Can anybody get access to know this? Are there any figures out there? IF WE HAD THIS INFO WE WOULD SOON KNOW HOW VULNERABLE THE GRID IS GOING TO BE AND WHERE. aND THEN WHAT'S THE GLOBAL PICTURE OF THE ELECTRIC INDUSTRY WITH OIL-DEPENDENT PLANTS?

RICK COWLES SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO THIS FIGURES PLEASE !!!!

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 23, 2000

Answers

Brent........take a pill to relax and then go and do something useful please.............

Do you have any life besides panicking about oil?

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), January 23, 2000.

Craig - at least Brent has something to say on oil.

Haven't noticed you post anything at all recently... nothing to say?

What about commenting on marcia's evidence in her exhaustive list...

By the way Brent the answer in the USA is about 10% if I remember correctly.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 23, 2000.

Craig- real men show some concern about the problems in their world. Real men can ask a good question about important issues like millions of people dying if mega-cities lost electric. Real men know that the international situation is already volatile without adding the scenario of serious oil shortages to the global picture. Real men feel compassion and concern when they think about fathers out of work, people with no kero for heat or gas for the car. Real men learn from history and feel an ache and burden when they see repeats-or worse-developing. American self centered trash heaps could care less about cold babies or future war or the potential suffering involved here. Brent- do you know the Lord? Pray! Pray! good question, man.

-- lady (appreciating@real.men), January 23, 2000.

Lady, seems to me that you need something from a REAL man, and you need it quick. Might take your mind off worrying about what sensible people like craig are saying.

-- Mr. Sane (hhh@home.com), January 23, 2000.

Old Red neck Shane

Say Pard! I don't quite know where you learned your vocabulary, especially the vocabulary you just used in this thread in reference to a lady. But in using it, you have proved only that you apparently came from a one parent family (the father not being known; or else unwilling to acknowledge the fact). And your upbring must have come from the "street"...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), January 23, 2000.

Stupid and sexist too.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 23, 2000.

And jsut what is wrong with being sexy?

-- Billy Vyper (billy_vyper@postmark.net), January 23, 2000.

I dunno, but lady's repeated use of the phrase "real men" is playing over and over in my mind, in the breathy whisper of the late Marylin Monroe... YEEEEEHAAAAA!!!

once, Twice, Three times a lady!

-- bob (braponspdetroit@hotmail.com), January 24, 2000.

Yup, a lot of REAL men (me included, I hope) are REAL happy that nothin happened and not much seems to be happenen.

Brent, Craig was right - take some melatonin and go to bed or watch a movie. Get your mind off of oil and y2k for a few hours. Just me, I been there and done that and y2k obsession is a bummer. Lets just chill and keep an eye on things, but there is no need for all caps just yet...

Lady: Craig is undoubtedly a REAL man, he is just a litte more cautious now as many of us are. I don't blame him. REAL men don't get obsessed with a possible problem, REAL men calmly check the facts and REAL men do not get excited about pain and suffering.

Andy: YOU DA MAN! You are like the energizer bunny, you just keep posting and posting...

-- JoseMiami (caris@prodigy.net), January 24, 2000.

Didn't Craig say good-bye?

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), January 24, 2000.

Brent, seeing as how you live in New Zealand, I can give you the data for your own country exactly.

New Zealand has one station (of only 150 MW) which runs on diesel oil at Whirinaki. It has not generated in anger since the 1992 electricity shortage, and is currently on 7 day standby. In the North Island there are 6 stations with a total capacity of 2340 MW which run on natural gas. At present (7:30 pm on monday evening) there is 870 MW being generated from this source. Also in the North Island are 3 geothermal stations capable of a maximum of 240 MW, and all are at full load. The remainder of New Zealand's generation is hydro, and we are currently generating 3254 MW from our hydro stations. (Data read straight off Transpower's TPIX screen)

-- Malcolm Taylor (taylorm@es.co.nz), January 24, 2000.

Brent, I should have added that the Huntly power station (about 60 miles south of you) is a dual fuel station. it is capable of burning either Gas or Coal and although it is rated at 1000 MW, it has a generator out of service due to a transformer exploasion which occurred around 18 months ago. It is currently generating 259 MW, but I can't be sure whether that is on gas or coal, or even a combination of the two.

-- Malcolm Taylor (taylorm@es.co.nz), January 24, 2000.

Mara......

No, never did say goodbye...not quite yet. I learned from all the folks that said goodbye and then said hello again shortly after!

Of course I am concerned about high oil prices. And I do appreciate valuable information about what is happening in the oil industry.

My suggestion to Brent was simply that it does no one any good, let alone himself, to run around in panic mode all the time.....we saw the damage that mindset did with some of the posts before Y2k.......you know, the ones where women were considering leaving their husbands because their husbands wouldn't move out of the city where they would be sure to perish if they remained etc.

I know it is not popular to play the "Polly" here however I played the "Doomer" for many years and understand now how wrong and dangerous that was........when I say something to the Brents of this world it is not out of a mean spirit but rather out of a genuine concern for their well-being.

Anyway, when I finish this project I'm working on in a week or so, I'll likely get around to posting an essay I'm going to write:

'Y2K and the Christian Fundamentalist mindset; A Comparison'

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), January 24, 2000.

As far as the US power grid is conerned, ten percent of generation capacity is oil-fired. The majority of those plants are in coastal regions, predominently in the northeasten urban areas.

The concentration of oil fired plants in one region does concern me, since is a shortage of bunker oil does occur, it won't produce an evenly distributed power shortfall. It will be concentrated in one are and may exceed the transfer capacity of the electrical grid system to import power to make up for the regional shortfall.

And the ultimate outcome for the US would be a regional power shortage and brownout or blackout situations.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), January 24, 2000.