OT: Alan Keyes

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Please vote for this man.

-- Longshot (a@b.com), January 26, 2000


I watched some of the Republican Caucus the other night, and I was fit to be tied! The woman who came up to "speak for" Alan Keyes was extremely inarticulate (probably frightened) and gave a very meager recommendation. Later, when the groups separated into precincts, another woman said, "I'm going to vote for Bush. I really like Alan Keyes. He's very exciting, but he can't win, so I'll be voting for Bush." What a slap in Alan Keye's face. If EVERYBODY who liked him voted for him or wrote him in, he'd win. The people really are impressed with his patriotism, his knowledge of the Constitution, and his fearless moral stand. We need this man in the White House to remove the bitter "aftertaste" of what has been in there for the last 8 years.

-- Liz (lizpavek@hotmail.com), January 26, 2000.

He's probably running as a Republican...I'm not sure they allow them on the ballot in Hawaii...

But I'll certainly consider him...

PS - I'm pro gun control...I just define it as hitting what you aim at!

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), January 26, 2000.

Guess who came in third in the Iowa caucus? Guess who got bupkis in news coverage while so doing?

My teenaged son and I watched one of the debates a few weeks ago. As they progressed, my son kept saying things like, "Whoa, is Alan Keyes great or what?"

So glad Ambassador Keyes is in the race. Wish he was getting a fairer shake from the media...

-- DeeEmBee (macbeth1@pacbell.net), January 26, 2000.

Republocrats - one in the same.

-- Dan G (thepcguru@hotmail.com), January 26, 2000.

Keyes the next VP with Bush the Pres whachathink? That possibility is real.

-- Scooter (brucej@infoave.net), January 26, 2000.

All collectivists (fascists, commies, socialists, naziis, liberals, conservatives, theocrats) -- just different flavors -- FUGGEDDABOUDIT!

-- A (A@AisA.com), January 26, 2000.

I seem to recall that Mr. Keyes used to work for the less-than-competent Jeane Kirkpatrick, when she was US Ambassador to the UN. Ms. Kirkpatrick had the interesting theory that authoritarian regimes should be supported (since they could reform themselves!) and totalitarian ones should not be.

I guess those being tortured in authoritarian regimes backed by Uncle Sam-onella should be grateful that their oppressors will one day become democrats (small "d").

I'd love to see Al Gore and George the Shrub merge into one ticket. On matters of money, world power, US control of the global economy (WTO), there's not a whit of difference between them.

By the way, I think that Mr. Keyes managed to get about 30% of the vote in the Maryland Senate race a number of years ago. He DID manage to pay himself a very respectable salary during the campaign, and I'm sure that he's paying himself a very respectable salary during his short-lived egotistical exercise known as presidential campaigning.

-- windandsolar (mark@windandsolar.com), January 26, 2000.

As things look right now Keyes is getting my vote.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), January 26, 2000.

Keyes - a fantasy I'm sure, but what the heck? We can dream, can't we? In this wierd world, perhaps a V.P. is possible. . .

-- Magnolia (magnoolia@yahoo.com), January 26, 2000.

We're newbies to this forum -- been following all you great people for about a year -- this is our first post. YES!! VOTE for Keyes. Just saw the debate -- he's phenomenally intelligent, articulate, morally straight, with high, high integrity. Have known of him for years. It's his time! Go to http://www.vote.com and cast your vote. He's winning on this debate tonight -- WAY ahead of all other candidates. Good man!

-- Leon and Melba Hale (leonhale@cwdom.dm), January 26, 2000.

Keyes is the only option available if the constitution means anything to you at all.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 26, 2000.

Keyes is a total nut case. He is always getting agitated, and goes on and on with his answers. One reporter said that the media are waiting for him to have a heart attack during a debate.

But come to think of it, why not elect Keyes for president? We have had everything else: liars, thieves, murderers, and traitors. Could a lunatic be any worse?

-- MoonWalk (moon@walk.com), January 26, 2000.

I have been following Alan Keyes for about 5 years now, and I have never heard anyone present the American philosophy of government as well as he. I am planning on voting for him. Anyone who thinks he is a politician needs to watch how the establishment relates to him (especially the press). His own party barely acknowledges his presence on the ticket.

Perhaps his rejection by the traditional parties and the news media is his greatest qualification.


-- Gene (ekbaker@essex1.com), January 26, 2000.

Why am I doing this. The thread will disappear without further interest. Would I vote for this man? No. I just don't agree with him. Most of the country doesn't agree with him. He can't win in any position. I am not a religous fundamentalist. I don't wish to be forced to be one by federal law. Enough said.

Best Wishes,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 26, 2000.

I forgot to mention; I think that Keyes and, either, RC or Ron would make a good running group. Throw in the chem-trail people for the cabinet and you would have a winning combination.

Best Wishes,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 26, 2000.


That Keyes prefers to be addressed as *Dr* or *Ambassador* bothers. Still, I had my *I'M A KEYESTER* t-shirt made today.

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), January 26, 2000.

Keyes has my vote among the Republicans. By the way, he is not a fundamentalist Christian. He is a Roman Catholic who happens to take the Constitution and our liberty (for the unborn and born) seriously.

Still having a faint residue of granola on my brain from my youth, I don't think he's going to fight for clean air and clean water...Which is a shame, because pollution is an issue that is necessarily a public one that supercedes private property by virtue of the fact that we all have to breathe the same air and drink from the same water sources. Furthermore, I haven't heard a single candidate vouch for the idea that we as a nation MUST take drastic steps to become more energy- independent from those maniacs in the Middle East.

Nevertheless, Keyes speaks to me on the grounds that his articulate political philosphy jives with mine more than any other. Plus you know darn well he's going to raise some serious Cain amongst the smug arrogance and condescending paternalism of War-shington.

-- greenorb (greenorb@nowhere.com), January 26, 2000.

Keyes can't be bought, rented, or owned.

He _can_, however, be _elected_, if enough people get off their asses and vote for him.

[insert Nike slogan here]

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 27, 2000.

I feel Keyes is the only truly honest candidate. You will never get a wishy washy answer from him to any question. Go to www.keyes2000.org/issues_and_speeches/index.shtml for a short speech on his views on ecology.

-- Lucy (lifeisgoodhere@webtv.net), January 27, 2000.

I think Keyes is the best thing that is being offered up right now, however, he has one fault. His stand on taxing internet sales, he is for it! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that. And he is the only one supporting it at this time. My hubby wrote to him and told him that we believe he has a large base in the internet community and he might want to reconsider his position about that. I honestly believe if we took a vote tomorrow on the internet only he would win the presidency, but....with his stand on taxing the internet that is going to discourage many people. I hope others will write him and urge him to reconsider his stand on this issue. I really love the guy.

-- writeto (myguy@internet.com), January 27, 2000.

Either you don't see the full picture, or you're obsessed with the stoopit Inet to the point that you'd let it become your personal monkey trap.

Keyes wants to ELIMINATE the income tax, and _replace_ it with a sales tax.

Get it?

Now, explain to me -- in that scenario -- exactly what Special Factor makes the Inet _so_ sacrosanct as to remain a tax-free port?

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 27, 2000.

Don't vote -- it only encourages the A-Holes.

BTW, the Fix is on. It will be Gore vs. Bush, with George W. winning handily. Same story, different election cycle.

-- phoneman (bcrefrig@excelonline.com), January 27, 2000.

The fix may be in, but I'm voting for Keyes in the primary.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 27, 2000.

Sluggo makes an excellent point about Keyes' tax plan. It's the ONLY plan that has EVERYBODY paying their fair share of tax, including organized crime, drug dealers or anyone else involved in illegal activity.

Could we please can the 'special interest group' crap just once? Voting in the best interest of the country would be so very refreshing for a change. Naturally, one would need to admit there are bigger things in life than yourself.

It's so very hopeless.........

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 27, 2000.

Keyes has my vote. The first time I heard him speak, I was hooked. I'm more hooked now than ever.

A few choice Keyes quotes, from Keyes 2000.

On Gun Control:

"This debate is not about certain kinds of weapons that kill people; all kinds of weapons can kill. It is people that kill people, and they can use countless kinds of weapons to do so, if killing is in their hearts."

"And the 2nd Amendment was not put into the Constitution by the Founders merely to allow us to intimidate burglars, or hunt rabbits to our hearts' content. This is not to say that hunting rabbits and turkeys for the family dinner, or defending against dangers, were not anticipated uses for firearms, particularly on the frontier - this is true.

But above all, the Founders added the 2nd Amendment so that when, after a long train of abuses, a government evinces a methodical design upon our natural rights, we will have the means to protect and recover our rights. That is why the right to keep and bear arms was included in the Bill of Rights."

On Abortion:

"Our rights, including the right to life, are unalienable"

On Affirmative Action:

"...preferential affirmative action patronizes American blacks, women, and others by presuming that they cannot succeed on their own."

On the UN:

"...it is more important that the United States of America should survive in freedom than that the United Nations should survive at all."

On Religion/School Prayer:

"The free exercise of religion means nothing if, in connection with the ordinary events and circumstances of life, individuals are forbidden to act upon their religious faith."

"I oppose any efforts to use government power to impose views that contravene religious conscience on matters such as homosexuality and abortion."

On Sex Education:

"Sex education is, as a rule, the private responsibility of the parents. The government should not usurp this role. Where parents choose to encourage school-based instruction, I strongly support abstinence-based approaches for young adults."

-- Powder (Powder47keg@aol.com), January 27, 2000.

Lucy, thanks for the link, it has convinced me that I couldn't possibly vote for Keyes.

-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), January 27, 2000.

I can see why he is considered a nut case.

On Religion/School Prayer:

"The free exercise of religion means nothing if, in connection with the ordinary events and circumstances of life, individuals are forbidden to act upon their religious faith."

"I oppose any efforts to use government power to impose views that contravene religious conscience on matters such as homosexuality and abortion."

Well my religious conscience says that abortion is a woman's right, and gay marraige should be recognized, but Mr. Keyes is prepared to override it and deprive me of the freedom to act on it.

The only good thing I can think of is that he's too crazy to be really dangerous.

-- kermit (colourmegreen@hotmail.com), January 27, 2000.

Too bad your progenitors didn't feel the same way you do...you wouldn't be here to spout such idiocy then.

-- DUZZIT MADDER? (YouGottabe@kidding.man), January 27, 2000.

What he's trying to say, if you would actually listen, is that he wants government OUT of our private lives.

For instance, what's wrong with saying "The free exercise of religion means nothing if...individuals are forbidden to act upon their religious faith."

Do you want anyone to forbid you from acting on you religious beliefs? That's what the government is trying to do to all of us (well, Christians at least).

Keyes said: "I oppose any efforts to use government power to impose views that contravene religious conscience on matters such as homosexuality and abortion."

Then Kermit said: "my religious conscience says that abortion is a woman's right, and gay marraige should be recognized, but Mr. Keyes is prepared to override it and deprive me of the freedom to act on it."

So Kermit, in other words YOU support efforts to use government power to impose views on ME? Or anyone else? That's why we have the Bill of Rights. Read it sometime, you'll be amazed...

By the way, respectfully and just out of curiousity, Kermit, I was wondering which religion it is that supports abortion as a women's right?

-- Powder (Powder47keg@aol.com), January 27, 2000.

Once kermit exercises it's right to a gay marraige, it's right to an abortion won't be needed. Thanks Powder for putting things back on the track.....


-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 27, 2000.

I love the way that some folks redefine killing as "choice", and then piss and moan about how others want to "limit my choices".

Ted Kazinsky believed in his "right to choose" to do things too. Who's to say that his choice was any more wrong than those who "choose" to kill their children?

Do you deny him his "right to choose"?


-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 27, 2000.

I'm Pro-Choice. But I ALWAYS choose life.

-- Powder (Powder47keg@aol.com), January 27, 2000.

Being a woman, I've always chosen birth control. I also have the right to just say no and for any who choose to ignore that particular choice of mine, I have the 2nd Amendment. It's a great country......

Abortion isn't a choice, pregnancy is.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 27, 2000.

It is amazing and sad to me that so few people consider adoption when there are so many people out there like me who would gladly adopt a child.

-- Powder (Powder47keg@aol.com), January 27, 2000.

His views on issues look good. This kind of platform would be a huge threat to the people in power now. Does he have what it takes to get past that road-block? Who are his backers? Where does his money come from? That information usually says a lot for itself.

-- grannyclampett (don'thave@clue.com), January 27, 2000.

IMHO, hand jobs, blow jobs, cunning lingus are ok.....coming inside without a condom is wrong, unless you're willing to have the baby.

why is this so difficult?

alan keyes, he's alright, BUTTHEFIXISIN....

-- INever (inevercheckmy@onebox.com), January 27, 2000.

If there's enough support for Keyes (and make no mistake -- when he's NOT muzzled -- and when people CAN hear him speak -- he blows the rest of 'em out of the water) -- if there's enough support, Bush may very well be backed into a corner and have to take him on as VP.

Now, that's obviously far from an ideal situation, but it's a damned site better than nothing. And it's the _only_ thing that would get me to vote for Bush.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 27, 2000.

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