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Fox news reporting a FAA confirmed 737 down in the LA area Alaska Airlines
-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), January 31, 2000
Alaska Airlines 737 from Puerta Vareta(sp) to San Franscisco has crashed 27 miles outside LA. It is in the ocean and rescue craft are encountering oil slick and a large debris field in the water .....
-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), January 31, 2000.
I thought the media spin was that "Planes won`t fall out of the sky." What happened?
-- Earl (earl.shuholm@worldnet.att.net), January 31, 2000.
earl,I think planes crashed "before" the rollover too. Surely you don't link this to Y2K ?
-- Rob (maxovrdrv51@hotmail.com), January 31, 2000.
January 30, 2000 Airbus 310 en route to Nigeria crashands into ocean minutes after take-off from Abidjan, Ivory Coast. 180 passengers; 7 survivorsJanuary 31, British Airways Boeing 747 makes emergency landing shortly after take-off (I believe): one engine fails.
Jnauary 31, Boeing 737 makes crash-landing into Pacific minutes after take-off.
Happens everyday. That's why its safer to fly than drive a car.
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-- Squirrel Hunter (nuts@upina.cellrelaytower), January 31, 2000.
Two planes in two days is not good. (One plane isn't so hot, either.)
-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), January 31, 2000.
Correction: The British Airways 747 made a safe landing on a Wasington D.C./London route. But the article posted about 30-40 threads down notes that that same emergency landing was the THIRD SUCH INCIDENT for British Airways in three days -- the other two incidents affected BA Concorde aircraft. In all three cases protocla directed emergency landing; ain all three cases causes are under investigation.>"<
-- Squirrel Hunter (nuts@upina.cellrelaytower), January 31, 2000.
Heat seeking infrared being used to locate survivors. Search and rescue approximately 5 miles off Santa Barbara shoreline.Fuselage upside down in 120' of water. Mexico reporting 60 passengers onboard.
-- Michael (mikeymac2@uswest.net), January 31, 2000.
Aircraft is re-identified as an MD-80 (DC-9). Reports are that the pilots contacted their destination of San Francisco, reported "mechanical difficulties" and requested to make an unscheduled landing at Los Angeles.This would indicate something was going on but they had not declared an emergency. If they had declared an emergency they were closer to Santa Barbara, Oxnard and Camarillo airports and Naval Air Station Point Mugu as well as Vandenburg Air Force Base fairly close to the north. And in an emergency the flight would be allowed to land at which ever airfield was closest, not just the civilian airfields.
WW
-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), January 31, 2000.
cnn.com has the story now with updated info and picture of debris field seen in water
-- phil (phillipmorris@mindspring.com), January 31, 2000.
FAA reporting 70 people, flight 261 down 20 miles offshore, no survivors found and not optimistic.
-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), January 31, 2000.
good job squirrel hunter!!! this is too strange? so many in two days. how about those train derailments. seem to be increasing.
-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), January 31, 2000.
Jet down near Los Angeles Alaska Airlines jet down in the oceanMSNBC News Services LOS ANGELES, Jan. 31 An Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 jetliner has reportedly crashed at sea near Santa Barbara, Calif. The plane, apparently en route from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, to Seattle, is upside down in the water, officials said.
-- (trying@to.help), January 31, 2000.
naw ........ tt. it is the rapid compression of time as we approach eternity that creates the illusion of accelerating events. just watch.>"<
-- Squirrel Hunter (nuts@upina.cellrelaytower), January 31, 2000.
Also, Pt Magu is VandenBerg AFB and where they send those rockets up from! What if......? Too terrible to think about
-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), January 31, 2000.
here are a couple more recent emergency landings to add to the pot. some are repeats i am sure. (i couldn't find the stories for most of these--they were gonzo.)Digital Missourian: Plane carrying Missouri Tigers basketball team makes emergency landing Plane carrying Missouri Tigers basketball team makes emergency landing Associated Press January 18, 2000 SPRINGFIELD, Mo. (AP) - A chartered plane carrying the University of Missouri basketball team made an emergency landing Monday night because of fears the plane was losing pressurization. The DC-9 charter with 34 people on board, including the crew and the Missouri traveling party,... Tue Jan 18 01:29 EST Columbia Missourian - Columbia MO
USAirways flight stopped on report of fumes; seven taken to hospitals FORT WAYNE, Ind. (AP) - A USAirways flight reporting fumes or smoke in the cabin... Fri Jan 15 19:00 EST Casper Star-Tribune - Casper WY
FOCUS-Third BA plane in emergency landing (Reuters) (Updates with Concorde engine change, BA comment) LONDON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - British Airways said one of its jumbo jets made an emergency landing at London's Heathrow airport on Monday, the third such incident in three days. The company also said it had replaced an engine on one of its supersonic Concordes recently as a ``precautionary'' measure in an unrelated case. - Jan 31 10:33 AM EST
Saturday January 22 12:55 AM ET Jet Makes Emergency Landing in Neb.
LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) - An American Airlines flight bound for Los Angeles made an emergency landing here Friday after its right engine lost oil pressure and filled the cabin with smoke.
The plane landed safely at 7:05 p.m. at Lincoln Municipal Airport. There were no injuries reported among the 125 people aboard the Boeing 757. The flight was en route from Newark, N.J., to Los Angeles, said John Wood, executive director of the Lincoln Airport Authority.
Joseph Sfez of Los Angeles said smoke in the damaged plane's cabin made it difficult to breathe. ``It was scary up there, very scary,'' he said. ``But the captain did a good job.''
The airlines sent another plane from Dallas to pick up the stranded passengers.
-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), January 31, 2000.
80's programmer told me,"Might be some problem with landing gear and infrared. Simply Stupid. (Don't flame me, not my words, but theirs)
-- Mebbe Not (s@mething.com), January 31, 2000.
It's been confirmed it was a 737, it's under about 660' feet... they've recovered a few bodies so far, but no survivors... if there are any, they need to get them out of the water, coast guard said hypothermia at current conditions typical persons is about 3 hours...Listening to the news in the background, FAA says it was a 737, but Boeing is saying it was a McDonald Douglas MD80... S.F. Airport also says it was a 737....
Lot of plane crashes, train wreaks, gas explosions, oil and sewage spills, refinery problems... humm, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quakes like a duck... then it just might be a f**king duck, ya think?
-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), January 31, 2000.
Sheri;Vandenburg is further up the coast, north of Santa Barbara... Pt. Mugu is a Naval Air Station... I've been wondering why they didn't try to bring it in to Mugu, or the Air National Guard base next to it.
Both have runways that handle the large military transports, I'm sure a 737 could have landed at either...
-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), January 31, 2000.
And I am scheduled to fly to D.C. soon! Where is KOS when you need him! Mud wrestling, non the less!
-- Mebbe Not (s@mething.com), January 31, 2000.
Looks like confirmation it was an 8 year old MD 83, not a 737....8 Years is still fairly new for an aircraft..
MD 83's supposedly have extensive redundant systems, and can fly with just one of its twin engines... not this time I guess...
-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), January 31, 2000.
ABC said that the plane 'fell 17,000 feet' in a news update that interuppted the movie 'Volcano.' Twice!
-- Postman (ringstwice@lw.ays), January 31, 2000.
Believe me guys, it's NOT y2k!It can't be, it shouldn't be, it MUST not be !
God bless the poor souls.
Take care
-- George (jvilches@sminter.com.ar), January 31, 2000.
The LA TV news just had an Alaska Airlines rep reporting that the pilot reported they were having a stabilizer problem and wanted to make an emergency landing at LAX. They didn't make it. Haven't there been some recent posts about stabilizer problems, perhaps on non-scheduled flights?
-- Norm Harrold (nharrold@terragon.com), January 31, 2000.
Sad.Been watching some of the news reports on TV. The S.F. area stations are covering it pretty heavily, since it was due to stop at SFO. When I fly, typically it's on Alaska Airlines.
Doubt it was Y2k related at all. Sure is "odd" though, with all the events going on globally. Or perhaps, we're just paying more attention to the anomalies.
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 31, 2000.
Oh, and the closest place to land would have been the Port Huename military base, past Malibu, or something in Ventura. Vandenberg AFB was too far away. (Dad used to work there).Area map...
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&YY= 27485&city=Malibu&state=CA&slt=34.0328&sln=-118.6875&mlt=34.2268&mln=- 119.2928&mag=4&cs=5&newmag=5
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 31, 2000.
SFO-Bound Alaska Airlines Jet Crashes
Michael Taylor, Tanya Schevitz, Chronicle Staff Writers; KRON
Monday, January 31, 2000
)2000 San Francisco Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/01/31/crashlede.DTL
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 31, 2000.
This page now up from Alaska Airlines:The latest posting there is
RELEASED AT 6:45 P.M. January 31, 2000ALASKA AIRLINES AIRCRAFT INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT
Alaska Airlines Flight 261 from Puerto Vallarta to San Francisco went down in the water late this afternoon approximately 20 miles off Point Magu, Calif. The flight carried 80 passengers and 5 crew (two pilots and three flight attendants). The crew radioed a problem with stabilizer trim and the plane was diverted to Los Angeles. Flight controllers lost radio contact with the crew at approximately 4:36 p.m. PST. The Coast Guard has been dispatched. The plane, a Boeing MD- 80, has no history of stabilizer trim problems. The tail number is 963. It was manufactured in 1992. The flight was enroute from Puerto Vallarta to San Francisco continuing to Seattle when the pilot radioed with the problem. The plane was diverting to Los Angeles International Airport when contact was lost. The airline will be releasing a passenger manifest as soon as possible. Alaska has established a hotline for friends and family at 1-800-553- 5117.
-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), February 01, 2000.
Diane;The closest place would not have been Pt. Hueneme, I live here and have worked in and around all the bases from Vandenburg down to Long Beach...
Hueneme doesn't have landing facilities, it's pretty much port facilities, but Mugu, a couple of miles away, does, as does the Air National Guard base next door to Mugu... both have runways adequate for a DC83 or 737 to land...
Could they have made it if they had been routed to one of those? I don't know, but it bothers me that with two facilities minutes from where they crashed, they were trying to make it back to LAX...
Carl
-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), February 01, 2000.
If they were fighting a rudder hard over they wouldn't necessarily have the pressence of mind to seek out the actual nearest landing field. Though one would LIKE to assume that they would have declared an emergency if they were fighting that.Unless they figgered they would recover since they were at what 17K ft??
C
-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), February 01, 2000.
Chuck;17K when you're in that kind of trouble isn't much with a bird that size... when they crash a few miles off shore from an airfield large enough to handle them, and they're trying to fly another 20 miles to LAX... somebody should answer to that one...
But they won't...
-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), February 01, 2000.
Here's the latest on the three British EmergenciesThree Emergencies In 3 Days For British Airways 5:25 am PST, 31 January 2000
Concern is growing and an inquiry has been launched after the third British Airways plane in three days was forced to make an emergency landing Monday.
In the latest incident, a 747 jumbo jet suffered an in-flight engine failure while enroute from Washington DC to Heathrow Airport. Airline officials say that there was no danger to passengers and a textbook landing was performed despite the engine having been shut down.
Both earlier incidents had involved the world's only commercial super- sonic passenger jet, the Concorde. On Sunday, a British Airways Concorde was forced to turn back to Heathrow after a warning light came on in the cockpit shortly after take-off. The light turned out to be a false alarm.
Another BA Concorde suffered an engine failure during its approach to Heathrow on a flight from Barbados. Again, the plane managed to land safely with the airline emphasizing that the plane is quiet capable of flying with as many as three engines out.
On Monday, British Airlines announced that it had replaced the engines on one of its Concordes following contamination during the repainting of the plane. Any suggestion of a linkage between the contamination of the engines on this plane and the incidents of this weekend was denied by the airline. They also denied that any of the three incidents were in any way related to each other.
http://7am.com/cgi-bin/wires02.cgi?1000_00013102.htm
-- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress@aol.com), February 01, 2000.
The possibility of engine failure or contaminated fuel causing this crash is raised in this report. Could airplanes worldwide be getting bad fuel as in Australia? Is anybody testing? :
Just 10 Survivors Found In Kenya Airways Crash
5:15 am PST, 31 January 2000
Despite the best efforts of rescuers who have been searching the waters of the Atlantic off the Ivory coast, just 10 survivors of the ill-fated Kenya Airways Airbus jet-liner have been recovered.
The jet, carrying a total of 179 people, plunged into the water just three minutes after it left Abidjan airport enroute to Lagos at around 9 pm Sunday night.
A rescue effort was immediately launched with helicopters and boats scouring the choppy seas in the black of night. Around 90 bodies have so far been located by the search crews and reports indicate that many of them have been badly mutilated by the impact of the crash.
The cause of the crash is not yet clear although survivors and eye- witnesses on the ground both observed that the plane failed to gain height and appeared to be lacking power.
Aviation experts have suggested likely causes of this behavior could be the failure of an engine, possibly due to bird-strike; or contaminated fuel which might have affected both engines.
The black box flight recorder from the plane has yet to be recovered.
http://7am.com/cgi-bin/wires02.cgi?1000_00013101.htm
-- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress@aol.com), February 01, 2000.
No, none of this is related to y2k because its not supposed to be. Now I wonder if there are some EOM maintenance y2k bugs causing some of these engine shut downs? We are at the end of the month.
-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), February 01, 2000.
For those who'd like to learn what's happening elsewhere and not have it filtered throught the Censored News Network, here are a few directories of newspapers around the world.and one of my favorite newspapers from the other side of the world, that gives excellent news, often about what's going on back here that you won't find in the mainstream.
Dawn (from Pakistan)
-- Interested Spectator (is@the_ring.side), February 01, 2000.
Well, I just know planes and trains have always been crashing this frequently. I just wasn't paying close attention.
-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), February 01, 2000.