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-- Rick (rick@wmrs.edu), January 16, 2000


"Some former web products are currently unavailable due to software difficulties with the year 2000. Replacement products will be made available soon. Computer Section University of Hawaii Meteorology Department"

-- Rick (rick@wmrs.edu), January 16, 2000.


This is not a Y2K problem, this is a problem
with the computers calculating dates larger
than 1999. :-'

-- spider (spider0@usa.net), January 16, 2000.

Spider, So, if this were 2056, we'd still have a problem?

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), January 16, 2000.


My comment was pedipalp in cheek.

-- spider (spider0@usa.net), January 16, 2000.

Let me get this straight. We've had two problems with Satellite Ground station processing. These people should understand computers and have the skills and motivation to solve the problems.

On the other hand, every single one of the sleazy, do it on the cheap, companies have managed to fix their systems? How can this be/

Did the mafia run, illegal toxic waste dumps fix their payroll systems? Imagine the most marginal industry (some rug merchants who sell dope out the back of the loading dock), or maybe your state government workers (I was one once so I'm not picking on state workers at random.) did all these people fix all their systems and it's smoood sailing fur-sure?

I can imagine IBM, Exxon, NBC, Lucent, Fidelity Investments, etc. pulling it off but there are some pretty marginal outfits out there.

This is still a mystery.

-- shuush (Im@in.enough.trouble), January 16, 2000.

As somewhat of a weather nut (particularly tropical weather) I can attest that both satellite sites and text/model output sites go down a LOT...and have been for the last 2-3 years, particularly the university-based ones.

And Hawaii isn't really a "Ground Station"...which implies the main data/control site for a satellite...that's in Wallops Island Virginia for Goes 8, for example...the main place where data is received...

It's just one of thousands of sites that put up their own GOES 8-10 satellite pics with their own resolutions and design, etc, based on the same raw data that everyone else gets.

And most of these University sites are a couple guys, whatever old computers and free software they could scrounge up, on whatever leftover money their meteorology department could come up with.

Hawaii and OSU having y2k problems, in the grand scheme of weather sites coming and going, is not massively notable. I think I have something on the order of a thousand weather related links on my browser and there is much duplication of effort among these various sites. No one is blinded by Hawaii going down or OSU's text stuff going down.

In fact, while I'd used Lumahai a lot 3-4 years ago, over the last 1- 2 years they'd really been overtaken by other sat sites in speed of updating a given pic...

If you want something more serious, in 1998-1999, the main NCEP (National Centers for Environmental Prediction) mainframe that computes the majority of US weather forecast models was CONSTANTLY crashing. Mainly because it was an ANCIENT Cray from the late 1980s beyond its useful life. During this past years' hurricane season models that the NHC had relied on for forecasting were incredibly late or simply not run....leading to more reliance on European models. They were often making a forecast for storms in the latter half of this past hurricane season with only 1/2 the forecast models they usually use.

Then, Finally, the Cray went up in flames :-). They had to go to several months of reduced model runs (not as often, and more "coarse" resolution.)

The Cray has since been replaced with a new IBM SP, and now there are more model runs, and faster ones, than when the Cray was working fine, and to my knowledge there hasn't been a single crash.

Now, THAT all was a big deal and I seriously doubt anyone here noticed :-)

-- John H Krempasky (johnk@dmv.com), January 16, 2000.

And he wonders why people think he's with Rendon...

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 16, 2000.

John, do you have a current functioning source for a Goes 10/8 IR composite of the quality Hawaii has offered (consistantly over the last 2 years)?

-- Rick (rick@wmrs.edu), January 16, 2000.


Ah, I guess "Rendonite" is a badge I wear with honor. From reading the archives, ANYONE who had the faintest clue of what they were talking about, on any subject, was accused of being a government shill. I take it as a complement now :-)

Overall, for sat shots, I'm sort of partial to the Navy Research Lab Monterey


and http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/

Latter can be a bit erratic but when it's working it rules. Try the automatic zooms.

-- John H Krempasky (johnk@dmv.com), January 16, 2000.

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