I have been looking at some letters [now mostly copies] of letters to long dead relatives, from T. Jefferson. Some of his ideas [if not his language; some of Paul's words hadn't been invented then] were close to what Paul has said. What is your opinion? I just found it interesting. Off on another MD-83, wish me the best!!!

Best wishes,,,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 04, 2000

Answers

>> What is your opinion? <<

My opinion is that you haven't provided even one side-by-side quote from Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Milne to back up this opinion of yours.

I could, with equal justification, express the opinion that "some of the ideas" expressed by Mao Tse Tung "were close to what Paul has said."

Heck. Given Paul's lust for the destruction of the federal government, this isn't even very far-fetched!

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), February 04, 2000.

Brian:

And I don't intend to. Read some Jefferson and then come back. He would have liked the idea of destruction of a society controlled by the industrial, urbanized elite; but then you don't know that yet; because you haven't read. Now this isn't my opinion; I am part of the urbanized, industrial elite; I am just reporting. Do some research and then respond. I am not defending Paul's ideas; I am just amazed that few people realize that our founding fathers would have agreed with many of them. Well times have changed; but if you quote our "founding fathers" you should realize this.

Best wishes,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 04, 2000.

Brian:

I have to go, but, I would like to point out that ideas are a lot more complicated than quotes. I know that you know that. Quote comparison is something for the Today Show.

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 04, 2000.

One last note:

It is interesting that the wax on the seal is still intact on the originals. Most things don't last that long now-a-days!!

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 04, 2000.

Milne's salvation was Lysander Spooner.

-- Buster (BustrCollins@aol.com), February 04, 2000.

Thomas Jefferson made the Louisiana territory purchace from France. He was convinced that this vast tract of land would provide expansion room for 100 generations of Americans (2000 years?). Everything he said or thought was in the context of the availability unlimited land and natural resources.

I wonder what such an intellegent man would think or say in the context of now?

-- Doug Fletcher (dflet@succeed.net), February 04, 2000.

But would Sally Hemmings have liked Milne?

-- (concubine@Monticello.slavequarters), February 04, 2000.

Thomas Jefferson was a genius, a true American, flawed yet patriotic.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 04, 2000.

Brian, Much of Jeffersons rhetoric was originally Patrick Henry's. Jefferson in the early part of his life (remember he penned the Declaration at 25) he was a relatively mild guy. Paul Johnsons History of the American People is a pretty good read, with a lot of Jefferson info. For the guy who wanted wild ass quotes how about, "From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots" Tim McVeigh liked this quote. I would love to ask him which the little kids were that died in the Oklahoma bombing, tyrants or patriots.

-- hank (reardon@not.now), February 04, 2000.

.....And You'll never convince me of the bogus stories of taking Sally Hemmings into his bed, the man was a high-minded individual, devoted to the memory of his deceased wife. You'd do better for yourself by finding out where those stories originated instead of believing every slanderous remark made against the men responsible for this great nation. The research would sharpen your skills and fascinate you with the FACTS of what truly has transpired in this land.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), February 04, 2000.

NPR has a great Tues. show on Jefferson. From what I gather, he believed a politician's private life should remain private and was able to stear press and commentary on his personal life away from his presidency. ..very unlike the current admin, who instead perhaps uses personal drama to distract the public from his presidency, heh.

Jefferson believed in revolting against tyrany, and some folks who dig through his readings think he would call our HUGE fed gov tyranical today so would call for a revolt. Go figure.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), February 04, 2000.

Speaking of Sally Hemmings, didn't I read somewhere that she was actually the half sister of Jefferson's wife? (They shared the same father.) And most of her descendants today are considered "white." Frankly, I don't see the big deal. People keep judging Jefferson by today's standards -- the usual historical revisionist baloney -- and forgetting he lived in a time and a world that had entirely different mores and expectations.

-- Admirer (admirer@oftom.jefferson), February 05, 2000.

Well, I made it back. That is x [I've forgotten] MD-83 flights since 261. Hank gave you the most famous quote. Hokie, if you go through the press reports of the time you will find that the attacks on Jefferson were unbelievably strong compared to what any modern politican has endured. My impression is that he was a very tough politican as President [after all he charged his own VP with treason and lost]. This is not to degrade Jeffersons memory, just to point out that [if you read enough of his letters] he and Paul may have agreed on many points. Or so it seems!

Best wishes

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Brian:

You will also find that Mao Tse Tung was a great student of Jefferson [as were many others]. Hank pointed out of Mao's favorite quotes.

Best wishes,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 05, 2000.

Thomas Jefferson was a man.

Paul Milne is a whining fool.

-- yeah right (milne@wanna.be), February 06, 2000.