OT-Is there anyone from Arizona who can refute the negative McCain stuff with facts?

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Most of the stuff about McCain on this forum so far is negative, interspersed with a couple "You don't know what you're talking about -- he's a great American."

Since I'm trying to decide if there's a worthwhile alternative to "Junior," or Clinton's protege, the present 2 frontrunners -- I'd appreciate it if someone from Arizona, who has verifiable facts negating the negative stuff so far, could present them in a post.

Bill, hoping America isn't going where I've been predicting it will go for the last 20 years.

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), February 12, 2000


Not from AZ. Not sure that this matters. Dubya [so far] impresses me as being Dan in cowboy boots. Your opinions may vary.

Best wishes,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 12, 2000.

Well I'm not from Arizona, but I watched the Arizona Cardinals on tv once, so. I think I'm qualified to answer this question. Who do you think is behind all of these MD 80's problems lately? Who do you think ruined our plans for y2k by singlehandedly fixing all the problems? Who do you think is running all over the country increasing the prices on the gas station readerboards?

I can't name him by name, but do the proverbial guesswork, and I think we all know who is behind this.

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), February 12, 2000.

But Butt, you said you were qualified, and then didn't answer the question.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 12, 2000.

BN made a joke, son. (I think...)

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), February 12, 2000.

I'm not from AZ, however a bit of a political junkie for the past 15 years. BTW, I'm libert'n in my views, but end up supporting repubs over dems when there's noone else.

McCain seems to be the most appealing candidate this time because of his world life experiences, stands and political know how. I also believe he's more honest than any of the others. However, this BS about his desire for finance reform is not real. As a member of the Keating 5, he showed how he handles the requests of his supporters. He put his campaign coffers above the country's fiscal health. Period. I know others did it as well, but they're not running for president. I still think he's the best we've got this time. Way better than the current occupants. All 3 of them.

Bottom line, we know Gore believes the ends justifies the means, so you can't believe one word he says. Bradley is weak, rudderless and doesn't have the killer instinct that a president must have. Bush was over rated from the start and his weakness as a candidate is showing in vote tallies, delegate votes and polls. He won't get the nomination. Jeb would have been better, way!

With McCain, it's all out there. All his dirt has been aired, however you can count on Bush, then Gore to make something up to help bring him down.

PREDICTIONS: Gore will win against McCain if the economy stays 'strong' in the voters eyes, otherwise McCain in a landslide should the American people get skittish. The Clintons will be completely exposed for what they did and who they are should McCain get elected. It will still happen if Gore gets in however it will take 1-2 years longer.

-- Mark (markmic@kynd.net), February 12, 2000.

Tom, sometimes my sarcasm eludes everyone. Sorry.

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 13, 2000.

Just my two cents, but if McCain is the Republican nominee, that will virtually guarantee a Gore/Hillary Clinton landslide. Yes, I believe that Gore is going to pick her as his VP. Scary...

I don't like ANY of these candidates. It is sad to consider that out of ALL the citizens of this great nation, we can't find ONE... just ONE...qualified and truly respectable individual to be President.

-- Irving (irvingf@myremarq.com), February 13, 2000.

You are all nuts!You all know from the past that all those guys have the same agenda.It's the price for being in the club.

They all will push saving the Eco.System,because Industry needs the trees to off set Green house gas polution.

They don't care what you think:they are bought and paid for and they will use your land,not thiers. Or rather yours will be thiers.

They all will also Sign all the World Trade Agreements. And when thats done,Any of them will send any of your butts to China to trouble shoot software, or mabe to sweep the floor,whether or not you like it.

They will change the Constitution,and come under UN rule. Read the treatys.They don't hide it:it's discussed on radio and tv constantly:World Trade,Green house gases Human Rights Violations.

Treatys are the highest law of the land.A treaty supercedes the Constitution. This is recognized by the constitution.

Too late! GOTCHA!

Then You get to take part! You get to give them your guns. You get to give them your land. You might get to keep your toe nails,,,,,,,,, But then mabe they might to run some experiments...............

Go vote "None of the above".

-- Registered Voter (weird@the polls.VOTE), February 13, 2000.

Sorry, but I can't get past the fact that he deserted the wife who waited for him, and at a particularly despicable time. This is the sterling example of his true character. If a person does not show integrity to those closest to him/her, then what will motivate them to put the good of the faceless populace above their own special needs, wants and interests?

-- Mumsie (shezdremn@aol.com), February 13, 2000.

RV, just don't go vote? The best vote is to not vote!

-- canthappen (n@ysayer.com), February 13, 2000.

OMG ... a Gore/Clinton ticket? Never even thought of that!

-- suddenly nauseous (it@couldn't.happen?), February 13, 2000.

Irving -

Agreed tis sad - but who would want to run the gauntlet that the other candidates and the press put out their "to protect the public interest"? No one is that clean who has the balls to go into politics at that level. It is simply a matter who can hide their foibles best.

I also think there is a great deal of Nixon garbage going on too or suppose you could call it Clinton garbage. Their kind of hijinx goes on all the time - they just happen to be 2 that got caught. Nixon paid and Clinton skated. Just too much money and power in politics for mortal man. And yes, isn't it sad?

-- Valkyrie (anon@please.xnet), February 13, 2000.


Actually, McCain is getting hit hard on this forum because one Vern Bacon persists in cut and pasting the most sickening flowery pro-McCain posts. A bald attempt at electioneering.

The reaction has been that people got tired of this obvious misuse of the forum and retaliated by posting the negatives. After a brief look, the negatives grow rather large.

We've just lived through an 8 year bout of poor character (how's that for the understatement of the year?), and McCain's character gets immediate hits because of his timing of divorcing his 1st wife and his Keating 5 association.

No one on the ballot will be found to be perfect. The questions are, "How bad do we want the next president to be?" and, "Will those defects impede him as president?" The jury's out.

-- rocky (rknolls@no.spam), February 13, 2000.

Mumsie...I disagree with you re McCain leaving his wife. I really don't know the story, but I have often wondered how ANY couple can pick up the pieces and go on after one has been a long time POW. John had to come back an entirely different person...not of his choosing... but never the less a done deal. Yes...she waited for him and she suffered. But he suffered more and the same amount of time. I really think this is one of those places where one has to "walk in his moccasins" to get even a clue. I choose McCain over the others due to the fact that he has a military back ground. His father and grandfather were both 4 star Admirals. His father was head of the Asia/Pacific. If I understand right, that means he was even over Westmoreland in Vietnam. All of this while John was a POW. His grandfather was one of those signing of the end of the WWII in the Pacific on board the USS MIssouri. We NEED A STRONG MILITARY president. We have stripped our defenses to the bare knuckles and we are in great danger from China/Russia. We have always been free in the US and not known war on our shores due simply to the fact that we carried the biggest stick. Somewhere along the way we have lost the stick. And if you think our enemies don't know that, you are wrong. So for this reason, McCain will get my vote. He may not be the best, but I don't think the "best" is even in the running. One has to choose from what we have, unfortunately. Taz

-- Taz (Tassi123@aol.com), February 13, 2000.

Taz - Do some research, McCain supported that guy who looted the savings and loan in AZ who eventually got sent to prison. No scruples. The guy (can't remember his name) was a HUGE supporter of McCain so McCain supported the thief that eventually bled a huge savings and loan dry.

-- Guy Daley (guydaley@bwn.net), February 13, 2000.

Greetings, Doc.

Don't have the answer to your question, but here's a site where you can check his, or any other senator's, voting record.


Sorry I couldn't come up with a compilation of his record; I'll keep looking.

I haven't made up my mind about him yet, but he seems to have the DC disease: widespread and disturbing tendancy to think that big federal government has the answer to everyone's problems.

Once again, our choices range from miserable to pathetic.


-- Pinkrock (aphotonboy@aol.com), February 13, 2000.

Bill: Check out this site:


Lots of info and interesting links.



-- Pinkrock (aphotonboy@aol.com), February 13, 2000.

This site is called, "Skelton Closet" with information on most all of the key politicians.http://www.gold-eagle.com:3128/cgi- bin/gn/get/forum.html?date=2000%3A02%3A13%3A10%3A00%3A00 Of course you should read worldnetdaily. Type in McCain's name in archives and come up with some excellent reporters and their conclusion. I for one find him corrupt and mean spirited, I also find Georgie too much of a NWO character and arrogant. My vote goes for Buchanan or Keyes. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.html By the way Bill you and I had some discussions about two years ago and lived not to far from each other back west. Glad your still alive and kickin'.

-- ron waltham (ronwaltham@yahoo.com), February 13, 2000.


Howdy! Glad to hear from you. Tried emailing you privately but it bounced so I'll do it here.

Sure miss the mountains and snow out West, but otherwise am in love with the South, especially the people, mores, values, humour.

Had already checked out the "Skeleton Closet" -- my wife found it for me surfing the net. Interesting site.

Re Buchanan or Keyes, I didn't stipulate it, but one of my requirements is that the guy can make it to the nomination.

Does it all really matter? In the long run I think not. In the short run, it probably will make a difference (in terms of the RATE of degradation of our nation/society.)


Bill, always a doomer

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), February 13, 2000.

iF HIs fiRSt wiFE COuld NOt trUST HIm, WHy shOULD we? hE leFT HEr sEAted IN a whEEl cHAIr aND hIT thE trAIl.

-- sKEptiC (InQUIrinGMInds@WAnt.TOKnow), February 13, 2000.


I am not comfortable with the front-runners. My choice is Alan Keyes, who has the intellectual qualities, the practical experience, the education, and the family background that most of us would like to see in a candidate.

It is a common perception that he cannot win, but I believe that if he were accorded the coverage that other candidates have received he would be a strong and viable candidate. How can we say he cannot win if voters have not seen him or know that he is running?

IMHO, the reason he receives so little publicity is that he IS a viable candidate, and one who is more articulate than any of the others. Those of you who have not read any of his speeches or writings would be pleasantly surprised to hear him.

Maybe he really cannot win, but I am sick of voting for more of the same, regardless of the label. Alan Keyes is not one of the good ol' boys, and I will vote for him if I have the chance.

BTW, I hope along with you, that America isn't going there, but I am not encouraged by the scenery.



-- gene (ekbaker@essex1.com), February 13, 2000.

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