Sorry, but I truly think this individual "Ron" should be brought to the attention of the readers on this forum. My vote is to add him to the "TB2000 Hall of Shame" list - (along with these others already listed on the opening page of TB2000.

 (Doomers@suck.big time!!) (Lead spammer)  You Knowwho (debunk@doomeridiots.com)  Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com)  Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com)

He's certainly earned it. Don't believe me?

1) Drop-in and visit the thread:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002MNo

2) (then follow the trail of crumbs...)

3) What I want to know is, is this guy "Ron Schwarz" going around doing the same thing to other people's threads? Or, did he just single out this guy Meyers...and trash him alone?

One *very* upset Friend,

ICE

PS. mindless, short-attention span readers need not apply. For those who do care...wait until you read Meyers' "Oil Crisis" thread. Totally awesome.

better yet, visit his website: http://www.bashar.com/GSP

-- ICE (WeSee@ThruYou.com), January 20, 2000

Answers

Might as well add Chip to the dip list, too....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 20, 2000.

King, LOL!

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 20, 2000.

Chip, Jack, Chuck, Fanny, Doofus, Buttboy, or whatever you call yourself....what a marooon!

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), January 20, 2000.

Yea, knock it off Chip, or Chuck, or whoever you are. We can all read here. We don't need you to repost a thread in another thread. Kool it. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), January 20, 2000.

GEE--it is almost like a barometer. When a serious incident occurs that may slightly possibly really be a fulfillment of even just one of the various "Y2K" scenarios or predictions -- the pollies get incredibly nasty all of a sudden. Lord help us if we have a big fulfillment (e.g., serious oil crisis)!

-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), January 20, 2000.

Chip has joined the TWO IRS GUYS on their cometride to fame and fortune.

-- >"< (nuts@upina.tree), January 20, 2000.

Hey - Chip...!

Why don't you READ the thread first and quit reacting the a single "word" in the "title line". If you had read even the first page, you would have known that the "Oil Crisis" thread goes totally beyond that little issue. Again:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002MNo

Suggestion: Try 'reading' even the first few paragraphs first - before you shoot from the hip on "DOOMERS!!! It's OVER".

And if you think it's 'over' Chippy...Why don't you try this one on for size:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002I7J

Then come back and *you tell us* "What it all means?' OK?

We're sittin in awe awaiting your reply to *either one* of those threads. Now how does it look?

Sincerely,

(not meant as an insult or ego challenge..focus-up on the issues.)

ICE

ICE

-- ICE (ISee@ThruU.com), January 20, 2000.

Icehole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- gomer (gnomer@dot.com), January 20, 2000.

U still in there gomer?? What else to ya see?

Hell man, climb out!...There's sunshine out here.

-- ICE (IC@ThruU.com), January 20, 2000.

This guy was posting similar stuff over at Bonkers and was told to come here. He's just an errand boy for Bonkers.

We **HAVE ALL THOSE QUOTES**. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING HERE FOR *2* Years.

Posted by (208.189.71.48) BORIS-Y2 on January 15, 2000 at 19:41:06:

In Reply to: Oh, ok. If this is for technical stuff, is there a board I can post quotes and whatnot? I'm not exactly a technical person, but would like to post what these y2k-doomsday-fanatics have said (no text in message) posted by Gary West on January 15, 2000 at 19:37:44:

Try this place.

I'm sure they could use some fresh "insight".

[TB2K hotlink]

-- Check (the@Bonkers.posts), January 20, 2000.

ronnie schwarzpuker is lovable! Don't pick on the bloody bastard!

Take care

-- George (jvilches@sminter.com.ar), January 20, 2000.

Here's an example of the RS troll getting ready to go ballistic on a home power generation forum. Someone disagreed (mildly) with him, and here he goes: Follow the thread down for the full effect.

http://206.67.59.5/wwwboard11/messages/418.html

Gosh, I wish I had stayed out of the pigpen with that guy, it still feels a bit slimy to remember it. Still, someone has to make a stand somewhere or the trolls will slime us all. I think I'll take his posts over to the psychology department and see if they can analyze the person a bit. As Meyer says where ever RS is, he has to live there, so feel sorry for him.

-- Heckie (hlujan45@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

To answer the original question, yes, he is going around doing it to others. More on the RS Troll, later in the same Home power forum, someone asks about propan conversions, and the Troll is all over him, but then it gets worse, someone stands up to him, and . . . watch out! This RS troll has lost credibility on our board. He sometimes has good ideas, but he cannot control his temper, or his language. I think he hits the top of each board, and word searches for his name. He gets off on it! Recomendation: Ignore this troll.

http://206.67.59.5/wwwboard11/messages/406.html

-- heckie (hlujan45@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

In the first thread you reference, Ron was posting about a tragic incident (and IME pointing out the folly of crying wolf too often?)

In the second thread, Ron is expressing his disgust at a long, rambling off topic socio-political rant.

I know that there's a connection somewhere in your mind between these two threads, but I'm afraid that I can't see it.

Care to enlighten us?

-- Servant (public_service@yahoo.com), January 21, 2000.

Hi there Hector you fuckfaced piece of shit.

I see that you're not satisfied at merely sending me a string of harassing unsolicited email -- and then, THINKING that you were reporting me to "webmaster" at MY OWN DAMN DOMAIN (shit, you're stupid), you attempt to cause me grief for having posted something you didn't like on a public unmoderated webboard?

Hector, you piece of shit, you are one whiny excuse for a piece of human debris.

But no, that wasn't enough for an asshole like you.

Nope. You've got to stalk me all over the fucking net, eh?

Very well, asshole.

It's my move now.

The only thing I promise you is that I will break no laws.

I do want you to understand that you would be a fool to find any comfort in that concession, however. The law is not kind to stalkers. You should have considered that before fucking with someone you know nothing about.

Good bye, fuckhead.

For now.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 21, 2000.

Man, Servant gets two in one!

Yup, you nailed 'em both.

15 false alarms guarantee one thing: no one will respond to a real fire.

And as to the potheaded rambler, yup again.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 21, 2000.

Hehe, Ron, that was cool!

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), January 21, 2000.

Hey Ron,

----tell us how you 'really' feel???

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

Servant: The posts I'm referring to are not on this board. They are listed as text in my posts above. Go take a look. The RS troll will be upset at having his public words referred to here. Yes, some of his posts are nice, But go look at these examples of his anger. My point here is how fast the Troll can lose his temper. I agree with the previous poster that the Troll has a "slash, burn, and run away" attitude. Warning! Once he gets started, it's time to cover your ears. A real potty mouth. Troll, wherever you are, you have to live there. Ignore the Troll. Pity the Troll.

-- Heckie (Hlujan45@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

Heckie,

--can u give a hotlink? I cant get into that site. Thanks

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

Pity the condescending asshole who, after harassing in email, stalking across the net, and being caught in the act, decides to try to smarm his way into the rectums of his new audience.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 21, 2000.

So Ron...

Ummm, besides your using this forum for *your dumps*...where's your "takes on the world" thread? like what Meyers laid out?

I mean, I think we've all seen your GI vocabulary (most of it). Ever had an original thought, much less concern, about what's happening in the world? I mean, beyond your vindictive temper tantrums at things you don't like, or what doesn't "fit" your little circle of "how people should be"?

I've yet to hear you make one statement about Y2K, the world, the environment, the Human Condition...or don't you see it? Or can't you write more than a paragraph before your little head starts hurting?

Come on...we're all waiting to hear your pearls of wisdom to "set everyone straight" one "the way it IS".

(If you want a hint of some of the issues, why don't you go back and read through

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Lfp

I don't think Meyers will mind if you steal a few ideas here and there. Or better yet, let's see you come up with something on your own.

Your gonna get this shoved in your face if you keep shoving your crap down other people's throats. Fair? It's not YOUR forum, or your little green and yellow buddies either that run to your side, only proving they are about where you are at. If they could read that thread, and side with you, "Ronnie is a sweetie!". (To quote you: "Bullshit")Then excuse me, I need an air bag.

You don't mind do you? It's EXACTLY what you started Ron, so how in God's name you gonna argue with that? You have absolutely no moral ground whatsoever to stand on for people 'dumping on you' in RESPONSE to what you put out.

Now, let's hear your excuse. Admit it. You are out of Meyers' league and you can't stand it. Got a short attention span? Can't read? Then quit bonking your head on the wall...and shut up.

ICE just4U

-- ICE (ISee@ThruU.com), January 21, 2000.

Who were you talking about in your last comment Ron? If you don't clarify the target of your deep philosophical ramblings, people are likely to leave think you're talkin in the mirror.

Give it up man...

-- JustLearning (NowU@know2.com), January 21, 2000.

I just love it when some "must be new around here" twit weighs in to condescend tell me where it's at.

Read the archives if you want to know where I stand on the issues, jerk. Hint -- my first posts here are over a year and a half ago.

By the way, I haven't forgotten your thinly veiled death threats in the other thread. Nor will I be doing nothing about them.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 21, 2000.

Consumer, I cannot give you a hotlink (don't know how) but you can step to any of these sites to get there:

Go to Gary North Discussion Forums

http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/results_.cfm/Discussion_Forums

Choose Home Power Generation (intro page):

http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/1083

Go into the main discussion board:

http://206.67.59.5/wwwboard11/

The Troll's pigpen is about halfway down. Main topics are "Electric Power from your wood stove", and "Natural Gas".

Please read his own words for yourself. He simply cannot take any disagreement, without getting personal. It surely caused us a lot of pain and grief. The more people ask him to be nice (or be quiet), the more fun he has. Troll, wherever you are, you have to live there.

Pity the Troll, Ignore the Troll. Thank you.

-- Heckie (hlujan45@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

awwwwwh.... come on Ron. Give it a break. Stop pissin' on our computer screen. You're gonna have a self-induced heart attack before you know it and no one to blame but yourself.

Give Steve (and the rest of us) a break...ok? You climbed down his throat non-stop on *his* thread - and you haven't addressed a single issue he's brought up. You think Meyers is a fool? Get a clue and re-read his thread. Wake up. He's not your problem Ron and you're really not impressing anyone here with your tortured antics and tantrums. Go find someone else's ankles to 'knaw on' for awhile. I agree ICE - he's out of his league.

Ever thought about getting your 'ACT' together?

In other words Ron...get a Life...OK?

Again (re-post from original thread above)

"Steve, I really liked your "What's A Planet Worth?" (at http://www.bashar.com/GSP) and I wish more people would wake-up and care like you do.

As far as 'Y2K Experts'(?) - the stuff at your website blows them in the weeds and leaves 'em in the dust. I bet you scare them. Maybe they should 'get a clue' too.

Don't sweat the small stuff...blow this asshole RS off...and keep on truckin'.

-- Breanna (Breanna@hotmail.com), January 21, 2000.

Rofl Thanks Heckie for the address. I got there this time...oh I guess I am a 'jerk' for looking, eh ronnie? Or maybe I'm one of those folks who can get 'treated?' Hey Heckie, I think between you and Kirsten you fine ladies did a great job of reading ronnie......I'm still laughing......Anyone else interested it is worth reading to see ladies read the ronnie.....lol

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), January 21, 2000.

Servant,

Are you serious? You read Meyers' original thread, you saw RS's antics...and you still don't "get" what the connection is?

Ain't nobody gonna enlighten you...figure it out for yourself man. Then maybe it won't be so painful when it dawns on you.

I don't see how you could have read that thread and come back with the reply you did. Who knows? Maybe you are in as much denail as any of us when it comes to the issues raised in Meyers' thread. I have a lot of respect for all you have shared on TB2000...but I just don't get how you could see what RS did, or what he has done elsewhere (fine example in his reply to Hokie above) and you still don't see this guy? What, are you looking the other way? Did you check out the other threads above where RS has left his trail of rabbit droppings?

Gee...I dunno what the connection. Now *I'm* stumped...

How 'bout you enlighten me on this one? My little head hurts.

With respect,

-- ICE (ISee@ThruU.com), January 21, 2000.

Awww, your "little head" hurts?

Maybe if you stopped stroking it for a while, it might recover.

As a bonus, you won't go blind, and you'll be able to stop shaving your palms.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 21, 2000.

Quit picking on Ron. I'm his mail order bride. I'm uglier than sin and he can't get one up. I'm on my way back to the Galapagos Islands in a few weeks. Bye!!

-- (Ron's@mail.bride), January 21, 2000.

"Gosh Anklebiters are a funny breed. How much longer will we have to wait before you get a life? You folks derive so much "meaning" in spending your time where you don't belong, where you claim you can't stand to be, and where you aren't welcome, that you lost your credibility. Your "nyah, nyah, nyah" litany is tiring, tiresome and pathetic."

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 21, 2000.

LOL! LOL! Ron has a lot of style, and uses so few words to make you look stoopid. While you, ICE, waste so much bandwidth accomplishing the same thing...making yourself look stoopid.

-- (Ron's Fan@funny.Ron), January 21, 2000.

Nice commentary on the Human Condition Ron. Well stated...!

We're *still* waiting to hear where you stand on the issues raised in Meyer's thread. You know...*the issues* not what *you* think about the messenger.

You're crap is so weak Ron...it's a bad joke.

Here's some rope...go hang yourself. Opps. Sorry, my mistake. (You've already done that) What I meant is: try tightening it some more - until you stop squirming. Then maybe you'll get some peace...and so will we.

ICE just4U

-- ICE (ISee@ThruU.com), January 21, 2000.

Hey Ron - Why did you stop taking your dumps over on Meyers thread? What happened?

Yeah: "Show a little kindness...and all the flies leave the manure pile...defeated."

Where's Ron? Where's Larry? (over here obviously)

Pretty funny, huh? Not really. But pretty revealing, I'd say. Come on Ronnie, where's your big comeback now to Meyers now? Or is this 'checkmate'? Throwing the towel in? Exhausted your repertoire of vindictive insults and mis-directed hatred towards Steve? Not big enough to laugh once in a while? Or were your confused by Steve's reply?

God - can u imagine this guy trying to get a date?

Come on little man...show us how you go "potty":

'Do it again baby'. (Barry White)

-- Breanna (Breanna@hotmail.com), January 21, 2000.

Ron -

How much longer will we have to wait before you get a life? You derive so much "meaning" in spending your time where you don't belong, where you claim you can't stand to be, and where you aren't welcome, that you lost your credibility. Your litany is tiring, tiresome and pathetic.

-- Nobody's Fool (Nobody@nowhere.com), January 21, 2000.

God, this guy is so transparent! So desperate, he's pretending to be his only fan. But this time, I belive him:

LOL! LOL! Ron has a lot of style, and uses so few words to make you look stoopid. While you, ICE, waste so much bandwidth accomplishing the same thing...making yourself look stoopid.

-- (Ron's Fan@funny.Ron), January 21, 2000."

Uh huh. Give me a break; better yet, gag me with a spoon.

'stoopid' ? In who's eyes Ron. Ummm, are you speaking *for yourself* from your little hole? Or are you speaking on behalf of all the other TB2000 forum participants?

Come on Ron, let's hear you admit it. Answer the question.

You're about to be 'checkmated' little boy...in public.

-- Breanna (Breanna@hotmail.com), January 21, 2000.

Come on Ron,

Don't take this the wrong way, but figures a woman would nail you...huh? Kinda like on the other forum? Deja Vu?

It's your thread Ron. Dont be afraid, it won't hurt. We're all waiting breathlessly...for your answer to Breanna's question.

(shhh...don't anyone say anything...ok?!)

ICE just4u

-- ICE (ISee@ThruU.com), January 21, 2000.

Ron may be abrasive but at least he'll tell you where the bear shit in the woods. Meyers comes across as a long winded condescending intellectual wanna be, just hawking his book. From this thread it is apparent that Ice and Breanna are either his protective attack dogs that he unchained or they are sleeping with him. It's been good entertainment for a Friday afternoon.

-- Being Entertained (CallemasIseeum@inyourface.com), January 21, 2000.

Yeah. Looks like The Proverbial Bear shit straight down Ron's brains, and the crap *still* ain't stopped backing-up yet...huh?

Good call dude. You nailed it. Very perceptive.

-- SilentAudience (OnThe@Side.com), January 21, 2000.

Warning to Ron, BE and other genetic Pin-Brains. It's more that 15 words! Leave now while you still have a chance! Go take some aspirin as a precaution. Why risk your head hurting? Or having to think? Go read some other trash thread; this place is just FILLED with them. You have been warned. Note: *deliberately* designed to be "long winded" - cause that's what get's 'em upset. (What joy!!)

They just don't like it. Oh my!! I'm devastated! Poor babies...

======================================================

Wazza matter 'Being Entertained?'

Your name, ahh, I could have guessed. Is that all it is...it's all "just a big joke" to you? Being entertained - as your world is dying fool?

"Humanity - the species that entertained itself to Death." (Roger Waters / Pink Floyd)

Sound familiar BE?

By the way, are you speaking for yourself or for the whole forum too? You make it SOUND like you're speaking for everyone; "speaking with the voice of authority and knowingness" - but - but it's all void of any *content* or *real substance*, isn't it (except your trite opinions). Void. A sixth grade kid could see that. Your crummy 5 sentences next to Meyers' thread, or his website. Screw you punk.

Show me.

Ok genius. Explain "what" exactly is it that was "too long winded"? Compared to what - your short attention span? You ever read a book? To "longwinded?" For who pin-brain? You? Has your brain been reduced to mush from watching too many 30 second TV commercials? Don't have your channel changer in hand? Feel insecure? Channel surfing TB2000? That's about nails what you scummy little Trolls are doing; not much difference that I can see.

Why don't you summarize (take your pick) *any* of the ideas Meyers went to the trouble to lay out. Show us how it's done Big Man. What was he talking about? Give us the 'short version'. Quit talkin and show us. You won't -because you can't. Prove me wrong. You're on stage genius. Go for it.

Now. Your puny 'opinion' about "me being in bed with him". How about I think that thread said more than anything on this thread. I just wanted to draw some attention to little Ronnie boy AND that thread - because I think its talking about some important stuff is that OK with you? By the way, where's your thread (that's *more* than 3 sentences?) Huh?

But the point is, it doesn't really matter WHO talks about those issues, does it? Maybe it's because I'm not sitting back, numbed out like you, stunned like some deer in the headlights. Meyers *is* my friend and I'm proud to know him. But that's really not the issue. I see Ron and creeps like you trashing people -anyone- and you don't know them from Adam.

Where do you get off saying "its too long". Screw you if your small brain can't deal with it idiot. You are not the kind of people that make the world go around anyway. Ever taken a look at the Library of Congress? Does that piss you off too?

If you are so damn smart genius, why don't you summarize he *was* talking about? You telling me you can't find *one item* in there that has any merit? In your eyes he's "100% wrong"??? Screw u jerk. You just showed your colors along with all the rest of "Ron's little crew of Green & Yellow Buddies". From what I've seen here, you're all a bunch of empty, gutless, heartless dweebes. You don't stand for anything.

No, I ain't sleeping in bed with him - but I know he's a damn sight better human being than either of you two jerks. Oh, you been on this forum 2 years. BFD. He's been at it 30 years clueless. Did you know that? So take your crummy 2 years and shove it any place of your choice. You have to tear down *anything* you don't understand, don't you? He's done a lifetime of work and you just tear, rip, judge, pull down. Did you read his bio or resume? Screw you ship4brains - not him - You.

Makes you sick to see somebody who can think, somebody who feels or can carry an idea, or deal with something you couldn't even dream of doing...so you're going to pull it down to your level...right? Keep dreaming punk. Show us what you know; get your nose out of your navel and Ron's butt...and find something to say that addressed the issues.

I'm sick of scummy trolls crapping on other people as soon as they dare to speak up, or speak from their heart, or what they care about. Did you know that was the first time he was on this forum? And your jerk buddie climbed down his throat. How many other decent people are low life scum you trashing? Get the point clueless?

Now, do what you like, cause all of this is for the readers in the audience. Always fun to watch a spat...to see what really comes out of it? Huh?

You're damn right Meyers is my friend. Does that bother you too? What do you have dweeb? Ron "where's the missing T" Schwarz? What a joke.

People don't need your 'spin' dickweed or Ron's. If you can't say something constructive, or real, or what you care about -then just shut up and others will fill-in the void. OK with you jerk brains?

Ron: "Thanks for making the world...a little bit colder" (John Lennon/Beatles)

ICE just4U

-- ICE (ISee@ThruU.com), January 21, 2000.

Wrong BE. It was Ron's behavior on the other thread that "unchained the attack dogs"...remember? Can't take the heat but you can dish it out, right?

You think everyone is as passe as you? Wrong again. Join the ranks of your buddy - and drown with him. Justify his crap behavior and we see who you are too. Go back to your TV...it's designed for a short attention span.

We're just giving Ron a little feedback. You know, you have your opinion, Ron has his, I have mine...and so on. You have any idea hoe many people Ron has stepped on? Or driven away from this forum? Or who will never dare to open up because of Trolls like him and you?

Quit making excuses for what Ron is doing and for what you don't understand. Who are you to talk about a "wanna be"? What's that BE? Or do you guys just toss lables around?

Get real for once in your life.

-- Breanna (Breanna@hotmail.com), January 21, 2000.

Can't we all......get along?

-- Rocket (Fighting@Nothin.com), January 21, 2000.

I came from the home power forum, where I have been at for a year, to see what Ron was talking about. He was right, the troll is just a wanna-be theoretician.

-- ScottK (yeah@right.com), January 21, 2000.

Yeah, but look at how many talking socks he has!

(One's even a *girl* sock! I bet that one needs to be laundered once a day...)

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 21, 2000.

Oh yeah right!!! speaking of your favorite word SOCK PUPPETS, why pretend you have allies? and next time, dont post letters from your imaginary friends right before your real name. LOL

Hi, accoriding to Ron Schwarz (the sick and idiotic hollow shell), I am "a sock puppet & a whore who just needs a good fuck". Gee Ronald baby, you need to brush up on your come-on lines!!

There has GOT to be something illegal about mailing me a picture of bestiality Ron. For the record, you do that again, and I'll pursue legal recourse. I can't believe those creepy things you said. You are gross, and you have FAILED to keep me quiet.

Anyway, have a look here at more classic General Ronald Schwarzkov results as he is immortalized in more archives for being a miserable loser (& socially banished as usual)

http:www.killfile.org/dungeon/why/schwarz.html

Would someone please hyperlink this for me in their post?

-- Kirsten (its@private.com), January 22, 2000.

You know what Ron? Until reading Kristins' post, I had no idea you have been doing this to so many people - since 1998 no less. That's truly sick man.

You thrive on all this? Plain truth is, you are one mean SOB. In fact, you are *cruel* to people; that's why anyone coming to your "aid" while they ignore what you do, is really promoting, condoning what you are doing. They'd have to be a fairly empty person to gravitate to your side, in the face of all the evidence...or, you have shown them your "nice" side. (I'm sure you can turn it off and on like a light switch). But I just heard a saying the other day, "If you are nice to one person, and mean to another...then you are not a nice person."

Yes, I'm a new comer here, but what's that supposed to mean?? It *what* is said that counts; not "how long you been around". It's not "who's" right Ron - it's *what's right*.

This was fun at first, then irritating (quite)...and now, disheartening. You drag all the attention to you, away from the issues, draining people's energy and their attention. I don't know how the Sysop can see what you are doing, what you do to new-comers, what you do on other threads, on other forums (since 1998??) and still - you are stuck in the same place. Unreal dude. Yeah, I get pissed at stuff...but i don't stay stuck there! Yuk! I get bothered about things that are hurting people, our environment, the future we are leaving our children, corruption in govt and corps...really hurtful stuff; unecessary stuff...stuff that could be solved, easily...if we cared.

There's is something about all I wrote about that really bothers you. Its not just my "style". You sit back where no one can see you...like a peeping Tom. You say hurtful things to people you dont even know. Why? What does is fill in you? Where does it leave everyone? You can't even have an intelligent conversation, or show any decency towards another. What is it about "real" that scares you so much Ron?

What's going on Ron? Why do you feel such a need to hurt people...and thats the only channel or side you can show them?

Yeah, it IS true: where ever you go, that's where you find yourself. But thats true for everybody. But you're the one living inside of you...where all that hurt comes from man...don't you see that?

I'm asking you a real question, so lets drop the pissing match...ok? Enough is enough.

Are you having fun yet? (seriously man. Don't even have to answer me; but you ought to know that for yourself) To you...I'm an a_shole, and so youre gonna shove that in my face even deeper? For what? To what end? What good is that going to do...to kick somebody you already think is down? Does that make you feel strong, or momentarily "Up" on them, lording it over somebody to treat them that way?

No, honestly, I don't think this is fun. I think its very petty; very hurtful. The scary thing is...it doesn't let up. Doing it over and over and over. That's not right dude...no way. Its not even funny. You're stepping on people Ron, your hurting them. Who wants to be real, or share, or trust, or say anything that means anything...when you can come out any time you want, for any reason you want - and just cut them down? Why? Where does that leave...anybody? Empty dude.

Really sad man because the truth is; we could have been friends and found some other ways to relate, or had fun, or whatever. Yeah, I know to a big tough guy like you, that is "sissy talk". But its not...it takes a lot more guts than going around puking on people; that's easy. THAT's "sissy" stuff...because its so powerless.

As you read this forum, do you see how much fun some of the people here are having? You see some of the insights, the intelligence, the wit and humor? Its pretty awesome man; it touches peoples live man...it's real.

But when people read your stuff, they are not moved inside. You are not touching their "soul" (for lack of a better phrase); you're not mixing it up with some humor. Your not fighting 'fair' where you and everybody gets something out of it. Nope. They come away either hurt in some way, or shocked, or discouraged, or don't want to even speak up. You're so lost in what you're doing...you're not seeing any of that man...but it's True.

The meaning of a conversation is how you feel...AFTER its over Ron. Not the words, not the lables and the rationalizations...its how you FEEL after you come away. And honestly, I don't think you are making too many people feel very good.

Hey...I don't mind kicking up the dust now and then, take a position on this or that...but this relentless hammering, and then ducking whenever any real question is asked...dont get it at all. Doesn't feel right man.

Something is wrong and that's all i know, and I had no idea how many other people you did it to, but I wasn't gonna sit back after what you did on my thread because you had no call to do that at all man...none.

If you don't like my style, or the way I talk...you don't have to shove it down my throat because I have plenty of people who know me, and I know, and they know - I'm not the way your making it out to be.

And what's sad is...you don't see that. You miss the person completely. And your the one who's going to be missing all kinds of things that you never even gave a chance to happen, and that's what really is the worst thing about what your doing. Its how it limits your life.

I'm tired dude, because this is not fun any more...not at all. And it kind of leaves that empty, sick feeling inside, like "What was that all about"?

And you ought to know that. You ought to know how you leave people feeling, and it's just not right man. No way. And you ought to find out why you have so much hurt inside, that you are taking it out on SO many people. Everybody knows it's no fun to be in that place, well, not stuck there for years.

So maybe take a breath every now and then; maybe have a little allowance that not everyone is as perfect as you'd wish them to be; and maybe start looking at what is right about someone. Because all you look at is what is wrong...but you go silent if someone says, "Ok Ron...now, what is RIGHT about the person?" Yeah, you nailed 'em alright Ron. But do you know or can you see what is right about them too? I mean...that's the whole story about a person, isn't it? Not all good, but not all bad. You know...like same applies to you too...huh?

Better look at how your living your life man; and yeah, its true: what you put out, is what you get back. And the bottom line is how you feel inside, and how people feel after interacting with you, and yeah, its got to do with what they bring to the table too, (their filters/meanings). And, the bottom line is if your having fun or not...and not just kidding yourself "saying you are"...when inside, you know it feels different.

And that is what everyone is struggling with, not just you. OK?

And that's as much as i can say, and know I'm being straight with you, And enough of the games...because it's not fun anymore. There's alot more going on than this little thread.

Tell me if you think this is all BS.....ok? Tired yet? I am. It was fun for a while, but I give up. You win.

-- Steve (SMeyers33@aol.com), January 22, 2000.

Rave on.

Oh, and having your "girl hand" put words in my mouth is kinda low, but I guess that hand is accustomed to below the belt "operations".

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 22, 2000.

Kirsten-sock:

You should realize that making false accusations of criminal behavior is itself generally considered actionable in most jurisdictions.

And unless you're in Michigan, you've just crossed state lines.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 22, 2000.

What needed to be said Ron was said, and it wasn't just for you. A lot of people are reading this, and each one is going to get something out of it. And it's clear...it doesn't matter who says it, or how right it is, cause if you don't want to listen, or learn anything from it...well you won't. In some twisted way, you think, "I'm not going to give them the satisfaction."

You have alot of unease inside Ron, and it shows all over. Pretty desperate place to be in, or to want to stay in...but that's your choice Bro. You do what you want from here, cause nobody is gonna make you change. Sorry you can't find some place of resolution in all this. Without that, it's all pretty much a waste. huh?

-- Steve (SMeyers33@aol.com), January 22, 2000.

Said the Wasp to the Frog: "...but it's my Nature." And they both drowned and went to the bottom of the sea.

It's a great story...read it sometime.

-- Steve (SMeyers33@aol.com), January 22, 2000.

PS. Hey - Mo Ju. How's it feel living inside of there?

-- Steve (SMeyers33@aol.com), January 22, 2000.

So folks, I guess this wraps it up. Ronnie, you are toasted dude. Words, threads, posts, they dont lie...You told on yourself there pal. I believe you to be not only a woman hater, which is obvious after what you did to the women but you sir, appear to, at the very least, an equal opportunity PEOPLE hater. Sheesh I wonder how 'fun' it is to be around or gawd forbid live with your negative attitude.

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), January 24, 2000.

Congrats Steve Meyers (SMeyers33@aol.com), You just showed us what a troll looks like. Posting as all theses voices.

You need help, and not the kind available here. I suggest you stop it. Here and on other threads in this forum.

Diane A TBY2K Sysop

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-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 24, 2000.

Shame on you Steve Meyers! Way to go, ever diligent Diane!!

-- Being Entertained (IcallemasIseeem@inyourface.com), January 24, 2000.

I'm Stunned!

Diane, is this true? This post is not under your signature. This does not feel right somehow. Please respond in your sysop mode, when you have the time. Thanks, Heckie

-- Heckie (hlujan45@aol.com), January 24, 2000.

Whutta dunce.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 24, 2000.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

I note that none of the identities in the long list is actually Steve Meyers (SMeyers33@aol.com). So is it necessarily true that they are he? I must admit, some of them definitely do sound like him, I noticed as I was reading them the first time. It is reasonable that some of them could be he, coming from work, say, especially the ones like SM.

Being Entertained, from where did you get this?

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), January 24, 2000.

Gee, do ya think that mebbe the fact that "Steve" MPDeyers _admitted_ to it in http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=002OT4 might be a facktore?

The boy's like a crackhead on hayush on a postin' slide ta hay dee's sno koan Pal Ace.

(To put it in terms he might unnerstan.)

In other words, climb back in your bong, miles.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 24, 2000.

To summarize the facts:

Steve Meyers only recently appeared on this forum

Steve Meyers has been proven to be most of the posters on this and other threads

Steve Meyers has used ridiculous, multiple pseudonyms to launch an unsubstantiated criminal allegation against a long-time member of this forum

-- (.X.@xxx.xxx), January 25, 2000.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

X said: ...an unsubstantiated criminal allegation...

What allegation was that?

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), January 25, 2000.

What unsubstantiated criminal allegation...

See above, post from "Kirsten", another newbie, who magically appearead here just in time to join the fray---

"There has GOT to be something illegal about mailing me a picture of bestiality Ron. For the record, you do that again, and I'll pursue legal recourse. I can't believe those creepy things you said."

And, the responses from Ron Schwarz---

"Rave on.

Oh, and having your "girl hand" put words in my mouth is kinda low, but I guess that hand is accustomed to below the belt "operations".

Kirsten-sock:

You should realize that making false accusations of criminal behavior is itself generally considered actionable in most jurisdictions.

And unless you're in Michigan, you've just crossed state lines."

After this, there was yet another thread started by Steve Meyers, just for the purpose of cut and pasting the post from "Kirsten", in case anyone happened to miss it on this thread.

If this is allowed, I could create an anonynous I.D. to post a thread saying, for instance, that any poster here that I happen to disagree with is a convicted child molester. I could create other anonymous I.D.'s to contribute to the thread in support of my charges. Try proving the charges are not true. We may all suspect it's not true, but a seed of doubt has been planted, and you have been irrepairably damaged.

-- (.X.@xxx.xxx), January 25, 2000.

Kirsten is a real person. Here's why: I came here recently in search of y2k news, and noticed the thread titled FAME by ICE. My hands and keyboard were still slimey from getting down in the pigpen with the RS Troll the previous week; but, someone has to take a stand occasionally. So, I decided to post our links to this board as background. I also posted an announcement on our home power generation board, telling folks where the Troll's new pigpen was.

Enter Kirsten. She fought the Troll to a draw over on the other board. (and she took her lumps.) Her posting dates there precede this thread. Plus, I have gotten a couple of emails from her. As to what the Troll sent her, I don't know, but his emails to me were very aggressive, with lots of his favorite troll words. Yes, she's a real person, with a sense of duty. I'm honored to have Kirsten's help exposing this troll, especially the web site she posted where the troll got banned. Thanks Kirsten, wherever you are! Married or not, you are a stand-up star! - Heckie

-- Heckie (hlujan45@aol.com), January 25, 2000.

http:www.killfile.org/dungeon/why/schwarz.html

wow- you really do go back Ron! or Flubnutz.org! omigod, there's Robert Holland (also from c.s.y2k and babylon 5 newsgroups!)

and my old pal Karl Denninger! (shudder)

who would have thunk it?

oh well, it's back to listening for the "GONG" of fate for me......

-- plonk! (realaddress@hotmail.com), January 25, 2000.

From what I understand from the threads here, Heckie (real name apparently "Hector") started out by sending unsolicited harassing email to Mr. Schwartz, and Mr. Schwartz then demanded that Hector cease and desist.

Hector did not like that, so he fired off a whiny rant to Mr. Schwartz's administrator demanding that something be done to silence Mr. Schwartz.

However, inasmuch as Mr. Schwartz is Mr. Schwartz's own administrator, Mr. Schwartz -- in his position as administrator -- replied to Hector again telling him to cease and desist sending unwanted email.

In short, Hector seems to be whining that the other guy hit him _back_ too hard.

Hector, smarting from his blunder, then followed Mr. Schwarz here, to continue his unwarranted series of attacks. And, Hector got his virtual nose bloodied yet again.

Hector should probably learn to stop starting fights if he doesn't like getting his virtual nose bloodied!

But the funniest part was watching Hector find a soul mate in an apparent newbie with an extremely "unique" pathology. Birds of a feather? Time will tell.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 25, 2000.

Heckie, whoever the heck you are, you toss the word "troll" around when you don't have a clue what it means to the people here. Ron Schwarz is a poster using his real name and e-mail (first clue...not a troll). Incidentally, so does his wife when she posts here (second clue...not a troll). Ron has been a regular contributer to this board for a long time (third clue...not a troll). When this forum went down a few days before rollover, Ron Schwarz took the time to organize an e-mail group so that we could all communicate during the rollover (fourth clue...not a troll). A lot of us know Ron, and he's no troll, darling. You, on the other hand, are a complete unknown here, who has come to this forum for the purpose of joining a newbie headcase in attacking Ron for being mean to you on another forum that has nothing to do with this one???? Take a look in the mirror, babe...troll spelled backwards is llort.

By the way, there is a nest where the real trolls on this forum hang out and high-five each other when this forum or any of its regular members get puked on, whether by them or others. They've been crowing about how you are smearing Ron, and even they think your hero that started this thread is mental. They really weren't too kind in what they wrote about you, either...maybe you should write a complaint to their administrator? Maybe you and Steve could go hang out with them instead? A lot of us would really appreciate it. Let us know if you need directions.

-- (This sucks@stop.stop), January 25, 2000.

Ouch! Good shot Sluggo! Well, that's one viewpoint. I offer another possibility, which is: Sluggo is an alternate name for the RS troll (a sock puppet). Reasons: Sluggo picks up too easily on the hints that our troll has left. Sluggo also knows things the troll told me personally.

The Emails: Showing is better than telling. Anyone wishing to view the original emails may send me a request. Make up your own mind on who is the Troll and net abuser. Naturally, I cannot respond to your email unless it's a real one. If I get lots of requests, perhaps I shall post them here. Anyone wishing to view the original mess left in the Home Power Generation BBS, please refer to my posts above. It's worth a look, and maybe even a laugh! Or in my case, a hot shower, because I surely felt dirty (slimey) afterwards.

A larger issue here is whether (or not) our Troll sent offensive material to a woman he found on the web, and, if so, whether she may wish to take action. If she does, I will certainly lay some money down to track the Troll to his real pigpen, and expose him in the real world. That will be tough to do, but perhaps the trailers/headers on his emails will be useful. He surely has to have a provider somewhere, hosting his domain name.

I think that's it for me on this thread. I'm going to go wash the slime off a bit and get back to reading our BBS, especially the latest oil posts. Thanks to all who responded thoughtfully, regardless on which viewpoint you took. Kirsten, thanks again - Heckie

-- Heckie (hlujan45@aol.com), January 25, 2000.

Hector, you really should be more circumspect when endorsing accusations of criminal behavior.

There _are_ laws pertaining to libel and slander, and from what I've heard, they _are_ enforced, even against Internet loudmouths like yourself.

From what I understand of the situation, you'd have nothing to gain, and everything to lose, should you post any email mentioned in this thread. So I have to wonder why you keep rattling your saber. Could it be that you're..._stupid_?

I'm not surprised that someone apparently driven by such lip- strumming stupidity seems to be unaware of the potential ramifications of his actions.

I'd call this a word to the wise, but I'm afraid it wouldn't apply in your case.

-- Sluggo (sluggo@your.head), January 25, 2000.

Heh. I'm sure Heckie will get a lot of e-mail requests from Steve and all his multiple personalities. Looks like Heckie hasn't figured out yet that "Kirsten" is Steve? I don't know if sluggo is Ron Schwarz or not, but I hope so. That would mean that he hasn't let a nutbag drive him off the forum, and he's smart enough not to want his inbox to start looking like the cast of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is holding it hostage.

-- (heh@heh.heh), January 25, 2000.

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/12063.html

Hey, check out the Ronnie sighting at Debunkers. One click below this url. He's over there, working hard. I hope this is a fitting "end" to this thread.

-- It's Private (its@priv.ate), January 28, 2000.

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/12063.html

All, Check out the Ronnie sighting at Debunkers. One click below this url. He's over there, working hard as usual. Dishing it out, and taking his hits. I hope this is a fitting "end" to this thread.

-- It's Private (its@priv.ate), January 28, 2000.