Does carnvckt play back?

If it records and plays back under MAME33b4, even if it wasn't added until the MAME35 series, surely it's ok?

Aren't the games which don't record at all what we're really interested in?

Crash.

-- Crash (crash@tcp.co.uk), January 31, 2000

Answers

If a game wasn't added until 35, then it's impossible to record it using 33b4. So if people are submitting scores on carnvckt, then those were not recorded using carnvckt, but a different version of that game. Wasn't there a rule that said it was not allowed to record on one game and submit it on another, even if it plays back fine?

What is really happening here, is that people can now basically upload twice for the same game!!! So they record on carnival and upload to carnival, then record on carnival again (or, even worse, use the same recording (not allowed!)) and submit it to carnvckt. Is that fair? And has it ever been determined if the two games really are identical? Take this a little bit further, and I could record some game and upload it to a completely different game. After all, it plays back fine...

So: (1) A recording made using carnvckt will not play back correctly, regardless of which version of MAME is used. (2) No recording made on any game using any version of MAME will play back correctly on carnvckt, regardless of which version of MAME is used.

In other words, you can't record anything correctly with carnvckt, and you can't play back anything correctly with carnvckt, so people are uploading things to carnvckt that don't have anything to do with carnvckt in the first place. So carnvckt should be put on the banned games list, just like the other games for which recordings don't play back correctly.

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), January 31, 2000.

OK. Here's a nice way of putting it:

Any recording uploaded to carnvckt that plays back fine will (1) have been recorded using carnival (not carnvckt), and (2) only play back fine using carnival (not carnvckt). Ergo, it belongs in the carnival category, not in the carnvckt category...

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), January 31, 2000.

D'oh! I made myself look more stoopid than usual there, didn't I? :)

I got completely the wrong end of the stick, thinking the game was there in m33b4 and not working. Obviously if it didn't exist in m33b4, then you couldn't type 'mame carnvckt' at all.

Got ya. Ban it. :)

Crash.

-- Crash (crash@tcp.co.uk), January 31, 2000.

Yes I also agree to ban it and I gonna edit my score to deleted . A remark : I think there is also the same problem with sspaceat (playback only with 33b4) and sspacatc (arrived in a 35beta)

I made myself a list of few games which only playbacks with 33b4 : carnival - cosmica - invds - invho2 -pulsar - samurai - sspaceat - tranqgun . Could someone complete my list ?

-- phil (plamat@club-internet.fr), January 31, 2000.

Actually, carnvckt was already banned a while back through a 9-1 vote in favour of banning...

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), January 31, 2000.

I think tranq gun was added in 33b5, which puts it in the same "no valid scores" position as carnvct.

Aqua

-- Aquatarkus (aquatarkus@digicron.com), February 01, 2000.

Aqua: I WAS able to load tranqgun into m33b4... unless my mind went awall on me... :)

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@yahoo.com), February 01, 2000.