Hello to all. When using Premiere Panosonic encoder, some of my avis are jerky, and the sound is choppy. I am going out to NTSC, and trying both VCD, and just the regular Mpeg1 setting in the controls. I really don't like my results. I can get better result with Xing Encoder, but my AVI's are bigger than 2 gig to export from Premiere. Does anyone else have suggestions? How do you export your AVI's if they are bigger than 2 or 3 gig, and what Encoder works best? And when I do look at my work on VCD, it looks a little blocky. Is this normal. I can't expect DVD quality, but I was hoping for at least VHS.

My dream would be to find a great mpeg encoder to work with Adobe Premire.

p.s. I read good results from VideoGuys on the Pinnacle DV500. I would like to purchase this board. Has anyone had good or bad experience with it. Any stories about this would be so helpful to me, and maybe others. All you guys are very helpful, thank you very much! :)

Peace Jill

-- Jill (jsibilski19@AOL.com), February 04, 2000

Answers

im working on a much better answer, but something is definetly wrong if your getting better results using the xing then the panasonic.

-- Doug (mazinz@aol.com), February 04, 2000.

I capture with MiroDC30+ and Avi-Io, then edit with Premiere 5.1 and encode with Panasonic plugin just to get rid of the 2 Gb limit. Premiere 5.1 can accomodate on the timeline more of 2 hours of footage that means over 30 Gb of AVI chunks at 352x576 (2,5 compression). If you're not satisfied with Panasonic (strange), provided you are young and with so much time in front of you , then you can try the standalone way. Using Ligos or Dv Mpeg or Panasonic standalone a good way to accomplish the job should be the following: 1) capture on chunks of 700 Mb with Avi-Io or Reel-Cap (3:1 cmpr.). 2) encode directly on mpeg the chunks that don't need to be rendered 3) render the footage you need and save to avi directly (uncompressed) 4) if the rendered chunks results too big in size, export them from Premiere using the Reel-Avi plugin (great plugin from Thuyen Nguyen) 5) encode in mpeg the rendered chunks 6) join them all using MPG2VCR (www.womble.com) 7) done. Brambus

-- Brambus (kdwbr@tin.it), February 05, 2000.

Premiere is not always the best host program for rendering! That is some statement from someone who has used it since 1994.

I went DV with the ADS Pyro card at $100 a few months ago (whats a DV500 cost to do the same thing?),its a good buy for a firewire based system but I found by testing and lots of experiments that Video Studio 3 which comes with it, that excuse for an editing program, was indeed a better host than premiere for some parts of the operation.

The 2G limit goes out the window if you use a timeline plugin like the Panasonic but the quality is not as good as using an intermediate resize with the intel 5.11 codec in VS3; it allows about 8G of original capture on the time line and 33 minutes of vcd track as an output.

I found by doing a normal type 2 avi out of premiere after editing in 2G lumps and then putting the whole lot together in VS3 and doing an intermediate resize render with the Intel 5.11 codec for use in the Panasonic stand alone encoder gave by far the best results. You can also do the intel resize in Premiere but the result is not as good its one of the available options that does not survive the test below.

If you really want to test a system/encoder process then simply work with a slow pan of a skyline with tall buildings, maybe 15 seconds long. That will tell you very quickly how good the process is. Try all the combinations available to you and select the best. If you see verticals which vibrate side ways as you pan then the system your currently using is not up to scratch and can be bettered.

Premiere as a host in my tests did vertical wobbles consistantly including when rendering straight to vcd compliant vcd mpeg-1's with the Panasonic timeline plugin. However, the Premiere/ulead combined process got rid of all those problems.

In relation to quality, I cannot produce a vcd at near the quality of the same source material to VHS tape and that is despite using svideo connections and DV based video thro-out. I accept that now, but the search is always on to achieve better quality for the VCD played in a DVD player and that is only possible by testing what people actually say on this site and then making your own judgements.

-- Ross McL (rmclennan@esc.net.au), February 06, 2000.