I'm trying to see if I can get an image to upload to this site. If it works, enjoy the image. This thing's driving me crazy.

http://www.photoworkshop.com/members/billst/Sarah1.jpg

-- Bill Stengel (Canis61@AOL.com), February 16, 2000

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Very nice Bill. You guys make me jealous with the professional quality of your light. Who is she?

-- shawn gibson (SeeInsideForever@yahoo.com), February 16, 2000.

Great light. Great composition. Great kid.

-- Jeff Polaski (polaski@acm.org), February 16, 2000.

Bill,

you can't upload images to the Lusenet forums instead you have to refer to them in html to do this you would type:
<img src="http://www.photoworkshop.com/members/billst/Sarah1.jpg" width="497" height="393">

since you are probably reading this in email rather than html you are probably seeing a lot of gibberish and ampersands so I will put another example here that you can read more easily but it will not be your image which is, by the way, a lovely image which you should post.

Notice that it begins and ends with the angle brackets After the src= you put the URL where the picture is located and use quotation marks the height= & width= are used so that the browser will draw a box the size of the picture and then print all of the text on the page while the image is downloaded. This makes everything seem to go faster and is a polite thing to do. You also might want to use a tad more jpeg compression on the image, 200k is a big file. Don't forget to close it off with an angle bracket.

Now you should be able to "post" your images. Remember, they are stored on your server when you remove them from there, people will no longer be able to view them.

See Shawn, I am even aware of what forum I am in and didn't post a picture of a chicken!

-- grant groberg (grant@emeraldp.com), February 16, 2000.

Thanks all. She's a "client"'s daughter- wanted portraits done. I told her come back in 14 yrs.:^) She can steady my walker for me.

Thanks Grant for the advice. I've printed it to try later........but do you mean that I would actually be REMOVING the image from that other site, leaving nothing back there?

Bill

-- Bill Stengel (canis61@AOL.com), February 16, 2000.

No Bill, you would leave the image where it is on your server. you are just pointing to it. When a persons browser sees the "<img" it's exclaims "aha! there is going to be a picture here next!" The "src=...." tells the browser where on the internet to find the picture, which would be right where you have it now. If you removed the picture, peoples browsers would find nothing and go away sad.

See, the file of the image and the page that it is being displayed on don't have to be on the same physical computer. It is easier to keep track of that way, but the browsers don't know and don't care.

The height and width tags are really important for politeness sake. Look at any of Phillips pages, which can be quite long and have lots of pictures. The text shows up quickly and there are boxes where the images go. The images fill the boxes as they download. If they didn't have the size tags, some browsers wouldn't render the page until all of the images loaded, others would re-write the page every time another image was completes and re-flow the text around them making it quite difficult to keep track of where you were reading.

-- grant groberg (grant@emeraldp.com), February 16, 2000.

There are more details on uploading images at http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002 Uu3.

Bill's very nice picture is included below for the lazy among us:

I agree: it is a very nice picture. I like the way the depth of field is enough to cover her face but shallow enough to keep the elbow out of focus.

Only concern is that on my monitor at least the highligh on the left face is completely burned in: there is no detail.

Good one, Bill!

-- Allan Engelhardt (allane@cybaea.com), February 16, 2000.

"elbow" should be "hand" :-(

-- Allan Engelhardt (allane@cybaea.com), February 16, 2000.

Thanks. The left side of her face is a little "hot" on my monitor too. Not so the print. Shoulda toned it down in PS first.

Appreciate your posting it for me. Next time, I've got your instructs. here.

Thanks again.

-- Bill Stengel (Canis61@AOL.com), February 16, 2000.

trying again............

-- Bill Stengel (Canis61@AOL.com), February 16, 2000.

Grant...........THANKS LOADS!!!!! It worked, as you can see. I'm gettin' to like this stuff!

-- Bill Stengel (Canis61@AOL.com), February 16, 2000.

You made it! Well done.

Again: The highlights are very white, at least on my monitor. But she's a lovely model and it is a nice picture. Like the way the hair is arranged.

Maybe add a flash behind her pointing forward to give some light to her lovely hair - a sort of halo effect, but not too much!? Just a thought: it's a really nice pic.

-- Allan Engelhardt (allane@cybaea.com), February 16, 2000.

Forgot to say: I think there is too much of her shirt in the picture. It really isn't interesting enough to warrant that much real estate.

Try a pretty dress or bare shoulders, perhaps with the other hand there (or something...) to add interest.

Just my thoughts. Good effort, nice shot, a picture to enjoy, I'm sure.

-- Allan Engelhardt (allane@cybaea.com), February 16, 2000.

Agree: coming in tight to use her amazing hair as a framing device would be very effective (just try it on the monitor).

Disagree: don't use a hair light, too cliche'.

In addition, lighting the background with a gradient from dark at left to midtone at right would really make her stand out better without resorting to the trite (I hate 'em) vignette burn on the corners. And as a last observation (too much?) slightly less fill light might suit her expression better and at least reduce the second catchlight to a less prominent intrusion. (sometimes I over analyze, it's really a fine portrait)... t

-- tom meyer (twm@mindspring.com), February 17, 2000.

Thanks for all the input. Every suggestion is taken seriously. It's how I learn.

I'm working with only a 400w/s Novatron power pack and a single bare tube head (with soft box) at full power to give me 5.6 with Tech Pan rated at 10. Hope to get more power soon so I can begin lighting the background. So many things to do, so little time.

Bill

-- Bill Stengel (Canis61@AOL.com), February 18, 2000.

Shawn, what can you tell Mr. Stengel about tech pan?... t

-- tom meyer (twm@mindspring.com), February 18, 2000.

Really, only that I think he's got it down pretty good as my eyes see it. I'm glad you're rating it at 10 ISO, I think TP is definitely nothing more than a 25 ISO emulsion--now that I have EF, I'm gonna be rating it at 6 and underdeveloping it a little. And I would rate it at 6 with any minus-red filtration (which it kinda seems you might be applying, cuz your skin tones look quite different from what I get with TP--but I develop in PMK. What do you develop in Bill? Technidol would be my guess...I've been thinking of buying some of that stuff for a few rolls. TP gets a little...gritty...with PMK unless the development is really spot on).

-- shawn gibson (SeeInsideForever@yahoo.com), February 18, 2000.

Geez, I was hopin' you'd tell him if he's only got 400ws he should Stop Using It!

What's wrong with a really high speed film like Agfapan 25! He'd get over a whole stop to play with! and I hear they make a super fast asa 100 film too (if you guys can stand the grain!).

Really, now I use Polaroid 665 alot (asa 64 or 80) but I've got 2000ws (and I always want more) I can't imagine using an asa 10 with only 400 ws (and two heads?...whew!)... I don't know, maybe I'll try it and see... ever use a red filter with it? let's see that'd be asa 2, right? (apologies for overall tone, again)... t

-- tom meyer (twm@minspring.com), February 19, 2000.

I used to religiously use a 23A filter with TP 'cause "they" said I was supposed to until I forgot to slide the filter in one day and shot away at EI10. Realized it and underdeveloped 30%, praying. It's what I do now. FINALLY got those stark contrasts under control. Nice mistake I think. Technidol. I wish they sold it in bulk, gets expensive.

Ah........superfast 100! I use TMax100 to 400 alot. But the actual printed skin tones the TP gives me are unique.

Time to power up, Scotty!

-- Bill Stengel (Canis61@AOL.com), February 19, 2000.