I'm going to Minneapolis to hang with people I met off the 'net. Pretty groovy, no? So, what groovy plans have you got? You better tell me, even it's just staying at home eating chips n salsa and watching SNL.

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

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Why, I'm going to Minneapolis to hang with people I met off the 'net! What a co-inky-dink. :)

While in Minneapolis, I am being tempted with promises of sex stores, goth/industrial clubs, sledding, Japanese Steakhouses, the Mall of America, and fitting 13 people into 2 hotel rooms. My life is so complete. :D

See you in a few hours, Jan, Becky, Adam, and Matt (and any other Muvians who read Jan's journal but don't post to the forum)!

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

I'd just like to point out that you can post here even if you have no idea what Carolyn is talking about and you think that "Muvian" sounds like a province of outer Mongolia.

I'm asking what OTHER people are doing this weekend, dammit! I know what you Minnesota freaks are doing!

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

I'm a big loser, so I bailed on the big internet excursion, but here's what I'm doing this weekend:

1. Fighting with my boyfriend, because I'm absolutely LIVID about a phone conversation we had last night, then I hung up.. so yeah, big arguement coming up about an hour from now.

2. Going to dinner with one of my boyfriend's friends. Which is fine, I love her, and she's great. I'm just hoping I'm not a lunatic by the time we get to dinner with her, because then it will be embarassing and awkward.

3. If we've made it THIS far, we're going to an exhibition basketball game friends of ours are in at my old H.S.

Tomorrow, Jan 22, 2000 ---------------------- 1. We're going to see The Cradle will Rock -OR-

2. We're going bowling at Rock N Bowl, depending on when we can get to the movie.

-- I haven't planned far enough in advance to tell you about Sunday though, so you'll just have to live without that news :)

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

I'm asking what OTHER people are doing this weekend, dammit! I know what you Minnesota freaks are doing!

Well, then. Fine. See if I care. Ask me to tell you what I'm doing, and then shoot me down. Ask for my heart on a platter and then drop it on the floor and jump up and down on it while wearing razor-blade-plated shoes.

I'm rubber and you're glue and everything you say bounces off of me and sticks onto you.

:D

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

1.TM and I are going to our catholic marriage counseling day retreat thing. Surely this will be fun fun fun. 2.praying for snow on sunday.

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

Catholic marriage counseling doesn't sound too fun. Do you at least get to play games?

Also something I've always wondered is, during pre-cana (aka Catholic marriage counseling), do they teach you the rhythm method? Or do you have to figure it out yourself?

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

NFP (which includes R.method)- is taught in a different class. im sure if we asked about it in pre cana they'd hook us up or something though. The friar mentioned NFP briefly in his push for 'being open to new life'but thats it

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

(way to take a lead from www.fray.com!)

"Anyway, last night I essentially asked Keith why he didn't feel like he was ready to marry me." I find the wording here interesting. Had you said "Anyway, last night I essentially asked Keith why he felt like he wasn't ready to marry me.", it would have had a subtly different meaning, IMHO. Not to assume upon the workings of your thought processes, but it seems to me that you, perhaps subconciously, didn't want to put the negative right next to "read to marry me". "He finally managed to tell me that it was an issue of trust for him." This is the answer with which he comes out upon finally breaking down? "An issue of trust" is not an answer to your question; it's simply a statement that's supposed to sound like one. It's a little late for him to admit to a lack of trust. You can't have love without trust. Part of me wants to give SharP the benefit of the doubt, as I never really had any issues with him on Mu and all I know of your relationship is from your perspective, but the rest of me has a hard time being that optimistic. From your descriptions, he acts much like one who is with someone out of a need for the companionship of anyone, and who feels guilty about it and tried to make himself believe that it really is love. It happens... I've done it, I'm ashamed to say. But anyway, it's your life and your call. Just don't let yourself stay in a bad situation simply because it makes you feel wanted.

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

That's nice, but what does it have to do with what you're doing this weekend?

This post belongs either in 1) email or 2) a separate thread. Users can start their own threads, you know. At least I think they can. This would be the appropriate time to test that out.

Also, I have no idea what fray.com is. I got the idea for having a journal forum off of pamie's site. www.pamie.com

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

I'm asking what OTHER people are doing this weekend, dammit! I know what you Minnesota freaks are doing!

Wouldn't that make you a Minnesota freak too, Jan? =) See ya in a few hours, everyone. We're gonna burn this mutha down!

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002NSf

heres the ALT.JAN site

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

oh yah, email. i'll send this next one to you directly, as it is more personal; that message, though, i felt, might benefit from having others reply to it, that i might see if i was the only one with these perceptions and concerns. (two sentences, six commas; a new record for me. *arg*)

i don't think i/we can start new threads in your forum.

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

Personally, I don't think that any of us have the right to tell Jan what she should or shouldn't do with her life.

Kira, and TM, I don't know what you have against Jan, or Keith, but I think it's inappropriate to be posting deragatory things about either of them, or their lifestyle of choice.

I realize that by posting this, and posting it *here*, I'm probably just encouraging your behaviour, but if it makes you happy to see me declaring publicly that I think your behaviour is inappropriate, immature, petty, malicious, and downright shitty, well, I'm glad I brought a smile to *someone*'s face today.

Jan, I'm sorry for posting this here, where it's not appropriate, and for sinking to their level.

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

i dont have anything against jan and i havent posted anything on her board re: her life etc, just answered her Q. I made the ALt. to just get the others to post somewhere else, like J suggested

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

I don't recall posting anything "deragatory" about Jan, Keith, or their life together.

I commented on parts of the entry that I found interesting and hazzarded a hypothesis concerning them, all the while reiterating that I didn't want to assume upon the innerworkings of Jan's mind.

I then expressed my distaste at Keith's answer. Following that, I expressed my opinion about about trust and love and their place in a relationship; this can be read either as a philosophical point or an attempt at giving advice.

Then I expressed how divided I felt about the whole thing, saying both that I had no quarrel with Keith and that I understand that my perspective is skewed pro-Jan due to the nature of it being her journal, but that from her descriptions it sounded to me as though he was acting in a way similar to one who found himself in a relationship in which he felt his partner felt greater affection for him than him for her and therein felt some measure of guilt which he tried to push from his mind by self-deceit. I never said that this *was* what he was doing; I merely stated that his actions were reminiscent of such a person. There was no condemnation. I even went so far as to admit that I myself had acted in such a way before.

I then closed by reiterating that it is Jan's life and no one can make these decisions for her, coupled with the very general advice that, should she ever find herself in a bad situation she must not allow herself to stay in it simply because it makes her feel wanted.

I really don't think that any of that was particularly "deragatory". I try not to be derogatory. (Had I wanted to be, I would have been *really* blatant in pointing out your spelling error.)

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

As always, my weekends make me sound like an old woman, instead of the vital breath of air that i truly am. I'm doing laundry, cleaning my house, going to see a kiddie-flick with the brats, working, doing a sunday morning breakfast with my family.. and having telephone-relations with the bf.. (i meant talking, but it was funny enough to leave...)

-- Anonymous, January 21, 2000

http://www.ccli.org/ Marriage weekend thing went well. I think there were 24 couples. Just to follow up,they did show us a video on NFP (Natural family planning). I think dan is sold on the idea! the website above is of the couple to couple league, but im sure you could find more information at www.catholic.org and www.catholic.com

-- Anonymous, January 24, 2000

oh, just to reiterate NFP is not the rhythm method :)

-- Anonymous, January 24, 2000

well, look who came to stop by. slug. slug came by to see what's what and contribute a little something to this shindig. oh yes, slugga slugga, slugga. sure, i like a discussion now and again. discuss all you like, i can dig it. talking about isssues. yep. i can sense the zeitgeist. END TRANSMISSION.

-- Anonymous, January 30, 2000

Oh boy! this was a juicy one. I felt like i was on www.jerryspringer.com. I was almost certain a mouse was going to go flying through my monitor. Anyways, can't we all just get along? Please? Pretty please?

Last weekend I drove up to Edmonton to visit a dear friend. We are kindred spirits. We took long walks in the park, stopped to pick and smell some flowers. We spent a quiet afternoon reading poetry. I read, "The Lady of Shalott" by Tennyson. We enjoyed ourselves so emmensly that we hardly noticed the sun retiring.

It was a rather delicous weekend :-)

K.

-- Anonymous, March 24, 2000