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Sorry, in a rush, so just posting Beach's email:
"Never say that you are falling - until you hit the ground."
The philosophy of Buzz Lightyear and the Russians, and DOE.
Turns out that because of Refinery Problems (remember, they weren't having any) the Russians may have to turn off the lights in Eastern Russia.
Power shortages in Russian Far East region reach critical point Source: BBC Monitoring Former Soviet Union - Political Publication date: Jan 28, 2000 Text of report in English by Russian news agency ITAR-TASS
Vladivostok, 28th January: Serious fuel shortages in Maritime Territory in the Russian Far East have resulted in a critical situation in power supply to the Territory. Today, managers of the Dalenergo [Far East Energy] enterprise warned the head of district administrations and municipalities about possible sudden power cut-offs to consumers. The Dalenergo board has asked the municipal authorities to take urgent measures to ensure uninterrupted work of vitally important facilities and enterprises.
Dmitriy Tarasov, Dalenergo chief engineer, said that the situation in the Maritime power grid worsened because of accidents and unstable work of the LuTEK fuel company.
Since 22nd January power supplies have been curtailed toindustrial enterprises and public utilities services inMaritime. Power supplies to the Territory from elsewhere beyond the Maritime has been increased to a technically maximum level exceeding 400 megawatt
--------------- And then to top that off:
As rumoured for a while Chernobyl is having to shut down again.
And to top off the top - The DOE in INTERNAL briefings is saying that the current gasoline price rises are due to REFINERY PROBLEMS!
"... refinery outages at the end of the week sent more buyers into the market as local supplies were temporarily drained, and prices spiked."
(Right Buzz! Never admit it to your public!) I will always believe every word that you tell me - but I will always wonder what you are not telling me.
These were all TODAY's reports (actually Friday January 28th.) But I doubt that you will read it today in the newspaper named TODAY or any other main stream media newspaper.
Are you keeping track of the countries that I have told you about that are having UNUSUAL refinery problems this month (January - the first month after the Y2K rollover). Venezuela, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Russia (and these are only the one's that we have been able to document). Nope, the official word is: OTHER countries didn't prepare (wanna bet?) and they aren't having any problems so it was all unnecessary. There is and was no such thing as a Y2K problem.
Just yesterday in the U.S. a big half million gallon oil spill when a pipeline valve failed. Another natural gas pipeline explosion. A refinery problem causing a shutdown. And the shutting down of a nuclear reactor. All this on top of the 4 other problems earlier in the week including the chemical plant fire.
This is not Glitch Central so I am not going to give you links to all this. Still, none of this is a problem, (unless you happen to be someone like a trucker trying to pay the fuel prices).
Life is still sweet. So why listen to a gloom sayer. There is no problem until the media says there is a problem.
Peace and love, Bruce Beach firstname.lastname@example.org
-- Bill P (email@example.com), January 29, 2000
In response to the last sentance in the post above I have always been amazed at the machine (ALL MEDIA)that reports to us and how what they say is taken without question by the masses as being true.
-- J (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 29, 2000.
J--- Amen to that---and THAT is the most frightning of all.
-- jeile (email@example.com), January 29, 2000.
Acted as press secretary for two gubernatorial campaigns and one congressional campaign. U.S. media is corporate puppet with massive powers to disinform...and they do that very well...
-- nancy (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 29, 2000.
I think if you read this thread, it may have something to do with your "Pressing-and-Scary-Oil-Crisis-Problem."
"Gee, i dunno...what do you think?"
"Personally, I think we should just keep talking it, find some real solutions, and ignore 'em. Then, maybe go find another interesting thread to talk about, report a few more "oil problem" stories?"
What do you suggest?
-- steve (WhoCares@nymore.Right?.con), January 29, 2000.
Whoaaa . . . high oil prices??? . . . Bruce better hide back in his bunker until this life-threatening storm passes eh?
Seriously though. Please stop posting messages from Bruce Beach. He's never had any credibility and never will. He's been hiding in bunkers for 30 years now. Just let the gopher alone and ignore him.
-- third party (email@example.com), January 29, 2000.
It appears there is better than an outside chance that preppers were right in essence, wrong in the timing and look 'n feel of how a collapse would happen.
National level fuel emergencies are now declared in Russia, Ukraine and Zimbabwe. The US doesn't appear to be far behind. And yet nothing is failing (embeddeds and the like). Every day a major oil or gas pipeline explodes - at least one. Every day either a nuke SCRAMS or a fossil refinery has to cut down production. This week was a doozy. We cannot continue at this pace without some serious shit hitting the fan.
Diesel in Manchester, Massachusetts is 2.09 today and we've heard of 2.25 or higher in upstate NY. Heating oil is now about 1.87 and you cannot fill up if you want more than 200 gallons in some areas. They can't get all they need (the delivery guys) and they smell a really big rat taking a really big dump right before our eyes. Yet, it's all Super Bowl talk this weekend. Zzzzzzz - the masses do truly sleep until we are OUT compeletely. Then they'll raise hell. Oops, too late. Preps happen **before** a crisis, not after.
-- paul leblanc (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 29, 2000.
>>Dmitriy Tarasov, Dalenergo chief engineer, said that the situation in the Maritime power grid worsened because of accidents AND UNSTABLE WORK OF THE LUTEK FUEL COMPANY.<<
Can someone knowledgeably explain what the phrase in caps is referring to? One dictionary definition of "unstable" is "unfixed". This generalized summary is very vague. Even the "accidents" reason suggests "something" has seriously run amok.
As for (once again, of irrelavence) WHO stated certain verifiable facts, it doesn't matter if it's Chicken Little or The Man in the Moon who said it. the question is whether it is true or not and an accurate depiction of events.
As concerning all the reports that have been coming in this month -- geometrically increasing with intensity despite the denunciations that none of it is Y2K-RELATED, I think that it is still just a matter of time before this thing implodes and collapses to the point where it is obvious that, little by little, the situation has gotten out of control because of glitch erosion.
About the situation of the US not being far behind, could it be that there was a lot of string pulling behind the scenes to divert oil here in the interest of the US, thereby only temporarily post-poning the inevitable? I'm reminded of an ominous, almost "tabloidesque" sounding article about a picture of what the Former Soviet Union is predicted to look like this year (see below). Seems to me like this is starting to come to pass; even with nuclear concerns. It's true: Could the US be far behind?
From the St. Petersburg Times
Disappointed by Y2K? Disaster Aplenty In Store for Russia
By Jen Tracy
Y2K may have proved disappointing, but an entire new year of imminent disasters promises to make up for it - so the prognosis goes. For Russia, the year 2000 could very well be one of deadly atomic explosions, radioactive fallout, nuclear waste catastrophes, floods and fires. And the prophet isn't Nostradamus this time around, but Russia's Emergency Situations Ministry. The potential disasters awaiting Russia were laid out in great detail on Monday by Emergency Ministry specialists in the Russian daily newspaper Segodnya. By their confirmed expert accounts, there are few safe places to be found in Russia's 11 time zones. Given the nature of the potential disasters - most being of a nuclear nature - there's relatively little citizens can do to protect themselves. At the very least, drinking the water here is inadvisable. If the past is anything to go on, Russia's future crop of bad news will verge on the apocalyptic. A roundup of 1999's headlining disasters reads like a page out of Revelations: "Locusts Attack Siberian Crops"; "3 Electrocuted on Bus"; "Chernobyl Still Causing Health Woes"; "Nuclear Plant Ablaze"; "Radioactive Fish Fed to Orphans"; "Radioactive Cranberries Discovered in Market"; "Toxic Sludge Threatens St. Pete Water." Topping off the Ministry's list of potential disasters this year are imminent nuclear catastrophes - all too familiar to survivors of Chernobyl - at any number of the country's atomic energy plants, nuclear waste dumps and nuclear recycling plants with facilities badly in need of serious repair. According to the Ministry, Russia's nuclear energy complexes are all located within 30 kilometers of 1,300 populated places; catastrophes at these plants would endanger the lives of 4 million people. Of particular concern to the Ministry are nuclear waste containers buried in the Karsky Sea, which are sending a flow of radioactive water to the shores of Newfoundland, exceeding radiation safety levels by as much as 10 times. Specialists are analyzing the safety conditions of all such plants and are confident that in the near future, all such facilities will be in stable working order - but for now, questions concerning the safety of these plants have been raised. Explosions, fires and automobile accidents - as well as more natural disasters like floods, earthquakes and landslides - should keep the Ministry busy as well. During the first 11 months of last year, 26,944 people died in automobile accidents. The Emergency Ministry says one way to cut down on such deaths in 2000 is to improve action time on the part of ambulance drivers and police. The time it takes for injured persons to receive treatment or help at the scene of an accident leads to many otherwise preventable deaths, said Mikhail Shakhramanyan, the man behind the Ministry's grim prophecy. Ministry specialists also predict between 50 and 60 human catastrophes a month. The most troublesome months apparently will be February, April and December. Fires in residential buildings, careless throwing away of dangerous chemicals, exploding pipes and electrical fires in communal apartments and collapsing buildings are the most common of Russia's such disasters. Shakhramanyan and his colleagues say these are most likely to happen in Moscow, the Moscow Oblast, St. Petersburg, Irkutsk, Kamchatka, Kemerovo, Magadan, Perm, Sverdlovsk Oblast, Chitinsky Oblast, Yakutsky Krai and Krasnoyarsksky Krai. Floods are predicted for between April and June for the Arkhangelsk and Vologodsky Oblasts, the Komi Republic and the Krasnoyarsky Krai, as well as the Nenetsky and Chukotsky regions. As for acts of terrorism in 2000, the Ministry says the fate of the future is entirely in the hands of politics. Despite its somewhat apocalyptic tone, the Monday article was apparently not intended to cause widespread panic. "Of course, it's not set in stone that Russia will experience all of these predicted disasters," Shakhramanyan said.
-- Patrick Lastella (Lastella1@aol.com), January 29, 2000.