While I agree with you guys about the MD80's being dangerous, I think the media is reporting that they have had lots o'problems of late. I hear this morning on CBS that there was yet ANOTHER ermergency landing of an MD80. It seems like I hear that almost every morning.

-- ,-, (comma@dash.comma), February 21, 2000.

Hawk, you are the most meanest Dog with a Bone, that I have seen for a while. Last since, I had the bone in my mouth over a work project. You Go Guy!!

-- Info Hog (Rese@rch.com), February 21, 2000.

Squirrel Hunter said The evening news, natch, has onlyu reported on Flight 261. The other emergency landings have been reported almost exclusively in local papers or on the net, and collected and assembled here. Here's some thing to think about. If the crash of AS261 had not occurred, would all of the other MD-80 incidents be tracked on this forum the way they have been over the last 3 weeks?

-- Mikey2k (mikey2k@he.wont.eat.it), February 21, 2000.

Info Hog,

to learn how to make a hotlink; when you see a hotlink on a thread, click on the "view" menu, then select "view source". This will show you the code behind the current page you're viewing and will show you how to make a hotlink and other HTML tags that might be of interest to you.

Or simply try and practice putting your links within this code:

<>SUBJECT OF THE LINK HERE<>

(hope this works and helps)

-- Chris (@#!#$@.pond.com), February 22, 2000.

WHat in the Hell is an MD80?

I don't own a TeeVee, and I don't get involved in with work folks much about non-work related stuff. I take it it is a kind of plane; what kind? Lika a DC-10, 747, 737, or something? Bigger? Smaller? Maybe I'm wrong about the plane idea; is it a boat?

Thanks.

Justa Jizzmopper

-- Cleaning (stainedglass@thepeepshow.com), February 22, 2000.

ewww! sorry it didn't work.

arghh...nothing more frustrating than teaching HTML on a browser ;-)

I'll try to find the "HTML 101" thread for you.

-- Chris (@#!#$@.pond.com), February 22, 2000.

Mikey, this is the only place where they are all reported. The various news channels report the various crashes, (whew)safe landings, wing clippings, etc. But, they don't focus on the problems that are occurring. 'Just an isolated incident'. And I don't give a damn what anyone says....I have tracked news for years and there have never been this many incidents when all I had was TV news and not TB. I have seen more plane incidents in last few weeks than in all previous years put together.

In fact, prior to this year, any incident of any kind of airline mishap would have been reported and reported and reported. Not now, they do the obligatory spot and it is gone. They ran JFK jr into the ground but not those 88(?) people who died. Old news. All the other crashes this year....old news....Inspections done..old news....next plane crash.....we'll show a clip...tomorrow...old news

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 22, 2000.

There are so many aircraft incidents ocurring that I now routinely double check to make sure the one I just found wasn't the one I saw here or posted myself earlier in the day. All too often, the ones I find are new..I Have never seen this many aircraft incidents (especially with a single aircraft) and I ran a newsroom with all the wire services for years.

-- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress@aol.com), February 22, 2000.

But the question is: Would this forum focus on all these MD-80 incidents if AS261 had NOT crashed? Are you really, really sure that it would?

-- Mikey2k (mikey2k@he.wont.eat.it), February 22, 2000.

FOCUS? Mikey, you seem too nice to be a troll. The point is: prior to this year any little mishap would be focused on by all media outlets. I remember, buddy. Now it is old news as soon as it happens. Planes crashing left and right; oh! who will father Madonna's next bastard? What planet are you on?

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 22, 2000.

canthappen, While I agree with you that the MD80 is a serious problem, I disagree with you that the media has only become irresponsable in the last year. It seemed like they ignored y2k all of last year.

-- ,-, (comma@dash.comma), February 22, 2000.

The answer to your question is that most rational people would not have a problem getting on an aircraft that has such a great safety record.

Your chances of dying on a plane are about 1 in 10,000,000. Compare that to driving, smoking, drinking, having an operation, sking, cleaning the leaves out of your gutters are all way above any risk of dieing on a plane.

How many commercial pilots in the United States have died in the last 10 years? Maybe 15 or so. How many Firefighters died in the same period? 10,000 maybe.

You're statistically safer flying coast to coast 24 hours a day than just living in the city and crossing the street everyday.

The comparison that I like the best is one comparing birth control pills and birthing. Womenn were scaried silly when they discovered that some pills would DOUBLE their risk of cancer (from one in 10,000 to one in 5000. However, giving birth causes death in about 1 in 500 patients, making it 10 TIMES more dangerous.

Life is a risk and it always ends in death.

-- ElCoyote (ElCoyote@Wasteland.com), February 22, 2000.

who wants to not take off or land immediately?

-- sir richard (richard.dale@unum.co.uk), February 22, 2000.

Who would get on an MD-80 series? I would. I did twice on Saturday. I'm a Delta frequent flyer (among other airlines), and I've flown on just about every medium- to large-size model of domestically built airliner there is, even the brand-new Boeing 777.

At any rate, I had to hand-carry some legal documents for my company, so I flew from Atlanta to Greensboro, NC and back. Nothing fancy; I just flew up, handed off the documents in exchange for a signature, and then turned around and got back on the plane.

If anyone cares to go to www.delta-air.com and check out flights 1622 (ATL-GSO) and 1793 (GSO-ATL), you'll notice that they are listed as "M80" aircraft. I believe that Delta flies MD-80s and MD-88s, but I don't know what specific model I was on. Flight 1622 and 1793 are the same plane; they just turn it around at the gate in Greensboro and send it back the way it came.

For the person who was asking, MD-80 series aircraft are medium-sized regional birds, with two engines on the rear of the fuselage. They're similar to DC-9s and the new Boeing 717s. I've flown on them quite a bit over the years in all kinds of weather and never experienced any problems other than weather delays and lost luggage.

I daresay I've flown more than some posters on here, and I'm no sheeple. I believed Delta when they told me the plane was safe. Perhaps you believed Gary North when he said civilization would collapse. Well, from where I'm sitting, Delta has more credibility than Gary North. You can believe who you want. Me, I've got another plane to catch.

-- Frequent Flyer (ticketholder@in.the.air.org), February 22, 2000.

"Most dumbo-Doomers get no closer to an aircraft than looking at them through the door in their trailer as they inspect for chemtrails. Clearly, flying is safe - given the amount of inspections MD-80s have received, the intelligent flier would have no compunction about getting on one. Not surprisingly, Doomers and Tinfoils want to get back into bed and pull the covers over their collective pointy heads."

Now look here...before they started spraying those Chemtrails..My head was perfectly oval! OVAL I SAY! and I wasn't part of a collective, but resistance was futile.

I'm sure just as many doomers fly as your average Joe, we are just more aware of the flaming horrors that "could" await us. Which makes us braver than the average Joe, right? I pretend that anyhow. :-)

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), February 22, 2000.

Actually getting back in bed and trying to not notice isn't safe either, I have seen some posts of lated where the airliners are dumping their holding tanks over the land. Your trailer can be bombarded with you know what from heaven.

-- Notforlong (Fsur@aol.com), February 22, 2000.

Z, you still tuned? No mention made of those most controversial cut @ pastes I posted. See, there are many smart sheeple, not to say the links are fact, but interesting to note, they were ignored or immediately dismissed. Oh well, we all have our own path.

-- Info Hog (Rese@rch.com), February 22, 2000.

Info:

I've been on 10 MD-80 series planes this month. None of them crashed ;o). When you have been flying since DC-3's, you get worried by jinxes and don't talk about this stuff. Hope you understand!!

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 22, 2000.

Kind of like the old Chinese custom ( it was Southern too) about not bragging on anything, lest an evil spirit visit? I asked one 80's aircraft programmer, was he worried, first he said no. Then I asked him to really think.. He slowly said " Well, there might be a problem with the landing gear and the infrared". This was his small piece of the pie. Since I had almost no knowledge, I was dependent upon the kindness of (almost) strangers for further knowledge. But sometimes, the broad side of the brush is placed upon the canvas. Do you have the sky high gasoline prices that I have witnessed in my arena? Up 20 cents a gallon. Speed to You.

-- Info Hog (rese@rch.com), February 22, 2000.