Wake the hell up, Doomers. You've been led down a primrose path.

The only bona fide disaster that occurred in the U.S of A. in the year 1999, I lived right dead in the middle of it. Something called Hurricane Floyd, and the 500+-year flood that followed. Total devastation in some areas, within 2 miles of where I live. I saw this thing go on, front and center. Right where I live. People I grew up with, died. No fun at all.

But we made it through, under MUCH worse conditions than anything Y2k could ever produce, or anything Y2k will EVER produce in the future. Period. Paragraph. End of story.

Why you people are still worried over something that hasn't happened; over something that never will happen according to your predictions: see your local mental health professional. It's not like real-world proof hasn't been waved in your faces. It's been waved in mine.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), February 16, 2000

Answers

Well, I haven't suffered a tragedy like you described. If I did, I doubt I would be wasting time here talking to losers like me. So, can you tell me why you are doing it? TROLL

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 16, 2000.

Andy/Shakey clone, whomever...

Haven't posted here in several weeks.

Posted that because I felt like it.

Any more stupid questions?

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), February 16, 2000.

More people died in an airplane in a few seconds than those who died from Hurricane Floyd over several days. Weather is beyond our control, you'll just have to get used to it. Y2K problems on the other hand were created by man, and whether or not more people die as a result of our actions is entirely dependent upon us. Intentional denial and negligence might be the easiest thing to do, but is not the most humane thing to do.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 16, 2000.

yes, chicken, Question #I: why are you so bored and stupid?

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 16, 2000.

Hawk,

You prove yourself to be nothing more than a young idiot again.

"Weather is beyond our control, you'll just have to get used to it." I reckon I was used to weather before you were born, little guy. Who in the world do you think you are.

Whatever level, you'd best take it down a few notches. to keep it in line with reality.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), February 16, 2000.

Having also suvived a natural disaster and being old and wise, I can only pray that Chicken Little is sufficiently prepared in the event of another disaster, natural or man-made. I live in a state that is currently experiencing a drought and the river for water in the capital city has been poisened (supposedly industry related but no one can prove yet. hmmm) Wells are drying up in the mostly rural areas of the state.

If you read the wires daily and this forum is great for keeping up with breaking news, you will have noticed, as I, that since the first of the year, world events are happening at an extraordinarily fast pace, daily, hourly, natural and man-made.

Perhaps y2k didn't happen as we expected because so many firearms were purchased in the month of December in the midst of their attempts to "prepare our psyches" for disarmament? And that report was based on those purchased legally. Why didn't all "those bad guy militias" react as we were lead to believe in Project Megiddo?

-- turkeylurkey (lurker@lurker.com), February 16, 2000.

Chicken Littlebrain:

Look at the OT postings. We're discussing a lot of other things. Like you don't think rising oil prices may affect you?

-- haha (haha@haha.com), February 16, 2000.

Look at the OT postings. We're discussing a lot of other things. Like you don't think rising oil prices may affect you?

Rising oil prices are not off topic. They are being caused by Y2K problems.

-- (hal@gostek.org), February 16, 2000.

Oh, in Chicken Little's world everything is roses and champagne. Nothing bad ever happens. Oil prices don't increase becasue of y2k. Sewage Treatment Plants don't blow up because of y2k. Blackouts don't occur in major cities for weeks on end because of y2k. Banks don't lose all of your money because of y2k. the Republicans don't win an election because of y2k. Methinks he lives in a fairy little dreamworld. I only have three words for him PRICE OF GAS. Come on now, cheer him along as he does a DOPE SLAP UPSIDE HIS FOREHEAD. Not too bright Chicken Little, Not too bright.

-- ,-, (comma@dash.comma), February 16, 2000.

chicken little,

think OIL .. think HYPERINFLATION. if you havent noticed whats going on, and whats ABOUT to happen to oil/gasoline pricing, you should be spending your time elsewhere.

its absolutely incredible so many people havent seen the links between y2k and oil refinery problems. but regardless, its happening right before our eyes if we have them open.

and even if you DONT believe the 2 are connected - and thats ok - the fact is, we're probably about to see inflation on a scale that hasnt been imagined in this country. which makes all the preps people have been making for y2k worth it.

so, cut the crap about 'doomers'. this is about reality pal. and we're all about to get a good dose of it real soon.

-- lou (lanny1@ix.netcom.com), February 16, 2000.

comma slash comma perhaps you need to read the posts above yours. CL HAS had bad things to deal with. Because he and you and I disagree about the APPARENT effects of Y2K does NOT give you carte blanche to miss lead any OTHER readers of the forum.

CL nice to see you are still alive and kicking after the ice and snow down there. Once it dries out I suspect you'll be raising a bit more dust! ;-)

Chuck

besides, I'm not so sure that, excluding OIL he's all that wrong. [unkinks somewhat twisted arm ;-)]

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), February 16, 2000.

And besides, Comma etc.:

Care to point out where any of these, from your post HAVE happened:

Blackouts don't occur in major cities for weeks on end because of y2k. Banks don't lose all of your money because of y2k. the Republicans don't win an election because of y2k.

I must have missed them.

Chuck, who STILL doesn't think his Doombrood (TM) card is in any jeopardy.

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), February 16, 2000.

One thing we can't allow a chicken to do is give us any lip. :-)

Y2K Post-mortem:

WHAT LIES AHEAD

one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the price of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

-- Philippians 3:13, 14


The Sunday after New Years Susan and I enjoyed supper with Michael Hyatt (The Millennium Bug How to Survive the Coming Chaos and The Y2K Personal Survival Guide) & Karen Anderson (Y2K for Women and Dear Karen [internet newsletter]) and their families. Needless to say, everyone was in a somewhat contemplative mood. Karen jokingly suggested we form a new 12-step program, Fearmongers Anonymous. Both Michael and Karen had received some hate e-mail whining about Y2Ks failure to erase Western Civilisation. Both Michael and Karen politely declined when I volunteered to answer those e-mails for them.

Now the post-game geniuses are, like roaches, crawling out of the woodwork everywhere. And chickens as well. With perfect hindsight they revile people like Gary North, Mike Hyatt, & Jim Lord whose shoelaces they arent tall enough to reach, let alone untie.

"Squawk! You deceived people! You made them waste a lot of money! You damaged your credibility! Squawk!"

SO WHERES THE FAT LADY?

Maybe the squawkers are a mite previous. First they ought to ask, "Has the Y2K threat passed?" Even Clintons Y2K Czar, John Koskinen, says it will be March before we know what were dealing with. Y2K errors can pile up unseen, then erupt into ruinous smash-ups. A recent letter from the International Electronic & Electrical Engineers, the oldest and most prestigious engineers group in the world, warned that Y2K could take as long as seven years to fix. Not only has the fat lady so far failed to sing, she hasnt even showed up on the stage.

WASTE OR WARNING?

Its cheap chin boogie to lament in hindsight that all the money spent remediating Y2K was wasted. First, all that money bought new, cleansed software, which should improve productivity. No loss there, just spending before expected. More importantly, who knows how the Y2K warners affected the outcome? Did the doomsayers actually prevent a Y2K calamity by spurring government & business to act? To conclude that all the money spent on Y2K remediation was wasted assumes that most of the corporate executives in the US are morons. You may not like corporate types, but statistically not that many of them could be morons. It would violate the bell curve, even for bureaucrats.

WHO WAS HURT?

What if the doomsayers had been right? What if at the stroke of midnight, New Years Eve, the lights had winked out and stayed out? Where would all the Monday morning quarterbacks be now? Frozen stiff in their armchairs with a body temperature near zero degrees, if they live up north. Out in the flowerbeds digging up grubs for Mama and the kids, down South.

God has decreed in mercy that we cannot know the future. He has given us reason and foresight. We can use those tools to draw conclusions about future probabilities, but probabilities arent certainties. We examine the facts, ponder the possibilities, draw conclusions, and in prudence act. Inevitably, we are wrong some of the time. We waste money and time. Our investments dont work. Sorry, thats just part of life. Only dead people dont make mistakes.

Even when you fail to act, you dont escape. Failing to act is a decision, too. It is the decision usually preferred by the lazy, the cowardly, the irresponsible, and the slavish. I would inject "and pollies" here. Oh nevermind, he's talking about pollies. Sorry.

Using their perfect hindsight, some critics are crying that all the Y2K "hype" caused folks to "waste" money and time preparing. I heartily disagree. Y2K warnings encouraged people to take control of their own lives. In an America where public schools incapacitate people from thinking for themselves, how much is that worth? Y2K concern made people begin to exercise a healthy doubt toward all official promises, whether from business or government. It encouraged them to think rationally, rather than to succumb mindlessly to the voodoo mantras of officialdom.

Y2K forced people to think and make decisions about the most fundamental aspects of their lives  food, water, location, survival, family. Sure, they knew they were taking a risk by preparing, but in bright contrast to their present critics, they were brave enough to face the dilemma. If I prepare and nothing happens, Ill be ridiculed; if I dont prepare and something happens, my family may die. Better silly than dead.

A BAD THING?

Across the board, Y2K preparation encouraged personal and family self-sufficiency. If you paid off debt, sold your house, liquidated stocks, moved out of the city, bought a farm, and installed solar or wind power, you now are as self-sufficient as you can get in modern society. Preparing for disaster, you had to research and learn all sorts of skills you never had before. This was a bad thing?

Much if not most of the money you spent for Y2K was only buying ahead, not wasted spending. At least you wont be making many trips to Wal-Mart for a while. Big deal -- you eat or use the stuff you bought. This is a catastrophe?

If you bought food, medical supplies, or generators, you can wait six months and donate what you dont need to your local food bank, Red Cross, church, or the Salvation Army. Sure, youll be giving them more than you otherwise would have, but you can deduct it from your taxes. Uncle Sam subsidises your Y2K preparation. This is unbearable?

Preparing for Y2K, you also prepared for any natural, financial, or social disaster. You acquired knowledge and expertise, not to mention tools and materiel that can see you through the toughest times. In the event you lose your job, a tornado hits, or the Red Chinese invade Orange County to steal Disneyland, your family still has everything needed to wait out the storm. This leaves you suicidal?

If you moved to the country, by now youve found out what you left behind in the city  and wouldnt move back for a million bucks cash laid in your hand. I have not talked to a single person who re-located and now regrets it  not one. The move has delighted every one. This is something to cry about?

Hundreds of Christians around the country tried to persuade their churches to prepare for Y2K. They were encouraging the church to re-assume its charitable duties. (Why do we have the welfare state? The church dropped the duty, and the state picked it up.) This was a bad thing?

Come on! Wheres a reason to whine? Y2K hasnt shut down the grid yet, so thousands of people live instead of die. Should we cry about this? Our prayers were answered.

Yes, it rankles to hear Americas technology idolaters chortling over another victory for their god, but I can even put up with that. I far prefer that to national catastrophe. Besides, the final report has yet to be written.

WHERE FROM HERE?

Writing to Christians at Philippi, the Apostle Paul mentioned his own past mistakes, and cut right to the bone in dealing with them.

"Not that I have already obtained it, or have already become perfect, but I press on in order that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus."

Y2K didnt annihilate western civilization. The Almighty God didnt do what we expected, and proved himself yet again more merciful that we can think or imagine. Alleluia! Now we all press on to what lies ahead, without ever looking back.

-- F. Sanders

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), February 16, 2000.

(pssst, Chuck, conventional wisdom says that Chicken Little is, gasp, a woman chick)

I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to the question of what is a "BITR". But that's what the politicians and spinmeisters promised us as worst. And that's why almost noone at all prepared, especially for any consequences extending past New Year's weekend. They just kept on with their JIT lifestyles.

I'm guessing that the substantial number of folks in the northeast who spent so many $100's more this winter for fuel, in addition to the worry of whether it would be available during the severe cold period we had, would tell you that they have suffered far more than a BITR. For those whose frozen pipes burst the costs and aggravation are far higher still.

These costs were to a large extent avoidable, and may outweigh what many GIs spent to cushion themselves against immediate and supply chain problems. This, of course, is why TPTB that guaranteed no more than a BITR can never afford to admit that any of this was y2k-related. It's hitting too many people's bottomline bigtime. I predict it will hit my own myopic town's bottomline this year, too.

Not a major disaster (although probably personally devastating to at least a few). But significant and regrettable and largely avoidable. And y2k-related. It won't be over until the final cascading (economic) effects have played out, probably far into this year.

-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), February 16, 2000.

"This, of course, is why TPTB that guaranteed no more than a BITR can never afford to admit that any of this was y2k-related. It's hitting too many people's bottomline bigtime. I predict it will hit my own myopic town's bottomline this year, too."

Well said, Brooks. And to me, this cover-up is one of the most tragic events going on right now.

-- (ladybuckeye_59@yahoo.com), February 16, 2000.

--"normal" natural disasters, despite a high level of severity, have the rest of the country's resources to fall back on for the relief efforts almost immediately. This is just so. The majority of citizens in hurricane country still DO NOT prepare adequately, despite decades and even centuries of warnings, that yes, in fact, hurricanes will come, they can be devastating, and yes,you need to be prepared for them, IN ADVANCE.

The potential for y2k to have been an immediate cascading major failure was quite genuine, and appropriate public awareness steps and preparations were definetly called for. If you fail to understasnd that, you probably don't really understand a lot of things, and really no one can help you, sorry about that.

Speculation-I maintain without thousands and thousands of "doomers"-IN the IT industry and OUT-beating the "get this thing FIXED RIGHT NOW" drum, that industry and government as a whole would have mostly ignored y2k, UNTIL IT WAS REALLY TOO LATE, like they were mostly doing before 98 when it really hit public consciousness. In thousands of homes, around thousands of dinner tables, people became aware, talked to their friends and family and community and simply deluged these foot dragging profits-always-come-first corporations and governmental entities with emails, snail mails, letters to the editor, phone calls, etc and got them to WAKE UP. Hundreds of billions were spent THEN, millions of person hours of work was done that very well MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE DOOMERS.

WITHOUT that awareness, concern and work, this could have been very ugly, it could have been TEOTWAWKI, at least in the technological first and second worlds. You simply can't compare a LOCALIZED natural disaster-no matter how severe-with what was a REAL and bonafide potential for a GLOBAL disaster that could have effected the basic necessites of life. And now to critize the ones who withstood the early skepticism, the ones who did the work, the ones who built the case, that really helped to get the "fix" ball rolling,the ones who now have a growing and built upon new outlook towards being "prepared" for all eventualities-yes, including more hurricanes, which will still be coming-to do this is simply childish, it's gloating at the pain of others and somehow attempting to take credit for others work then, and for the CONTINUUING work now. In fact,you seek to capitalize on those very deaths you mention connected with Floyd, which is truly disgusting,and somehow, you seek to capitalize on real work and social awareness and activism in advance by concerned and well meaning and pro-active people, and to make them out to somehow be "wrong". YOU are wrong. You are gross and insulting. All the work and concern has PAID OFF, in that we have apparently avoided the very worst case scenario, with some level or another middle case scenario still unfolding around us today. But at least the awareness and concern WORKED. And it's already paid off for those new to preparedness folks who finally got involved with that subject due to y2k concerns, but who now have decided that yes, this "survivalism" thing has merit. they no longer believe the media and governments demonization of "survivalists", in fact, now many of them are taking second and third looks at other political awareness topics, topics that they have been led astry on by these same corporations, media and governments. It's been a very refreshing relief for those of us who have strived to raise the serious issues for many years as to "survivalism". Look at the last two major ice storms that hit south east US last month. A lot of told and UNTOLD stories of people being safe and secure and fed in their homes, when the "normal" reliance on the grid, etc, would have left them cold and hungry and in the dark. People in new england right now who from y2k awareness secured back up heating and lighting and water and food are able to mostly ignore this oil shortage, whereas their STILL unprepared and sneering at "survivalism" neighbors are wringing their cold mitten encased fingers and crying out for someone to bail them out from their short sightedness and lack of awareness. Y2K was a success, and it was a success because of "doomers", not from the minimizers and critics and pollyandras.

Catastrophes avoided from prepareness in advance DON'T MAKE THE NEWS. It's exactly the same as a responsible gun owner who doesn't become a crime victim because they are armed. It DOESN'T make the news, but it is no less real, and it certainly makes up for all those days a gun was carried but not needed. It is proactive insurance-REAL INSURANCE in advance that is something beyond a piece of paper in the drawer you send in a check for every month. that piece of paper is NOTHING right then, on the spot of an emergency. It may or may not help out later, but right then it's nothing, and people who maintain that "nothing" is better than "something" will ALWAYS be wrong. Look up those two words in the dictionary, you apparently have them confused.

I suggest you go look in the mirror. You are pointing the accusatory finger at YOURSELF. You have FAILED to even after all this time to get the "big picture", and now you seem to feel it's your "duty" to point out that for some reason people who DO get the "big, BIG picture" are wrong, when in fact they are responsible and caring, and BEFORE the fact, not AFTER the fact,like some foul chickens-come-lately.

The DOERS of society are always criticized by the ones who lack the ability, much as movie critics are really secretly actor wannabees, but they haven't the ability, so they "criticize". We "doomers" are proud of our work, proud of helping people to prepare in advance, proud of the fact the we can see beyond the immediate, that we have the willingness, the ability and the concern to be of help in advance to our selves and friends and family and community. We can see potential problems that might be coming down the road,we can see if problems are occuring now,and take proactive steps to avoid them or lessen their impact, and to help make sure other people do not suffer or get hurt.

Critics are just that, critics, they contribute nothing beyond self gloating cackles.

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), February 16, 2000.

Hey ChickenSh!t,

Think about why you came here today to post this question.

Next time you feel this way, try to suppress the urge.

-- nothere nothere (notherethere@hotmail.com), February 16, 2000.

Why would one deliberately and repeatedly make an effort to seek out the company of people whose world view is opposed to one's own? Is it because one needs a place to act out, however civilly, an old narcissistic rage? Is it because one enjoys feeling superior to others, and telling them off increases one's own self-worth? Seeking out what one despises in oneself? Projective identification? Could it be that one has a quasi- religious mission to convert others to one's opinion? Or is difficult to tolerate the fact that others think, feel, and act differently? Finally, is there a need for the world to be one with oneself to make it bearable, and therefore, one goes to such places to heal the split within? The human spirit and mind are indeed fascinating. Your mental health professional.

-- Swissrose (isnt@thisstrange.net), February 16, 2000.

Chicken Little,

You just don't understand. Being a doomer is fun! We are all bad people and we deserve to be punished. Oh hurt me; hurt me so good!

-- (flagellate@thy.self), February 16, 2000.

Good post ZOG. It reminded me of something I use to teach my children on how to decide what was right or wrong when the situation presented itself has not black or white but gray. I told them that a sinful nature always tends to take the short term view and the Godly christian nature takes the long term far sighted view. And that is what we the y2k prepr's did. And you know through the cold of the this winter it still nice to know that I have a huge stock of wood during this oil crises.

Justthink

-- justthinkin com (justthinkin@preps.com), February 16, 2000.

Chicken "polly," name calling is not nice and grown ups should know better. Cease and desist! It was nice to read your comment Mr. Sanders. I really enjoy your website, The-Moneychanger. However, awaiting an update. Any plans in the near future?

-- NoJo (RSKeiper@aol.com), February 16, 2000.

My Dear Mr/Miz Chicken Little (since apparently there is still some contraversy about gender).

It would seem that you must pine for my presence. Truely it is nice to be wanted. (You are the second one this week to "rattle my chain" so to speak.

I would rather you be some what more cautious when poking your head out the hen house door. Remember...Chickens do not fare well around hawks on the "hunt". Speaking of hen houses...You may not be a Chicken $hit...But you surely do have "hen house" ways.

But where have you been? Working on your ability at reconizing power generation facualities at a distance? After working on one for a WHOLE year one time. You should be able to do that two out of three times by now.

As for Y2K, and the embedded systems! Well YOUNG PERSON! They are doing the job that I stated that they would do. And over the time span and period that I speculated also. And in the areas I said that they would cause the most serious problems in. At what point will you reconize that there is a serious problem? When gasoline is sold on aternate days and by your odd / even licence tag number? When the price of a gallon goes to 2.00 a gallon for un leaded! (it is already more than that for deisel).

But then, you have always always lead the way to your mouth with you left foot! One would think that eventually you would learn to at least keep your shoes clean.

Some day, when you reach your majority..You might just learn. Some times, like with the working a WHOLE year on a power generation station, when you BRAGG about your accomplishments! To remember this oe thing, YOUNG PERSON. What ever you have done..There is always some one about, who has been at that subject/thing/or task for a considerabley longer time...Now why don't you pause and sift some of the residue out from under your roost ( all that S**T has to be piling up considerably under you space) And surely must affect you optic nerve, as well as your rectum nerve...For you surely have a S**TY out look on life today.

"As for me...I shall finish the Game"!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), February 16, 2000.

Zog hits the spot again!

-- h (h@h.h), February 16, 2000.

Ok, guys, quite seriously...

does *anybody* here have any *proof* that the rising oil prices are due to Y2K, and not to an oil industry which realizes that, gosh darn it, they can charge $30 a barrel and there is nothing you can do about it (in other words, supply and demand)?

Note I said *proof*, NOT speculation. Proof in this case is: a newspaper reporting on Y2K-related problems with oil pumping stations in the Middle East; Y2K-related oil refinery shutdowns; Y2K-related pipeline issues; etc. Proof is not saying "what else could it be?" or your cousin Clem saying he heard about it on the shortwave radio :)

-- Hmmm (hmm@hmm.hmm), February 16, 2000.

Hmmm, the jury may still be out, but it is premature to discount the rash of refinery and pipeline problems that have occurred since the beginning of the year, especially since they are exactly the type of malfunction, usually valves and flow control, that was anticipated. If so, the approximately 10% drop in overall refinery capacity compared to last year appears to have played a contributing role in the decreasing oil inventories and distribution problems experienced this year.

-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), February 16, 2000.

Chuck the Night Driver.

I am led to believe that you are one of the long-time forum sysops and have dedicated much of your time to this effort. It must be discouraging for you to see the collection of mutants that seem to have taken over this place. Still, you show up to prove that there remains a voice of reason in an abyss of insanity. Thank you for the balance sir.

-- Sifting (through@the.rubble), February 16, 2000.

LOL...great job guys!! I LOVE this thread!

Chicken Little came here lookin for a little chicken scratch, and now he is getting his feathers plucked! Excellent responses, I bet he'll think twice before he comes back here again!

Haaaa haaaa haaa haaa!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 16, 2000.

It's amazing to me to see the responses on this one. Why is CL ASSUMED to be a post-Y2k-hindsite poster? Could it be that the folks so saying are newer than HE? [Yes...that WOULD be HE. As with Y2kPro, the rumors of a sex change have been grossly exaggerated.]

Zog: I've been told that you've been a survivalist for many years. I don't think anyone ever had a problem with that...in fact I've seen some folks defend you because you didn't just latch onto Y2k to spread your views on survivalism to spread fear and sell stuff. There's nothing wrong with the way you choose to live your life and I don't think even the polliest of pollies have so suggested.

CL: The way I see it, there are still a few folks who think Y2k is/was the foundation of the problems that are posted on this forum. There are still a few folks who think that things could have been worse had it not been for folks who "spread the alarm." Having worked on the problem, I could argue against all this, but what would I gain? If folks are happy believing what they believe, I say let them believe it.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), February 16, 2000.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 16, 2000.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 16, 2000.

It seems like most people that use this site have certain times of the day in which they can post which goes along with the thought that most of them have a paying job they need to attend too. Hawk on the other hand seems to be able to rant, scratch, and play with cartoons whenever he feels like it. That tells me he's to young to work or he's living on ma and pa's inheritance. He couldn't be old enough to live on retirement. He hasn't shown expertise in anything except the grand ability to spread poopy-doo 24 hrs. a day.

-- Liberal Hater (liberty@bell.com), February 16, 2000.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 16, 2000.

Hawk, LOLOLOLOL I like the pictures!

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), February 16, 2000.

"Chicken Little,

You just don't understand. Being a doomer is fun! We are all bad people and we deserve to be punished. Oh hurt me; hurt me so good!

-- (flagellate@thy.self), February 16, 2000."

Bwaaahaaahaaahaaa!! Good one!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 16, 2000.

Chicken,

You are an idiot and/or a troll. Only one of the aforementioned would make sweeping generalizations such as:

"Why you people are still worried over something that hasn't happened; over something that never will happen according to your predictions..."

So the good prudent people on this forum are lumped into "you people." This creates a us/them antagonism from the get-go.

I for one am NOT worried, and never was -- that is one of the values of preparation -- taking steps to protect yourself and your family. As far as "predictions," I heard few absolute predictions. The buzz-phrase prior to the rollover was, "it's not the risks, it's the stakes." To me this meant that most of us felt the RISK of TEOTWAWKI may be low, but the STAKES were so high, that it was prudent to prepare.

From the babble of your post, it makes me wonder if you are LL with a new ISP????

-- No Polly (nopolly@hotmail.com), February 16, 2000.

NoPolly--

NO FAIR!! I was just going to post that very same thought. It's got to be LL. It must be hard for her to post without her trademark. Poor thing.

-- Liz (lizpavek@hotmail.com), February 16, 2000.

NO FAIR! I thought it was John Koskinen.

(But, isn't he a man?)

-- (fema@nd.redX), February 16, 2000.

oh my god,

CL, LL and JK ARE the same person!

-- (watched@it.all), February 16, 2000.

CL: I don't mean to offend, but I feel I have to respond to one statement in your post. (If you feel it is nitpicking, just ignore me :-)

Let me specify the statement. "People I grew up with, died. No fun at all."

NO FUN AT ALL!!! I hope this is an oversight and not a callous disregard for the death and the suffering of others. For those who died, it was NOT TEOTWAWKI, it WAS the end of the world. For those relatives and friends who knew them and cared about them, it was the end of the world as they knew it because of their deep loss. Could any lives have been saved by an individual awareness and preparedness for unusual events/occurances? I don't know. However, I think, in most cases, at least some contingency planning would mitigate or avoid the possible disastrous results of ignoring the possibility of an emergency situation.

In case you think I am just giving you a hard time for the heck of it, I live in New Bern, NC. I know people who have been impacted and I know people who still are dealing with survivor guilt.

Rant off, putting away soapbox now.

-- JCC (Wolvering_in_nc@webtv.net), February 17, 2000.

"Hmmm":

Good post, but be careful with logic here, it tends to inflame.

-- Bemused (and_amazed@you.people), February 17, 2000.

When will we gonna realize that it's all over?

Maybe when regular unleaded hits $2.00 a gallon.

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), February 17, 2000.

Make that "are" instead of "will" :::thwaps forehead:::

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), February 17, 2000.

We'll realize it's all over when the last pollys leave TB2000. You can speed up the process by setting a good example and leaving now.

-- Steve Heller (steve@steveheller.com), February 17, 2000.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Hehehe, good one Steve!

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), February 17, 2000.