A press release from Andy Ray - Handwringing Doomers won't like this one bit...

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Dear Friends and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Press:

The following is a sample of some of the free speech that has occurred at a bulletin board entitled Time Bomb 2000. The bulletin board forum is hosted at M.I.T. on a server maintained by Phil Greenspun. This forum was started by M.I.T. alumnus Ed Yourdon, and named after his popular and fraudulantly inaccurate book that predicted Y2k disruptions.

Although many extremists seized upon Y2k hysteria and fear-mongering to further their individual causes (which ranged from a general dis-trust of government and institutions to active involvement in anti-government groups), Mr. Yourdon's appearance on the Y2k scene added something thitherto lacking: professional credibility. Mr. Yourdon is (was?) quite accomplished in the software design and engineering fields. His establishment of this forum at his alumnus created a "Y2Kook Central." It has been and remains an un-abashed and biased technical charade.

At Mr. Yourdon's website (http://www.yourdon.com), he claims to be writing another book about the long-term effects Y2k, entitled "Humpty-Dumpty Y2K."

I forward the following tidbits of wisdom, collected by a Y2k optimist (who debated at the M.I.T.-sponsored Time Bomb 2000 forum until being declared "non-comformist," and summarily deleted whenever he posts) who worked under the pseudonym "Y2KPro." You may indulge in a skewed veiw of reality (they - the "doomers" - maintain that you, the press, are colluding with government and industry officials to keep "the truth" about Y2k out of the mainstream media...) for yourself at:
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=TimeBomb%202000%20%28Y2000%29.

Regards,
Andy Ray

--

"Freeze if you want. Starve if you want. I couldn't care less. Just don't force others to ride that train WITH YOU. (And I wouldn't go to the neighbor's house looking for a handout either, if I were you. If a guy like you showed up at MY door, you'd be escorted to the street at the busness end of an assault rifle...

Those of us that have "insurance" just have to pick you people off before you break in to our homes. Outside of THAT, we'll just sit back and watch you people die off."

Dennis Olson, July 1999

"Joeseph McCarthy, as it turns out was more right than wrong."

Randers (coyotecanyon@hotmail.com), December 22, 1999.

"I AM SO SICK OF YOU LOW IQ POLLYANNA IDIOTS....YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IN 3 WEEKS, SO STOP SPAMMING UP OUR BOARD AND GO BUY SOME FOOD YOU LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!! "

p.s. I hate you!

Rational Doomer (doomer@big.time), December 12, 1999

"They will go away by slow painful death."

-- wacko (gonewackie@aol.com), December 12, 1999.

"THE CHEAPEST WAY TO OBTAIN NIGHT VISION EQUIPTMENT IS REMOVE IT FROM THE CADAVER OF U.N.FORCE MEMBERS AFTER THEY DESCOVER WHAT A FREE AND ARMED POPULATION IS CAPABLE OF!"

rumpled foreskin (hillarysucks@lesbo.org), December 01, 1999.

"Amen. That's how I figure I'll end up with my NV. And a new weapon or two. I know they don't want to come to Idaho. We're ready.

anonymous (anonymous@anonymous.com), December 01, 1999.

"Do I wish to see the present Federal governmnet completely disemboweled? Yes, absolutely"

Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), July 05, 1999.

"I hope ALL democrats die in Y2K.

-- goldbug (goldbug@mint.com), December 07, 1999.

"Another Polly is dead. Good riddance. The rest will follow shortly anyway when TSHTF."

(its@coming.soon), August 15, 1999.

"Just about any sacrifice is worth getting rid of it (federal government) and moving BACK to a Constitutional republic with extremely limited Federal government powers. Even if it means the decimation of the population. If the population is 'content' to live under this tyranny, then they deserve to be wiped out as a result of Y2k. They do not deserve to call themselves 'Americans' because they have not the first clue what an 'American' is."

Paul Milne, August 1, 1999.

"If the government becomes a tyranny, it needs to be destroyed. If the majority of those people support that tyranny, then they need to go too."

Milne, November 7,, 1999.

"I don't know about you all, but I'm right tired of the world as we know it....Can't wait for the sound of them cosmic keys jingling and that big voice boomin' across the skies, "Gentlemen....its closin' time." and the Spirit andmthe bride say, "Come, Lord Jesus!"

Jay Urban (Jayho99@aol.com), November 01, 1999

"This culture offers us corporate slavery and snickers bars, two car garages and shiney chains. The people are such contented cattle they'll never wake up to the fact that we need a revolution.I pray that y2k will bring teotwaWki bad enough that we loose the trust that has enabled us to be so complacently enslaved.Our numbers are too high anyway,if our species is lucky it'll be a few billion dead and not just a few million.The species doesn't need you or me just enough genetic diversity to ensure survival.Maybe then our species won't suicide like it appears to be so eager to do."

I pray for TEOTWAWKI (hopeful@doome.r), November 01, 1999.

"I would like to know if us on the West coast will ba ablle to see New York City go down when the ball falls in time square?"

Larry Lamb (gfmd@tgi.net), November 02, 1999.

"As long as "diversity" (3rd-world immigration) and "multi- culturalism" (anything goes) continues the USA will continue to drift from being a Christian (like it or not) cohesive nation to New World Odor"

Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), September 09, 1999.

"People who want to survive Y2K should be prepared to kill."

(its@coming.soon), July 27, 1999.

"So, of course I want to see y2k bring down the system, all over the world. I have hoped for this all of my adult life." -- Gary North

"Nobody gives a flying f*** what you pollies post anyway. Life is to short, quit wasteing your time. The gene pool will be cleansed soon enough."

FLAMEAWAY (blehman202@aol.com), November 05, 1999.

"To be honest, the first one that is able to rend the mainstream press mute, would be one of the greatest American Heroes since Washington."

INVAR (gundark@sw.net), November 07, 1999.

"The government "strategy" seems most suited to facilitating a 5 to 7 scenario.

This is why I often root for a 9 or a 10. Time to thin the herd (flock), and hopefully take the shepherd, also. "

A (A@AisA.com), November 25, 1999.

"Klinton's plan is simple. He will turn out the power in NYC when the ball drops. Then declare martial law to stop the riots. Special UN troops will spread across the country burning and looting in each time zone as the hour passes and the lights are turned off. By Saturday noon, it will all be over.

Better be ready for the resistance movement."

NOWAY TOO MANY SPIES (AIN"TNOWAY@TODAY.COM), November 25, 1999.

"Check www.garynorth.com under martial law. Klinton is ready to make his move using Y2K chaos as cover to impose UN control over America. Its guaranteed this was all predicted in the BIBLE and now it comes to pass!

Klinton has ruined this country over past 8 years. Economically and socially the country is in tatters and depression, never has this country been in worser shape than now. No one can get a job, immorality and vice and drugs are everywhere. Klinton destroyed our armed forces, he even gave the atom bomb to Red China! And he did NOTHING about Y2K! Why? Because Y2K chaos is his chance to take over the country! Everyone knows this but no one did anything to stop him! Now Klinton, along with liberals and Jewish anti-Christian media are ready to make their move. Check out sightings. Check out troop movements of UN and NWO forces throughout the country. In San Diego they are building concentration camps. I saw them myself! UN vehichles are being stored in Texas. NATO troops have been sited in Modesto, making their move. Check our gary north for the details. And in 5 weeks the Y2K bug will devaste this country like nothing ever before giving perfect chance for,Klinton and Jewish liberals to make their move and enslave America and patriats. It has finally come to this.

Get your guns, your beans and your Bibles out. When UN and NATO troops make their move be prepared to resist their satantic push for world domination. Ferret out all non-christian traitors. Lock and load, and close ranks!"

Cal Talit (ctal@apple.com), November 25, 1999

The problem with tolerating polly's is that by the end of January they will be demanding that the government find our supplies and distribute them to the masses, And then we have to kill them.

goldbug (goldbug@mint.com), December 12, 1999.

BOOM, Y2K Pro, YOU'RE DEAD!!! You mindless, pathetic gov't robot. BT hehehehhe :)

-- "Bible Thumper" (Y2K-Pro@is-govt-shill.com), December 12, 1999.

Those who prepared will sleep safe in their bed, while those that did not will sadly be dead. n (its@coming.soon), December 21, 1999.

[Fine Y2K Pro let the TBY2K posters "see" what AndyRay sends out to the press--Sysop]

-- (anon@anon.anon), February 01, 2000

Answers

[Fine Y2K Pro let the TBY2K posters "see" what AndyRay sends out to the press--Sysop]

It's not really necessary to let us see this crap, Sysop. It'll just encourage him to post more garbage and make your life harder.

-- (brett@miklos.org), February 01, 2000.


Andy Ray does Press Releases now? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I know I'M impressed! (Does he send them out in teal-colored print, too?)

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), February 01, 2000.

Y2K Pro, that you continue to spam here with partially untrue information, and that many of your above examples were posted by trolls and were deleted, speaks volumes about you.

'Nuf said.

Leave.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.


Please, Please delete this trash

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feetShakey), February 01, 2000.


Who is Andy Ray and who cares what he has to say anyway?

-- Plato (Okie_Rascal@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.


Oh mercy me....just what I feared when I heard Debonkers was shutting down. Someone please stop these children. Where are their parents?

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), February 01, 2000.

Y2K Con

Debunkers shut down. Your side lost. Now just be a good boy and go home.

-- justwondering (justwondering@trollsarementallyunsound.com), February 01, 2000.


Plato,

Exactly! :-)

It's obvious from this "press release" that A.R. has NO IDEA how to construct a real press release. It's actually pretty hysterical itself. The kind of person who would take it seriously is the kind of person who would post it here.

Mike

==================================================================

-- Mike Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), February 01, 2000.


Yeah, what Plato said!

Jimmy

-- Jimmy Splinters (inthe@dark.com), February 01, 2000.


Not "every" prediction Y2K Pro.

Great... it's over! You said so. You can leave now. Thanks for sharing.

GOODBYE!

Time for you to quit the daily harrassment and abuse you find so offensive in others. POT-KETTLE-BLACK. Go manage your Delete Forum. Or not.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.



"Debunkie shut down because Y2K is over." If Y2KPro believed that statement, even for a moment, he would not be here.

-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), February 01, 2000.

Anyone can write a press release; as to whether or not they're noticed or published is another story.

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), February 01, 2000.

Ho hum

In the spirit of fair play,maybe Andy Ray and Y2KPro should be allowed one (and only one) post per day.If the post is the same old crap as usual,delete it after being up for a day.After all ,they are homeless now.

-- Sam (Wtrmkr52@aol.com), February 01, 2000.


Press releases are sent out by the many thousands every day. Most get allocated to the roundfile.

-- Wilferd (WilferdW@aol.com), February 01, 2000.

Press Release:

01-02-2000

Due to the shutdown of the debunkers board, the responsible citizenry of TB2K are warned to be aware of an influx of idiots with a load in their diapers.

Thank you.

-- Powder (Powder47keg@aol.com), February 01, 2000.



Tell you what Y2k Pro. I'll research the ISP's and get back to you tonight or tomorrow.

Have to get ready for work now.

'Ta

Meanwhile... QUIT the danged SPAMMING here!!!

Thank You... for your "kind" consideration for the rest of us.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.


It is obvious that Y2K Pro and Andy Ray are one in the same; there is NO distinction between their writing styles.

So, AndyRayY2kPro, if I were you, I'd check myself into a controlled psych ward before the feds come looking, because if you really did forward this ranting prose to the press then they are onto you bro.

I think the only red flag you missed was having not contructed your document with letters cut out of Ed's book and various Y2K News Magazines.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), February 01, 2000.


"the hate perpetrated by some of the monsters of Oilbomb 2000"

You hypocritical piece of rat dung! I have tried my level best to stay above the fray that Debunkers like yourself have initiated, but this last statement really rankles me! I have lurked on Debunkers quite frequently and have found a MUCH higher percentage of pointlessly violent rhetoric and venom than I have EVER found on this forum. Sure some of the people here are kind of nuts...welcome to the planet Earth pal...get used to it, but the writhing pit of vipers that you called home made the most vitriolic bible-thumper here look like Mr. Rogers by comparison. My own politics and religious beliefs are very different from those of the majority of the people on this forum, but I have found the people here to be a LOT kinder overall. A lot of you Debunkers made me ashamed to be a liberal.

You are at best an idiot.

Get stuffed and get a life.

-- Nope (Lurker@AfraidOfSpamAndHateMail.com), February 01, 2000.


Y2k Pro:

If you're so tired of things around here, then leave, idiot. It wouldn't surprise me if you and Andy Ray made some of those posts to try and discredit this forum. Hatemongers are not welcome by most of us, and the few that are here don't represent the vast majority of us. It's idiots like you who can't distinguish the majority from the fringe. Besides, you're hate-mongering trash from the opposite side anyway. Most of us are ecstatic to have been wrong. If you can't see that, then you obviously have a weak grip on reality.

-- haha (haha@haha.com), February 01, 2000.


"Just two individuals"...vs how many that post here?

Majority rules. End of Story.

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), February 01, 2000.


300,000 some-odd messages, totalling millions of sentences and and tens of millions of words from many thousand different readers ...... from that he extracts ten samples of supposed "hate-speech" - most of which occurred after only extreme frustration with the continual deliberate sabotogue and attacks from "Andy Ray" (and his cohorts) themselves.

Despite even that, these are only opinions, and deserve a right to be heard.....thoughthose attacking are quick to hide behind "free speech" as long as they can use that right to attack their enemies.

This is, by the way, only about the fourth or fifth time this particular "press release" has been posted here.....give it up. The mainstream press isn't interested in year 2000 issues, nor in your hysterics.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), February 01, 2000.


Y2K Pro

I find it disingenuous that you keep creating a strawman just to tear it down. Sadly, you may truly believe in this world you have created and live in. For your own peace of mind and the safety of others, please seek professional help. In the interim this board is not your place, nor do you serve yourself and anyone else any value by continuing this pattern of abuse. The first step in helping youself is to just leave and not return.

-- PA Engineer (PA Engineer@longtimelurker.com), February 01, 2000.


Andy is using tactics used by Nazi's to discredit groups. Take the extreme actions of the fringe and use it to discredit an entire group, the majority of which disagree with the fringe. Nice try Nazi Andy. And your ideological comrade-in-arms Y2k Pro may have an extra portrait of the Fuhrer for you.

Who said Nazism died with Hitler? I suspect that Andy and Y2k Pro are proof positive that Nazism is alive and well. It's only a theory, but if it demonizes like a Nazi, and it categorizes people like a Nazi....

-- X (X@X.com), February 01, 2000.


This is a press release? You might want to check grammar and spelling before you send it out. Particularly with glaring errors such as these:

His establishment of this forum at his alumnus (alma mater) created a "Y2Kook Central."

veiw (view)

"non-comformist," (non-conformist)

fraudulantly (fraudulently) inaccurate - Was it intentionally fraudulent, or merely inaccurate?

Some of the little things that bug me: bad grammar, usage and spelling in the press. On this board, I could care less. If you plan to send something to the press, however, you might not want to look like an idiot!

-- Duke1983 (Duke1983@aol.com), February 01, 2000.


So who has a copy of this "press release". The Pollyville Post???

This is too funny.

If this is newsworthy, how about a link to somewhere even half important. And no, a link to Stephen Poole's site doesn't count.

LOL, what a moron. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.


Robert, It is fair to say that they are only a handful of the hundreds of thousands of posts that are here and not representative of all postings.

However, Diane's statement that most of those were trolls is patently incorrect. Most of those statements were made by regulars or semi- regulars on this forum. Granted, none of us would look real good if only our worst statements ever were printed back to back. The sad part is though, that the attitude prevalent in those posts that were quoted is quite accurate and points to the desperate extreme doomer mentality that pervades many regulars here.

I wonder what happened to Jack!! We all remember and love Jack.....with his oft repeated statement "Y2K Cannot be fixed!"

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), February 01, 2000.


Anyone else notice that Y2K Pro is the only one that cares about this crap? As Robert said, this is a huge place. But we keep seeing the same dozen lines. Y2K Pro waving the hate flag, over and over, saying this is YOU, this is TB2000! What does that say about Y2K Pro?

Well, it ain't me, and I'm sick of seeing it. Give it up Pro. Face it, you don't have a point. Nobody cares.

<:(=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.


Diane, let Andy Ray or Y2K Pro give you the URLs where these quotes are located. You've got enough to do without searching through all those posts and doing their work for them.

-- Laz-e-boy (reclining@the.den), February 01, 2000.

And again, and again, you distort past words...." The nasty folk over here were constantly wishing death on "those who have not prepared". "

Not so: some predicted death to those not preparing, and as winter events in north GA proved over only a ten-twenty hour timeframe, "severe discomfort resulting in potential rigor mortus" would have certainly occurred had any substantial numbers of US cities benn left without power.

Wishing for death" is much different than "predicting death." But since when has the administration cared for accuracy? Only in their agenda, their lies.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), February 01, 2000.


I imagine Y2kPro to live in a dank, dark and dirt encrusted hovel. It rarely sees daylight and smells of stale cigarettes, cheap gin and cat urine. Empty pizza boxes, McDonald's wrappers and half-eaten Twinkies and piles of dirty laundry litter the room. He wears a torn and stained t-shirt and greasy jeans that match the condition of his unkempt, shaggy hair. His beady eyes quickly dart over his computer monitor as dirty fingers rapidly strike his keyboard in search of another victim. He licks his cracked lips in anticipation. He needs to feed his inner monster. He needs the adrenaline rush of false importance. He sustains himself by feeding off of others' and it matters not to him what response he receives as long as he is acknowledged, by god! He is, after all, Lord Energy Vampire of Cyberspace, a legend in his own mind. A man who's truly *lost* his mind. And now...a man without a cyber home to dominate, subjugate and terrorize. He is lost, he is desperate, he has lost the game as his feeble efforts are discounted and scoffed at for the insanity they reveal.

Tsk, tsk, tsk....ain't karma a bitch?

-- LunaC (LunaC@LunaC.com), February 01, 2000.


Too funny. Y2k Pro and his/her friends use Nazi tactics to discredit entire groups. You may find more sympathy out in the Neo-Nazi enclaves in the various western states, pro. You and your witless posts are nothing but a waste of time here.

Too funny.

-- haha (haha@haha.com), February 01, 2000.


That's funny LunaC, because that's the picture I've always had in my mind about some of the more ridiculous doomsayers.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), February 01, 2000.

Let's give a nice warm welcome to Buddy from Bonkers.

-- Here's (the@welcome.wagon), February 01, 2000.

Hey Buddy how about going away and smoke your bonker somewhere else.

-- justwondering (justwondering@trollsareunstable.com), February 01, 2000.

This guy wants attention. Why give it to him? This isn't an outpatient facility.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), February 01, 2000.

Can you imagine Any media outlet that would even know what in the Hell this "press release" is about? If they know anything about Y2K do you think they would run this P.O.S.? I don't think the local Free Advertiser found in the laundrymat would even run this. And they're the paper with "the UFO kidnapped out cow" stories.

I'm thinking Andy Ray aspires to be another Poole.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), February 01, 2000.


"supporting the hatemongers"

Hey Pro, what in the hell are you talking about? I've made quite a few friends here over the past year. I've even made a few "polly" friends.

Take a look at my "car accident" threads if you want to see what the people here are really about. Caring, warm people. Heck, even you chimed in with a "get well soon", that wasn't "censored" by the way.

Listen Pro, I think just everyone here has at one time or another, said something that they were later sorry about, or didn't really mean, because of the "heat of the battle" as Robert said. It's no different on any other large forum. If you get enough people together, you can always find some pretty wacky things. People say the darndest things. Always have, allways will.

I consider FactFinder a friend, long before he started posting here. At least he had the guts to stand up and say "I'm sorry for calling some of you idiots." But what about you Pro? All you have done in the past several months here is dig-up 10 posts out of 300,000, and beat everyone over the head with them, again and again, day after day.

Give us all a break, and get on with your life. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.


It is truly amazing when you consider the venom and anger that made up the bulk of DeBonkers usual content. I do not endorse venom and hatred from EITHER camp. We have major disagreements, but I strongly suspect that 99% of the regulars here are thrilled that the rollover was essentially a non-event. There were NO winners per se...Polly or Doomer...just a bunch of relieved folks able to shed some of the anxiety of waiting for an event with an uncertain outcome.

Get over it! Get a Life!

-- Irving (irvingf@myremarq.com), February 01, 2000.


Hmmm...lots of posts talking to Y2K Pro, but he doesn't seem to be here again. I would like to see if the letters are worn off of Diane's delete key, lol. That has to be tiresome.

But the rest of the story - I don't like spamming, I don't like namecalling, but whatever the rules for a forum are, they should be applied equally. Y2k Pro was deleted from this forum because of his opinion, and that's a fact, regardless of the history revised "storyline" given out here. If he had been a doomer and heckled pollies, he would have a monument to him by now. I liked his humor... "get your tin foil hats on, Y2K's a commin'", lol.

Venom and anger? Shall I show you the threads at TB2000 that are the epitome thereof? We are all Pots and Kettles, calling each other black :)

-- FactFinder (david@bzn.com), February 01, 2000.


LUNA ROFL WHEN did you get a look inside my car???

# 3

-- I am a number (number@3.syo), February 01, 2000.


See my above answer Pro, since your post is "out of order", in more ways than one I think... <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.

And FactFinder,

I do consider you a friend, and wouldn't lie to you. I was here the day that Y2K Pro joined his friends, YouKnowWho at the time I believe, and posted the same message, over and over, one right after the other. I saw it with my own eyes.

Now, it's true that he didn't do it "as many times" as YouKnowWho, or LadyLogic, but he has done it. It's all just a big joke.

Maybe the treatment of Y2K Pro is too harsh. After all, he isn't "as big a pain" as others. You'll have to take that up with the Sysops.

But where do you draw the line? What do you consider SPAM? How many does it take before it's a problem? 10 posts? 25? A hunderd? And how many times? Once? Twice? Ten times?

I don't know about you, But I consider this now famous 10 lines of Y2K Pro's as SPAM. Oh, not posted one after the other, but posted day after day after day, time and time again. The same old, tired bullshit, again and again and again and again...

I'm tired of it. It doesn't speak for this forum. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.


Y2K Pro has put his foot in his mouth before too.

A better look at the Beech Grove, IN 'internment camp'

I could be wrong, but I suspect that Y2K Pro has strong, left-wing political beliefs, and those beliefs -- much more than Y2K -- is the reason Pro feels compelled to keep spamming this forum.

How was Y2K Pro ever able to stomach CPR's political views?

-- Middle (of@the.road), February 02, 2000.


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