Shades of Cuban Missile Crisis!

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The world rushes headlong towards war and most people are oblivious of the fact.

The Russian, Chinese, Iranian triad continues to strengthen. Ancillary countries such as North Korea, Iraq and a plethora of others, are also arming as rapidly as they can.

Even relatively neutral countries such as India, Japan, and countries in South America and Africa have their own extensive military agendas, that are non-supportive of U.S. policies.

This is NOT the old status quo. This is ARMS EXPENDITURES at the HIGHEST LEVEL that we have seen in decades. And the U.S. and NATO are right there with the rest.

The Biggest Bully on the Block is being unsuccessful in getting others to disarm even by the example of laying down a few of its own rocks.

This week a U.S. Warship stopped, boarded, diverted a Russian ship. (Remember the Cuban Missile Crises). This time it is the Iraqi Oil Embargo, The Russians have sent a naval ship to the scene, just to watch, mind you. And while they have blinked, they AREN'T amused.

As Stratfor says, the issue isn't over oil. The issue is over authority. Do as I say, not as I do. The U.S. doesn't abide by U.N. rules but it becomes very indignant when others don't.

National Prestige. Russia's is going to zip. And they don't like it. Not one bit. What good does it do, being a nuclear nation if you can't use them?

Cuba wasn't a winner for bully number two. Now neither is this oil embargo. Kosovo wasn't that great either. The biggest bully is even intervening in Chechnya and other CIS states. Just how many times does one go for getting their nose rubbed in the dirt?

Bully number three is also unhappy this week. (You have got to appreciate how REALLY unhappy). After the U.S. Congress this week passed its Taiwan Assistance Bill China BLUNTLY told the U.S. that IT is NOT a Yugoslavia.

There is growing up a bully number four. And it REALLY doesn't like SATAN America. Because it was Satan America that armed Iraq in the first place to keep Iran down. Because even back then, Iran was recognized as the REAL power in the region. Now Russia and China are helping Iran to arm.

Can the three smaller bullies, (with their gang of discontents, North Korea, Libya, Palestine, etc.) take on the one bigger bully (and its alliances with NATO, Japan?, Taiwan, South Korea, Israel and some U.N. alliances)?

Lots could be going on in lots of places, with lots of people with lots of side scores to settle, (India, Pakistan, lots of South American, and African Conflicts, not to mention East European and Middle East ones.) Would these people just stand on the sidelines, get into the general fray, or take the opportunity to settle their personal scores?

Everywhere, the Big Bully is winning, Today. But a revolt against the Big Bully is organizing. Do you think that they aren't serious? Do you think that they will back down? Do you think that it is not going to happen? Do you think that it is a long time off?

Think again. Most of their economies are in SERIOUS trouble. Their EXTREMELY HIGH MILITARY EXPENDITURES are making their situation truly untennable. AND they are presented with another very serious problem. If they don't use their arms the arms will deteriorate or become obsolete and they CANNOT afford another arms race. Use them , or lose them.

The Russian Legislature passed this week a resolution for first use of Nuclear weapons. The U.S. Legislature passed this week a resolution to further arm Taiwan. The Chinese made firmly known, this week their displeasure and strengthened their alliances with Russia and Iran. The U.S. Navy boarded a Russian ship this week. All in one week. Probably NOT being emphasized on your evening news. But it is happening.

You have to see it through - Russian, Chinese, Iranian, etc. eyes. But most American's are blind to the rest of the world's feelings.

All this is not going away.

Peace and love, Bruce Beach survival@webpal.org

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Puhleeeeze! don't turn this forum into a Globe/Examiner rag sheet. The United States makes the world go round by buying everybodys exports. No country in the world wants there economy to drop dead because the United States is no longer buying!!!

GET REAL

-- Guy Daley (guydaley@bwn.net), February 06, 2000.

I hate to break this to you guy, but the leaders in Beijing and Moscow don't give two shits for "exports" or "trade" otherwise, they wouldn't have spent so much on their militaries over the past oh, 300-500 years. Russia is an imperial power always has been, probably always will be, remember the mongol yoke? And china has gone to school recently in order to avoid another time like the 1850's-1950's when they were pimp-slapped by everybody on the planet. (ever wonder why the bad guys are all westerners and japanese in chinese films?) Guy, I'm not saying WW3 is imminent, but to believe that people won't got to war because "it'll cost too much." is crazy. I believe Lloyd george said the same thing about a week before WW1.

GET REAL

-- jeremiah (braponspdetroit@hotmail.com), February 06, 2000.

I wish Bruce Beach would just stick with the subject that he knows so well and was so incredibly accurate on - embedded systems. Its hard to find anyone who understood the subject and made such good predictions with the outcome of y2k as Mr. Beach has.

-- Butt Nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), February 06, 2000.

I was wondering the other day, after the rather threatning comments from Russia and China, just how many people here have even noticed. Make a mental list of all the countries that absolutely despise the U.S. Seems like all our enemies are becoming "friends". Are they just making empty threats? God I hope so.

-- jeile (tjfarrar@bellsouth.net), February 06, 2000.

Does Bruce Beach-blanket-bingo burn "bunker" fuel in buried bus bunkers?

-- (wood@chuck.chuck), February 06, 2000.

Clever, Wood Chuck, very clever.

Although this thread does skim the surface of a growing problem, our false assumptions about the world and most importantly, ourselves.

-- snooze button (alarmclock_2000@yahoo.com), February 06, 2000.

In 1939, Chamberlain, the Prime Minister of England (after a talk with Hitler about the Nazi "annexation" of Sudatenland) came back to Whitehall and pompously declared, "Peace in our time."

From some of the posts above, it is apparent that blind optomism was not unique to his time.

-- elskon (elskon@bigfoot.com), February 06, 2000.

Personally I feel that the threat of a nuclear holocaust is of far greater importance than any other subject of the moment, and should be discussed openly here, right here, because nothing can be seen in the public news media. If we do not express it here, then we will all go to the slaughter blindly. If you yokels want to bury your heads in the sand and ignor what is obvious, then when the blast comes and your heads are in the sand, you know what is sticking up in the air, and will be blowed to hell and back. I had rather face it head on, than to get my butt blowed off first.

-- Notforlong (Fsur@aol.com), February 06, 2000.

Notforlong:

A word of advice. If you want to discuss something, insulting the members of this group by calling them "yokels" is hardly the way to do it. Or have you had success with that method in the world you live in?

-- Steve Baxter (chicoqh@home.com), February 06, 2000.

Americans for the most part are far to introverted to understand their international persona.

-- Will (righthere@home.now), February 06, 2000.

Bruce Beach is a fear-mongering moron. The U.S. is the leader of NATO, and we've got the wealthiest nations in the world backing us up. These days, the golden rule of military confrontations is... "He who has the most gold rules." Anybody who tries to f*ck with NATO is gonna get f*cked ten times over.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 06, 2000.

Jeremiah - Dead wrong, the people that pull the strings in Russia and China are super wealthy. They've got a taste for luxury goods and services and for them it's like heroin or for others nicotine. Once you've acquired the taste you don't want to go back. Striking up a war with the United States means going back and perhaps losing everything they've acquired. That's exactly what nuclear war means. Going back to bear skins and stone knives. As for sticking my head in the hole, you folks should pull it out.

-- Guy Daley (guydaley@bwn.net), February 06, 2000.

Does anyone want to maintain this thread assessing the likelihood of nuclear war? I for one would be grateful for the input of others more informed. Things don't look good. It seems at any moment one of the numerous flashpoints could spiral out of control.

-- J (jerseygirl@groundzero.com), February 06, 2000.

ww3 is on it's way.

-- Helpus (thetime@ishere.com), February 06, 2000.

Don't you worry your pretty little head there jerseygirl, our boys in the Pentagon got things under control. It has been over 59 years since anyone tried to attack the U.S., and we've been ready for 'em ever since. Why do you think we went over to check on that Russian sub? To let them know that we know every little sneaky thing they try to do, and that we are the boss. There isn't any combination of countries in the world that can stand a chance against NATO, and you are living on their prime real-estate. Sweet dreams. :-)

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 06, 2000.

Don't think the nukes will be used. The lights are still gonna go out.

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), February 06, 2000.

Yes to Jersey Girl.

-- jeile (tjfarrar@bellsouth.net), February 06, 2000.

Anyone here think WWIII has ALRAEDY begun, just some folks haven't gotten their memo yet? Global tension is worse than anone here has yet indicated. The US has troops in 2 out of every three nations on the planet. And we are what like 2% of the global population? Put the propaganda aside for a day and take a look around folks. It's already started, IMHO.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), February 06, 2000.

I read online Russian, Chinese and other overseas newspapers. About two months ago on of the Russian papers came right out and said they plan on placing long range nuclear bombers in Cuba.

40 years ago Americans would be in an uproar over such news. Today no one even noticed.

-- ilander -- (ilander@minot.com), February 06, 2000.

Central Texans Ready For Bosnia About 400 Central Texans are spending their last few days with friends and family. They won't be with each other for another nine months. They're National Guardsmen are about to deploy for a peacekeeping mission in Bosnia. Monday night, there will be a sendoff celebration at Austin's City Coliseum.

The men and women who're going to Bosnia will make history. It'll be the first time any National Guard unit will be in charge of active duty forces. In this case, peacekeepers in Bosnia. The soldiers from the Austin are are making the most of their final days.

The last two week have been hectic for attorney Ron De La Rosa. He's been packing in as much work as possible, because for the next nine months, the lawyer will be a peacekeeper with the National Guard in Bosnia. Ron is leaving a four year old grandson and the rest of his family behind.

"I've been sad for a while, and I'm sure the next couple of days are going to be even worse," says Ron.

A couple of other lawyers will help out with cases and holding down the fort at De La Rosa's office with his wife Olga.

"We're going to be trying to get adjusted to him not being in the office, so I don't think I'm going to have time to think about how I feel about his absence until I get home in the evenings," says Olga.

"I'm sure it's going to be pretty lonely out there, especially around the evening time, when you're used to going to bed together, and waking up together," says Ron.

National guardsmen have been getting used to life overseas through training for the unique mission of being in command.

"After Desert Storm, certainly the Army reduced its numbers both active, and also in the reserve. So we now have to rely more on the total Army package, which the reserve components are a large part of that," says Col. Garry Patterson with the Army National Guard.

No longer "weekend warriors," folks like Ron will be gone for a while, their regular lives put on hold.

Most of the soldiers will go from Austin to Fort Hood on Wednesday and then eventually to Bosnia.

(posted Sunday, February 6, 2000 @ 9:16 p.m.)

-- Cheryl (watching@waiting.***), February 06, 2000.

Guy Daley: The United States makes the world go round by buying everybodys exports.

Yes, we have been buying everybody's imports but we have forgotten Who makes the world go round. "And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, ...for in one hour is thy judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:" Revelation 18:9-11

Will: Americans for the most part are far to introverted to understand their international persona.

Amen. "And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neigher didst remember the latter end of it. Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and noone else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of chidren, and widowhookd: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments. For thou has trusted in thy wickedness: thou has said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I AM, and none else beside me." Isaiah 47:7-10 "Because ye were glad, because ye rejoiced, O ye destroyers of mine heritage, because ye are grown fat as the heifer at grass, and bellow as the bulls;" Jeremiah 50:11

Hawk: "He who has the most gold rules." Anybody who tries to f*ck with NATO is gonna get f*cked ten times over.

"How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!" Jeremiah 50:23 "Hammer of the whole earth" = world's policeman = USA = Babylon The Great, the whore who forgot where her blessings came from.

"I have laid a snare for thee and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou was not aware: thou art found, and also caught because thou has striven against the Lord." Jeremiah 50:24

We are there yet but we are heading there at break neck speed. sdb

-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), February 07, 2000.

Last sentence should have read: "We are NOT there yet but we are heading there at break neck speed." sdb

-- S. David Bays (SDBAYS@prodigy.net), February 07, 2000.

David Bays -

A few clues...

You will find (to some degree) "where" we are heading at 'breakneck speed':

"http://www.bashar.com/GSP/rachel.htm" "There1"

and

http://www.bashar.com/GSP

and click on blue nav button "Warning"

You are quite correct about "heading there at breakneck speed".

In other words, "We are in a race between education...and catastrophy."

In other words, "Knowledge without action...still appears as ignorance."

-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?com), February 07, 2000.

S. David Bays,

"The meek shall inherit the earth" ... six feet deep.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), February 07, 2000.

I feel this is a timely and appropriate discussion, we few that read and post on these topics are more aware of what is happening all around us, this board helps a lot. real (with some unreal enhancements)news put in the light for our own discretion, but revealed none the less. We should all strive to share our truths with one another ready ourselves for the ever advancing tides of war and worse that are advancing on us all, no matter where we live. Flame away at me if you must, agree with me if you feel the same. I am not going anywhere. this is the best place to discuss the tough topics with people from all over the world and I for one am happy to be able to post and read here.

Namaste'

Laurie

-- Laurie (laurelayn@yahoo.net), February 07, 2000.