Chemtrails today : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

South Central Kansas is now getting X'd big time. I can count seven at the moment. So much for the nice sunny day. How is your area?

-- MaryJo (, January 22, 2000


Looking at my IFR Enroute High Altitude chart, I see navigational aids at Wichita, Liberal, Gage. High altitude jets fly routes between these navigational aids to the other and several of these routes can intersect at the same point at which contrails would cross in an "X" pattern.

Other possibilities: some aircraft now use GPS and fly more direct routes between airports. Also, perhaps there's an Air National Guard or Reserve unit at McConnell AFB flying exercises this weekend. Maybe one of the aircraft manufacturers in Wichita is performing flight tests. Perhaps a better answer if you can identify better where you're located and which portion of the sky has contrails.

What is it that convinces you that they are "chem" trails?

-- Mikey2k (, January 22, 2000.

Got 'em again today too here in north Florida.

-- Lurkess (Lurkess@Lurking.Net), January 22, 2000.

Why not rent a plane, sample the chemtrail in question, and have it analyzed by several independent labs if you are convince something sinister is happening?

-- ImSo (, January 22, 2000.

They have been spraying Buffalo, NY and the surrounding area including Canada since at least March,1999. Everyone I know has been sick with flu-like symptoms. Especially sore throats and headaches. It never really goes away. When you look in the sky near the sun the chemtrails have a rainbow effect. Nobody can tell me that's normal.

-- Shoo (, January 22, 2000.

Comtrails leave after a few minutes. Chemtrails stay and make a cloud cover, which is what is happening. Didn't say it was sinister...just asked if other folks are seeing them. These are not high flying planes. The X's go from NE-SW and NW-SE. Yes I live in the Wichita area where there is lots of air traffic. But that air traffic doesn't leave X's everyday which turns into a cloud cover. Been here all my life so I know what daily traffic looks like. Gage and Liberal are west of here.

-- MaryJo (, January 22, 2000.

Buffalo NY has been sprayed almost DAILY since March,1999. Lots of people sick with flu-like symptoms. Where is this going and where will it end? shoo (flyonthe

-- shoo (, January 22, 2000.

mary jo--don't even waste your breath on these skeptics. they know perfectly well the difference between real contrails and the chemtrails. interestingly enough, today i saw a "chemtrail plane" and a regular commercial plane relatively near each other in the sky-- amazingly one was pouring out the usual long-lasting billowing contrail. the other produced a short contrail that dissipated quickly. strange?

i bet some days when the air traffic should be the same as other days and the weather conditions are the same -- the skeptics look up and "wallah" NO CONTRAILS. gee. wonder why?

plenty of lab tests have been done, people. just look for them on the contrail sites.

washington dc had a clear blue sky this am but by the time they were done spraying (at noon or so) the sky was a complete chem trail haze-- just in time for the real clouds to roll in this afternoon. i have taken plenty of pictures. i just need to figure out who might respond honestly and ethically to questions.

-- tt (, January 22, 2000.

My chart shows 10 "spokes" of jet routes from the ICT nav aid which is around 10 miles WNW of the Mid-Continent airport.

Here's a link to a web page that describes contrail formation and behavior, including the possibility of incresing cloud cover depending on atmospheric conditions. The author of this page appears to be an academic with no axe to grind one way or the other on the "chem"trail issue. I found this link on the top page of an Altavista search for the word "contrails".


-- Mikey2k (, January 22, 2000.

Cudluppy, I saw the same thing here in Wash DC/Md suburbs till about noon. Skeptics; all you have to do is observe the skies on a daily basis for awhile, and you will see what everyone else is seeing.

-- Joe Shmoe (, January 22, 2000.

Mikey2K: Thanks for the link explaining contrails. With the Jet Stream dropping down to No. Florida - a once in ten years event - contrails are all over the South.

-- . (.@dit.dat), January 22, 2000.

Mary Jo ..... spotted over central ohio this am too!.been noticing them for a few months now.....[don`t know how long they have been going]. i have lived here all my life and there are NOT the same as contrails!!!....have seen BOTH at same time also....keep lookin` up!

-- mutter (, January 22, 2000.

Even in a small mountain valley where I live have we witnissed "unusual" activity in our skies- what were always crisp blue Rocky Mountain skies- are no longer... everyone is sick here too. It's not just high density population areas.

-- Mama (, January 22, 2000.

Check this out -

-- RAT (, January 22, 2000.

It isn't happening. There's a logical explaination and if you can't understand that you are either stupid or crazy. Stop talking about this. You are contributing to mass hysteria and that is dangerous. Even if something WERE happening, who are you to question the government and the military?

-- madgod (, January 22, 2000.

Madgod --

"Contributing to mass hysteria and that is dangerous."

I don't think so.

When people in Nazi Germany whispered rumors that the Jewish people, government dissenters, gypsies, gays and many others were being carted off to the camps and possible death, they were also warned not to talk about it for fear of contributing to mass hysteria.

My family LIVED in Germany through that experience. It was not a publicized fact as to what was really going on at those resettlement areas (camps).

Silence is not always golden.

-- Lurkess (Lurkess@Lurking.Net), January 22, 2000.

Guys and Gals ( especially Micky2k ! ) ... When you see the plane spray parllel patterns ; shut the spray OFF at exactly the same place; turn around and lay down rhe SAME parallel pattern; and the spray comes out like a road sander , i.e. spray left, spray right , AND he always shuts off the left sprayer FIRST , then the right , before turning around , YOU KNOW YOUR NOT SEEING CONTRAILS !!!! Live near a small airport , BUT just OFF the travel paths of three MAJOR flyways to major cities and have been seeing planes for 71 years leaving real contrails , and I can assure you these are TOO low in altitude to cause contrails that DON'T dissapear, like those at high altitude , due to lower parts of jet stream . This is the " Flying Flu " , NOT the Asian Flu , believe me ! Eagle

-- Hal Walker (, January 22, 2000.

What ya got there is crop dusting.

-- ImSo (, January 22, 2000.

Hal, your description doesn't sound at all like what MaryJo was referring to.

If I was going to spray the country with something, I would start rumors of chemtrails, and then after the idea is thoroughly discredited by untrained observers assuming that contrails are chemtrails would do it for real.

-- Mikey2k (, January 22, 2000.

Maybe "madgod" is being sarcastic here-- "...who are you to question the government and the military?".

Or maybe it's really a genuine question. In that case, I have to ask, "Who else, if not the people affected, can question these activities?"

-- Tom Carey (, January 23, 2000.


Have you actually watched what's going on in the skies above this nation, or are you just too smart to take any of this "paranoia" seriously? I've done a lot of flying, and what I've seen (things very similar to what Hal described) is not normal.

I don't really care if you or anyone else believes that, because I know what I've seen and what it ISN'T. Now if I could just find out what it is.

-- lookin up (lookin@stuff.upthere), January 23, 2000.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

...who are you to question the government and the military?

We're their boss. Or, we're supposed to be, anyway.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), January 23, 2000.

"Lookin Up": No, I haven't been frantically scanning the skies looking for unusual contrails. If I do happen to see an unusual contrail, then I'd probably consider other possibilities before chemtrails, although if it were dayglo orange I'd hit it quite a bit sooner.

MaryJo's description sounded like normal jet traffic.

No, I'm not loosing any sleep worrying about chemtrails, nor did I loose any sleep worrying about martial law or Marshall Law being declared on December 28.

Could it happen? Sure, it's in the realm of possibility but if someone actually found out about it that person would not be able to convince anyone because of the "Wolf" crys out there.

-- Mikey2k (, January 23, 2000.

Wierd how people NEVER got sick in the winter till this year. Has to be chemtrails.

-- John H Krempasky (, January 23, 2000.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

John, this isn't just any old il lness. People are really knocked for a loop and laid low, coughing until they vomit, day after day for weeks on end. It's nothing to sneeze at, so to speak.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), January 23, 2000.

Has it occured to anyone that the easiest way to implement a chemtrail spraying program is to add something to the fuel supply? That way every airplane becomes a chemtrail sprayer, and even "normal" contrails can be chemtrails. All that is required is a scheme to add a chemical to the fuel supply. An example of this is the deadly additive MTBE, mandated to be added to gasoline and responsible for the contamination of water supplies nationwide. The recent fuel contamination problem that has affected thousands of airplanes in Australia is another example of how a fuel contaminant can have widespread impact.

Could the "anti-anthrax" agent be added to standard airline jet fuel and be effectively dispersed by this method?

In addition to inadvertant spraying by airlines, the pattern of chemtrails photographed and in evidence on several web sites (some of which have been visited by numerous government agencies on many oocasions) indicate an intentional program of blanketing urban areas with contrails possession unusual properties. (Not the least of which being the formation of large visible contrails at altitudes where contrails would not normally form, and the merging of the contrails into sky-obscuring cloud cover. Many have also observed a "dust drifting downward" effect in large chemtrail/contrails, rainbow effects when backlit, and strong odors subsequent to spraying. Others have collected physical evidence after heavy chemtrail activity, including filaments, goo, brown powder, "angel hair", apparently different aspects of a similar substance. Those who handle the substance invariably come down with life-threatening "flus." Others have noticed an upsurge in local respiratory illness (although no authenticated studies have been performed to my knowledge) following heavy contrail activity.

Some Internet journalists have also reported on scientific testing laboratory analysis of chemtrail "fallout" that reveal exotic and normally only mildly dangerous bacteria and viruses, but when examined more carefully, those pathogens betray their origin in biotech labs, including telltale markers (similar to luciferase) of genetic modification.

Another concern is that a chemical additive (banned as a pesticide hazardous to humans) added to the jet fuel. Ethylene dibromide causes respiratory distress and makes the person exposed more vulnerable to respiratory infection, courtesy of the same contrail fallout. This dovetails into my theory quite nicely.

-- Ceemeister (, January 23, 2000.

For clarification on this topic, it has been established that in order for contrail formation to 'maintain' and morph into a cloudlike formation, the atmosphere must be of high humidity and the temperature must reach minus 38 to minus 50 degrees centigrade (depending on who you are listening to).

What this info. does is to offer the skeptic a few important revelations. If the chemtrails are appearing at a lower altitude than higher flying commercial traffic that are emitting contrails that dissipate quickly, then what does that say about the above statement? It says that these contrails are forming under different atmospheric conditions than are present perhaps only 10,000 feet higher, or perhaps up to 20,000 feet higher. Could it happen? Yes, but it has been established to be a RARE occurence for it to be warmer at a higher altitude, while colder at a lower altitude. It has also been questionable for humidity levels to vary that much (when you are examining levels on a clear cloudless day) between the altitudes we are talking about.

One other anomaly reported is the discrepancy over traffic patterns on days of spraying. Normal traffic patterns over much of the skies are pre-set. They are 'highways in the sky', if you will. Much of the time, when these chemtrails are being laid, the traffic patterns are different from the norm.

This is not to say that every single contrail that is laid and remains in the sky for a period of time is a chemtrail. We know that to be false, but we cannot establish plausability for all of the suspected chemtrail activity seen under the above stated circumstances.

Hope this helps.

-- OR (, January 23, 2000.

Ceemeister gave me the creeps with the reference to 'luciferase'. It is a real formula and I still can't quite accept it.

FNMH2+RCHO+O2---->FMN+RCO2H+H2O+=O2hv 495nm

For those of you in the know, you will understand my dis-ease with this.

-- OR (, January 23, 2000.

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