OT: Does the Right know their ass from a hole in the ground?

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Ronald Reagon: Sold arms to Iran, betraying our promise with Irag. Cut taxes.

George Bush: Promised to cut taxes. Raised taxes. Won the Gulf War, insuring Saudi Arabia's security. Didn't tell our servicemen that they were being poisened with chemicals and denied it when there was illness and evidence to the contrary.

Bill the slime Clinton: Wagged the dog in the Balkens. Stopped wanton murder. Attempted to give all Americans health insurance. Promoted a law that allowed all Americans to keep their health insurance when losing a job. Proposed a law lowering the cost of prescription drugs for elderly Americans. Let a few minorities have a voice. Never tried to take away their guns. Made assholes out of the right.

-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.net), January 28, 2000

Answers

Infidel: BRAVO!

-- Shoo (flyonthewalls@yahoo.com), January 28, 2000.

Excuse me but i'm a bit confused here. I thought this forum was started to discuss Y2K and issues that were related to such? What happened or is it just time for me to move on and find another forum that can answer my Y2K questions? Just wondering.

-- David Whitelaw (Dande53484@aol.com), January 28, 2000.

Infidel; Fool.

-- JB (noway@jose.com), January 28, 2000.

" stopped wanton murder?" hahahahahahahahahaha. Actually it isn't very funny. Let's start with the many murders of adults directly related to him over the years.....depending on who is researching the subject it ranges up to 90 or more. Let's continue with the persons who happen to be growing inside abdomens instead of eggs in nests - how many million murdered is that? Not too many who get the back of their head slit while being born and the brains sucked out, but enough to improve the total. Let's add all the people getting aids because the politically correct types have Clinton at their side, while they try to convince teenegers that gay is O.K. and any kid who feels a normal desire for adult male interest and affection is really homosexual. He's murdering plenty of boys that way. Not everything he does is wrong, or everything republicans stand for is right.I'm with you for some level of health coverage. But give us a break please on the murder bit.

-- ohplease (gimme@a.break), January 28, 2000.

Bill Clinton: draft-dodging, dope smoking, womanizing, felon; had his wife attempt, in secret, to take over 1/7th of the economy; still illegally has 900+ FBI files on private citizens; his goal is to eliminate guns from law abiding citizens...... the list goes on and on.....absolutely horrific!

-- Who me? (Who me?@here.there), January 28, 2000.


Yes I'm sorry to say Bill the Sline Clinton invented abortion and is fully responsible. He also invented homosexuality. Yes, he realized that it is a part of this world and always has been. So, why not try and stop the violence.

We've got six billion and growing. Lets do away with abortion. God will rescue us.

Our beloved God allows the chinese to boil cats alive. Children in the third world to starve. And allows the religeous right to have tongues.

You've only got one year, who you going to blame then?

-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.net), January 28, 2000.


Hey there -Infidel- You are such a pathetic whiny little left winger. I copy everything you print and it goes in the closet with my huge supply of toilet paper. I'm darn proud I've got 2 years supply of everything and now you are contributing to the cause. Thanks a lot.

-- Liberal Hater (liberty@bell.com), January 28, 2000.

Infidel, you've managed to list all the shortcomings of the Reagan and Bush presidencies, and all the (real and imagined) accomplishments of the Clinton presidency, in three concise paragraphs. You've made the Republican case as well as any right- winger might.

-- Markus Archus (markus@archus.com), January 28, 2000.

Liberal Hater,

You da man, I couldn't ask for a more complete representitive of a hopeless world.

Bet I got more toilet paper than you do, and two ply softness.

I told you before, I'm not a liberal, I just know when something stinks.

Cheers,

-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.net), January 28, 2000.


--I have a solution, everyone stop voting for any democrat, or any republican. Minnesota showed that it was possible, despite all the experts and polls and media manipulation. Shocked heck outta the establishment there. I say keep shocking them, shock them ALL back to having to get a real job. Stop the pickpockets, and the lobbyists paid shills.

--this whole "left and right" as being the ONLY two ways to think or be political is getting old. Real old. There ARE alternatives. No one has to be led by the nose anymore into picking the lesser of two totally obnoxious choices every time they belly up to the voting booth just because some "media" keeps telling you that's the only choices you have. Just takes some thinking, and the realization that your personal vote is precious. If you head to the polls all a-tremble because you think your vote will be "wasted", then why vote at all? stay home, watch tv instead. vote for Oprah. or Rosie. Because either of the two "major" parties cares squat about you, one party wants to pick your pocket and buy votes with half of it, and stick the other half in their pockets. The other party wants to pick your pocket and give half to multinationals and stick the other half in their pockets. Phooie on both of them. Time to move on, the times be changin'. Just say NO to tired political party's, tired politicians, and old ideas of more laws, more taxes and less freedom.

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), January 28, 2000.



Infidel, we've got a lot more than a year. We'll be living with the societal decay resulting from Clinton's presidency for years to come, just as we've lived with the prosperity resulting from the Reagan/Bush era for the past seven years, and watched Clinton take credit for it.

-- Markus Archus (markus@archus.com), January 28, 2000.

Infidel apparently has an attention span problem. Where was BC when Serbians were being killed two years before the US started bombing? You must be a racist Serb hater to ignore the crimes committed against the Serbs and recognize only crimes committed by them. Racist trash.

-- haha (haha@haha.com), January 28, 2000.

Markus,

Yes, your right, I left out many contributions of my man Ronald Reagan. He surgically disemboweled communisnm. It was a thing of beauty.

Unfortunately, many have tried to ride his coattails and it just doesn't work. You know who I'm talking about?

Cheers,

-- Infidel (Barbarians@thegate.net), January 28, 2000.


Zog, if the upcoming nominations of three Supreme Court justices wasn't so damned important I think I'd do it. Plus, Perot's efforts gave us 8 years of Bill and the coming economy might not be able to afford that as well as present one has.

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), January 28, 2000.

David:

You haven't been here long enough.

Best wishes,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 28, 2000.



Infidel - Riding Reagan's coattails? Yes, I know who you're talking about. Clinton, of course. He not only takes credit for the prosperity resulting from Reagan's accomplishments, he takes credit for the ongoing steering of the economy by Reagan appointee Greenspan, and all of the accomplishments (e.g. welfare reform, budget balancing and surplus) achieved by the Republican-controlled Congress since the 1994 elections.

-- Markus Archus (markus@archus.com), January 28, 2000.

Carlos, you're absolutely right. I hate to say it, I know it sounds cynical, but sometimes it's more important to vote to defeat the worst candidate than to elect the best candidate. I had a good friend (husband of my wife's cousin) who ran for U.S. Senate as a Libertarian a few years back. I agreed with his entire agenda, but I voted for the Republican, because I felt the Democrat in that particular race was so far left that I had to vote the way that I thought would best ensure keeping her out of office.

-- Markus Archus (markus@archus.com), January 28, 2000.

Infidel, you're confused. The presidents you named merely followed orders. Zog, you're right, and Markus, the libertarians have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams through the internet and the subsequent glastnost of political dissent.

-- Okie Dan (brendan@theshop.net), January 28, 2000.

Zog, they ARE all swine who take us for idiots. I'm not happy about it but there it is...

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), January 29, 2000.

Infidel, after the forum has digested all the spin in the media on y2k (whether intentional or through ignorance), it is understandable and ironically on topic at this point to express the generalized ramifications of the political/media relationship. Also to apply the spin to political schema as a tool to gain insight into TPTB and why the system functions thusly.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 29, 2000.

zog: "dittoes"
All: You can always come up with a "good reason", such as who gets to appoint Supremes, to continue voting Republicrat. You don't get it -- neither a Republicat President or a Republicrat President has appointed a true freedom-loving Constitutionalist in generations. Sure, the right wing (Bush, Forbes, McCain) of the Republicrat Party might appoint one who agrees with the religious wackos on abortion, but will escalate the war on the people (aka drug war and money laundering). Sure the left wing (Gore, Bradley) of the Republicrat Party may "protect" the right of a woman to choose, but will escalate the war on the people (aka political correctness, the "nanny" state, factional demagogery, gun laws, and also drug war and money laundering.)

You have got to realize that if you keep voting for the same crap politicians, all you're going to get to vote for is crap politicians.,

-- A (A@AisA.com), January 29, 2000.


A,Zog

I must echo your sentiments with a big HELL YES!!!

How long will it take for everyone to realize there isn't a dimes worth of difference between our two main political parties.They are professional politicians (con artists and criminals),not what the founders envisioned,a country where people cared and stood vigulant guard for our freedoms,where one would serve his/her public duty with honor and return to their former occupations or in another capacity for the public interest.

Do a little research and give the Libertarian ideology some consideration.

Your freedom may depend on it.

-- Common Man (me@libertytree.com), January 29, 2000.


Everyone has just described why I find Alan Keyes so exciting. I've yet to see any good arguement against his obvious agenda of restoring our Constitution and protecting what's left of it. If there is one, I'm sure I can find it here.....

:)

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 29, 2000.


Will, got my *I'M A KEYESTEER* t-shirts made tuesday. Gonna wear one even to the booth in Nov when I wind up voting for Bush.

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), January 29, 2000.

Yes Carlos, I fully intend to vote my heart and then later vote with my brain, just as you suggested, LOL. I just noticed that Keyes is in 2nd place (23%) to Bush (33%) in the vote.com 'election'.

Where did Hawk, Infidel and the rest of the left go? I'm sure the name 'Keyes' strikes fear in the hearts of infidels.....

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 29, 2000.


Right, Left and In Between --- read Gerry Spence's From Freedom to Slavery.

Spence writes (quoted for educational purposes only):

"For more than two hundred years, like evil trmites, disenfranchising ideas have gnawed away at the suporting timbers of American democracy. From the beginning, women have been vassalized. So have minorities. So have workers and artists and lovers of the earth. Far more deracinating is the historic progression in America that finds living people governed by non- living corporations, that in a democracy non-living corporations should own our legislatures, buy our presidents, select our judges, possess our airways, pollute our rivers, foul our oceans, and poison our skies.

"It is a wholly radical idea that people should be encouraged to hoard wealth without restraint, to nurture their avarice to full madness without caring for their less-fortunate neighbors who have been exploited in the process. It is a radical idea that we should destroy the earth, our home, and that we should ardently demand an unlimited right to continue in the demented act of terracide. The most radical of all ideas is that profit is more important than human dignity, more sacred than human life. Over the years those in power have endowed these radical, often cruel and illogical rules with the dignity of right and law. That which is patently unjust has become justice. That which is obviously wrong has become right. That which opposes the position of power has always been labeled as radical."

It's naive to think that whoever wins this next election will enter the temple and chase out the moneychangers. Tweedledum and Tweedledee serve the same masters.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), January 29, 2000.

Infidel

Not a bad list if your goal is a socialist state here in the good 'ol USofA.

Commie!

-- oboy (oboy@oboy.cxom), January 29, 2000.


I read Spence's book Tom, and it certainly makes the case. If he hadn't been called in as counsel on the Silkwood case, Kerr-McGee would probably have gotten off with a pat on the back. I also suggest David Korten's book, When Corporations Rule the World. As Edward Abbey said, "We have the best politicians that money can buy."

Hey infidel, Willie's not as slick as Geo., Bush Sr., Wasn't that a slick move he made pardoning Reagan's hencemen just before he left office.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), January 30, 2000.


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