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Posted by (209.214.73.17) Clear-headed Advocate for the Child on January 08, 2000 at 17:20:24:

In Reply to: Anyone have the latest on what's going on with the infant initial public offering? posted by Mr Polly on January 08, 2000 at 15:42:59:

"Please post an e-mail address and I will send you pertinent information. I hate to be cloak and dagger about it all, but I'm sure you understand. You and I have conversed before, BTW."

Not to mention the response from a pro-Debunkie advocate (notice how they DON'T EVEN TOUCH the fact that Debunkies already admitted once before about being involved behind the scenes and don't even try to defend B.C.'s actions...

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Gal

Bob, "And you, Deb, may your life be a living hell until you learn to withhold false witness on others. And may God fully forgive you when you have repented and apologized to those whome you have wrongfully accused. May you have the wisdom to see your errors, soon, and to repent."

They ALREADY did ADMIT that they contributed behind the scenes - WHY are you IGNORING this? Did you actually go to the URL I posted and read the thread, especially the part I bolded? It indeed, to me, looks like someone (or several) at Debunkies had a helping hand in trying to make Dennis' life more miserable... I don't call that making "false witness" - that would be if I had no links and was causing slander - and by the Debunkies' very own admission, they've had a hand in this matter... So, please do clarify how I've committed "false witness", otherwise you're not making any sense.

"For all you who are wishing ill on pollies and debunkers, let's see you wish something GOOD for a change. Let's see you take some concern into your hearts for the child and its mother, rather than raving with hate and disdain for pollies, and let's see you advocate some positive action, rather than wishing ill to those who you seem to hate already. You're accomplishing precisely ZILCH with your whining and carping."

How do you know that I haven't already contributed and done good for others? Personally, I've already made donations from my preps to a local foodbank. I've also sent more than a little money to different charities nation-wide and I also donate time and clothing too. So I DO speak from the heart. What exactly have YOU done to help the situation, here or elsewhere? What do YOU do in your daily life to help make life more bearable for others? Do you donate money and food daily to homeless street people? Do you donate to those who take meals and clothing to them? How do you treat the people around you, not only family and friends, but strangers needing "a little grace" too? Yes Bob, I DO contribute, every day of my life.

"Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is 'winning,' the way the situation is going right now. Olson's losing, the mother and child are losing, and all you seem to be able to do is bitch and moan."

Bob, I agree that nobody is winning, I DO feel badly for the mother and child. However, about "bitching and moaning" you aren't seeing the point, though I don't know if it's intentional or not. I try to not generalize about Debunkies or trolls, but their personal attacks are unexcusable. If you don't agree with someone's actions, fine. Just don't attack them personally for it - and that's what's being done. Please try to explain this (see below) then, considering that no-one except the mother and Dennis knows EXACTLY what's occured...

"How the F**K do you know you stupid B***H? Have you personally visited the Olsons in Wisconsin to check this out? Or as usual are you just running your big mouth off with no facts in hand. Stick to youre cut and pastes and shut the hell up about that which you know nothing about."

The only thing I've ever gotten from Debunkies (aka Trolls) has been personal attacks such as from Bill Collector and the fact that they NEVER prove their side of the discussion. How does Bill Collector know the full story? How do you know the full story? Deal is, none of us do, only Dennis and the family does... Debunkies offers maliciousness where I and others on this board offer hope.

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), January 09, 2000.

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), January 09, 2000

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Well, well...Looks like an admission from CPR himself. Dennis, I really hope you can use this:

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/10655.html

Hey, DEB. M ..........get facts before you run your BIG FAT MOUTH!!!!

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Posted by (208.189.71.48) cpr on January 09, 2000 at 07:24:10:

YOU BETTER FIND OUT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FIRST. WE ARE HARDLY DEFENSIVE HERE.

SOMEONE ........*SHOULD* HAVE CALLED THE POLICE AND THE CPS.

***HINT: *SOMEONE* DID.

NOW...........BIG MOUTH...........GO CALL OR E-MAIL......DENNIS AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON AND POST THAT..........BEFORE YOU SHOOT YOUR MOUTH OFF AGAIN.

CPR XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), January 09, 2000.

My, my, Deb. I would have thought that cpr (A WORLD-CLASS DORK WHO CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN OFF HIS CAPS-LOCK!!!) would have become a little more forgiving in his apparent sort-of victory. Wrong, of course. It looks like you've just about unhinged the boy. So much for winning graciously.

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), January 09, 2000.

That doork fell off its hinges a long long time ago :-P

-- DNR (vipers@bunka.pit), January 09, 2000.

Deb, I'm confused. Are you saying that it was bad that someone supposedly called the police and Child Protection Services about this? Why is this bad? Don't you want the teenage mother and her newborn to be in the best hands possible?

Perhaps that's the difference between you and the "debunkers." When it comes right down to it, the debunkers want to help children in trouble. All you seem to want to do is hurt people.

What a sad life you must lead.

-- (sad@sad.deb), January 09, 2000.

"Deb, I'm confused. Are you saying that it was bad that someone supposedly called the police and Child Protection Services about this? Why is this bad? Don't you want the teenage mother and her newborn to be in the best hands possible?" Define "best hands possible". Considering the Debunkers past history (see paragraphs below), I doubt that they would have her best interests at heart either. Considering the amount of malice and torment they've provided in the past, I doubt that was their intention, and why I believe that litigation could be founded upon. Outsiders, butting in, especially when they don't know the full story, isn't necessary.

"Perhaps that's the difference between you and the "debunkers." When it comes right down to it, the debunkers want to help children in trouble. All you seem to want to do is hurt people."

Really? Please enlighten me as to how you come to that conclusion, considering the "normal" responses Debunkers posts. Take in consideration the attack against "Long in Tooth" by "Mr. Polly", or some of the other posters admitting to "spamming" other boards - that would be indicative that many in Debunkers do NOT follow laws, in fact are INDIFFERENT to them. Indeed, definitely not posterchild material for Ms. Manners now, hmmmmm?

Very funny Sad, quite funny considering how mentally unbalance MOST of the Debunkers are. You should really take the time to go through their archives - mainly it appears to be self-imposed social isolationism and poor social interaction skills. Hardly the choice group for "intervention"... In fact, I'd probably donate quite a bit to a university to use them as a control group for abnormal psychology. I'm sure at least one Ph.D. would be garnered by that study.

"What a sad life you must lead."

No, not really, I'm quite happy. I donate quite a bit of money, materials and time to charity and have a wonderful family and good friends. I live life and appreciate all of its wonders. I am content.

What about you, sad?

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), January 09, 2000.

Sad.

My guess is that Deb M. needs so badly to be somebody that she clings to this forum in the hopes that her thoughts and opinions will be held in high regard. She appears to be a very lonely individual with little or no social life. Therefore, when she is attacked or opposed she takes everything very personally. Having few friends in her real life, she is desperate to be loved and respected on this forum. By taking what she thinks will be a popular stand (All trolls are evil, Pollys must pay, God will punish you) her status on the forum will be elevated. Read her retorts to other posters and you will have a better insight into the type of person that she is. Her profile might look like this: Unattractive single woman in her late 30s, early 40s. Has a mundane job with the State of Ohio and has few friends and not much of a life outside of her job. With her there is no debate, it is simply a need to be liked. Very sad.

-- Look (at@the.facts), January 09, 2000.

Nice try Look, but no dice... The bottom picture is the most recent. http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2673/hik.htm

1. Early 30's.

2. Have belonged to the Ohio Historical Society, American Red Cross and work with local church charity organizations. Love to hike, read, travel and explore.

As for you Look, your profile isn't nearly so pretty, now is it? A hateful, spiteful person, who's only meaning in life is to cause pain to others so that your own pain is vindicated. You must have had an awful childhood to turn you into such a tormented individual.

At least I try to bring out the TRUTH instead of deception, hatred and vindictiveness as you have brought forth.

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), January 09, 2000.

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Deb; Look is apparently one of the juvenile Debunkies, judging from his inability to attack the message and not the messenger. Little minds have such a hard time staying on topic.

Truly the Olson's were doing an unselfish act by helping the young woman and her child. This is probably something that is totally beyond their comprehension. The "milk of human kindness" is definitely lacking in their diet.

-- Cary Mc from Tx (Caretha@compuserve.com), January 09, 2000

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), January 09, 2000.

"Don't you want the teenage mother and her newborn to be in the best hands possible?"

Of course we do.

Which brings us to our next point, tovarisch.

It seems that there is someone who can provide a better life for *YOUR* children than *you* are able to provide, tovarisch.

So -- for the children -- we're going to have to give this lucky^H^H^H^H^H worthy couple from the politburo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H next town the care and custody of your children, tovarisch.

The regional Caring Committee will provide you with the address where you can send your payments for this service, tovarisch.

Remember, it's For The Children! And they MUST be in "the best hands possible".

If at some point you are able to earn a better living than the Worthy Couple -- and buy a bigger house in a better neighborhood -- please feel free to petition The Committee for reconsideration, tovarisch. We are always willing to investigate to find out who *truly* have The Best Hands!

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 09, 2000.

Deb, the smutmouth wankers from Debunkie have nothing to offer save foulness. Ignore the trash and walk in grace.

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), January 09, 2000.

"Don't you want the teenage mother and her newborn to be in the best hands possible?"

Of course we do.

Which brings us to our next point, tovarisch.

It seems that there is someone who can provide a better life for *YOUR* children than *you* are able to provide, tovarisch.

So -- for the children -- we're going to have to give this lucky^H^H^H^ H^H worthy couple from the politburo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H next town the care and custody of your children, tovarisch.

Thanks, but I'll just put them up for grabs right here on the Internet if it's all the same to you.

So, anyone want my kids?? They're in pretty good condition and hardly even used. Just make me an offer and we'll set something up. Thanks!!

-- (sad@sad.deb), January 09, 2000.

Good answer, Ron; except now they'll be trying to track YOU down so they can call the cops on YOU. I'm Lucky, I already have cops in my family, and they will gladly tell the debunkers to kiss off. In a genteel way, of course. Speak softly and carry a big gun. It works for Them. But the debunkers ARE a prime example of the facist mentality.

-- DB (tomG@h.com), January 09, 2000.

And maybe even Fascist mentality...

-- db (same@that.above), January 09, 2000.

Okay, Deb. I'll tell you how you're committing false witness. A posting on a message board saying some garbage about how someeone's already done something offline sure is weak justification for you to have decided precisely WHO did precisely WHAT. And you appear to have already decided WHO did WHAT, since you're throwing out words like malfeasance. Tell us, what IS malfeasance? And how could anyone involved in all this be accused of it?

I'm not ignoring anything, Deb. I'm especially not ignoring the fact that you're taking some very thin, very weak and very circumstantial evidence and turning it into a legal accusation. Maybe it looks to you like someone's trying to give Dennis a hard time. But maybe they aren't. I think that Dennis lost his job, as bad a thing as that is, because of his own foul mouth and his own reach for fame. I think the Debunkers are more worried about a hateful person with thousands of rounds of ammo, gasoline in the basement, an avowed bloodlust for public officials and a provable anger management problem getting his hands on an infant and its mother without going through proper, legal channels. I see two separate things here. You see one, and accuse people you find handy. Debunkers appear to have suggested that they had A hand in A matter. On the other hand, you appear to think they're behind the scenes, orchestrating the whole thing. What a laugh. False witness. QED.

What have I done to help others? Much the same things you have, but that's not really the point here. I'm not the one screaming for people to be investigated or accused of anything. I'm also not one of those on here who have screamed for the blood of pollies and "jackbootid gubmint thugs." You don't have some kind of karmic debt that says you can crap on others all you want as long as you do some good deeds to cancel the bad things out. Try being good ALL the time, even on this board, Deb, not just when it suits you. That would include not falsely accusing others on paper-thin circumstantial evidence. The question is not how does Bob treat the people around him, the question is how does Deb treat the people around her? With "a little grace?" Or with false witness? Think about it, Deb.

You're a funny poster, Deb. You say you avoid generalizations, yet you use them liberally. Example -- "I try to not generalize about Debunkies or trolls, but GENERALIZATION ABOUT DEBUNKIES/TROLLS." Further, the bitching and moaning IS the point. So many of the posters here, and you're included, are spending more time crapping on each other rather than calling for swift, decisive LEGAL action to get these two kids under a permanent roof. For some reason, lately Olson's lost job has come to mean more to some posters on here than the fact that two children are essentially homeless. Point all the fingers you want AFTER the kids are taken care, of, Deb. But keep your eye on the ball NOW.

I don't care about the obscene poster, Deb, and since I'm not that poster, I don't owe you an explanation. YOU obviously missed MY point that my comments were directed at EVERYONE who is acting negatively about this baby to-do. And that includes the foulmouthed poster you included. I'm talking to HIM/HER, too.

And one more thing, Deb, exactly HOW are you providing hope here when you accuse others falsely? There is plenty of malice on this board, and it's not confined solely to debunkers. Your pals here offer plenty of malice. There's no corner on malice with anyone.

Bob

-- Robert Dobbs (bob.dobbs@slack.com), January 09, 2000.

Let 'em. My kids are adults, living in two other states. Cops in my family too, btw.

The argument that it's OK to rip someone's kids away from them if you can demonstrate that you can find a "better" environment for them cuts two ways, with a vengeance. I daresay I could pick *any* family, and given a day or two, come up with a "better environment" for the kids.

What then?

Is *that* the kind of country we want to live in?

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 09, 2000.

The argument that it's OK to rip someone's kids away from them if you can demonstrate that you can find a "better" environment for them cuts two ways, with a vengeance.

Nobody's ripping anyone's kids away. The baby was given up voluntarily right here on this forum.

-- (sad@sad.deb), January 09, 2000.

Bob, You're making assumptions here, indeed some "gross" ones. I am not accusing all of the Debunkers of orchestrating the entire affair, however, I AM bringing to light that they have had a hand in at least a PART of the issue, and (my opinion) that if THEY had acted with any INTENTIONAL MALICE, proven in court, against Dennis then I hoped that my posting the Debunkie threads could be used by Dennis for his defence.

As to why I believe this way, I only have to look at the Debunkies past actions to have a rational reason for why I believe this way. Many that post there are venomous, spiteful and show extremely anti- social behavior. Some their have advocated spamming attacks, trying to shut down this board and also hideous verbal attacks against any who try to have a pertinent discussion there. Their very indifference to social norms could perhaps indicate their willingness to go to extremes to try to "harm" someone they do not like. I do not know for certain that they have tried to cause Dennis misery, but my suspicion is that they might have tried to do so. As for specific names, I have only mentioned that CPR has hinted that he knew that someone called the authorities, and from the way it sounded, he knew details fairly intimately...

As for the mother and child, if they need to be moved, then so be it. I hope and pray for their physical and mental well-being. However, with what I've heard of foster parentage, it could still be a very ugly scenario for them. My opinion is that they family should go in for extensive family and parental counseling. As for the scenario, and the unique circumstances involved, I believe that tolerance and mercy is the key - as long as there is no history of prior physical or mental abuse... My goal has never been one of seeing them suffer, I've currently only been concentrating on defending Dennis' good intentions, during an extremely stressful and trying time, against those who would vilify him.

As for your opinion of Dennis, I believe the very same things could be said of many posters over at Debunkies, whom I've assailed against. You know my opinions, and if you aren't familiar with their posts then you should do your own investigation of their archives... What you'll find there exponentially overwhelms any intentional malice that might be found upon this board.

With my personal malice, such as the curse I called down, it is intended for those who would cause intentional suffering, intentional torment, such as some of those who post at Debunkies and some of the trolls. I have every justification for wishing the same actions upon them that they enjoy inflicting upon others. Perhaps you don't like my methods, but my patience has grown very thin with their juvenile attacks, and someone must call them to order, or at least show a reflection of their inherent ugliness to them. May God be forgiving to them, and to you and I also.

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), January 09, 2000.

Deb,

It is none of your business. If Olson wants to answer to all of this, I'm sure he will. You are making a fool of yourself. I'm sure the last thing he wants is you calling attention to this.

Get my drift???? wink wink Shut the hell up!!

-- (Lurkin@gain.com), January 09, 2000.

Sad.Deb, You Ignorant Slut.

What part of "Don't you want the teenage mother and her newborn to be in the best hands possible?" don't you understand?

Did you even bother to *read* what I was responding to before defecating on my post?

You said -- in your idiocy -- "Nobody's ripping anyone's kids away. The baby was given up voluntarily right here on this forum."

BS.

1. Claiming a right to give children to "the best hands possible" opens a can of worms that I doubt even someone as stupid as YOU would want opened.

2. The baby was NOT given away, here, or anywhere else. The mother and the child are *VISITING* another family. You have a PROBLEM with that? You think that having a mother and child VISIT with friends is reason to have the state sink its talons into her family?

I guess so.

Gee, that would make you... a monster!

Climb back under your rock.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 09, 2000.

The mother and the baby aren't just visiting a friend of the family. They are two minors sent to live with someone because their grandmother, Hokie, didn't think she could takes care of them if Y2K was bad. Don't make this sound like a long weekend, Ron. There might very well BE a legitimate problem here.

-- Hey Ron (doomer@pollywantacracker.com), January 09, 2000.

Listen closely, Deb. Point all the fingers you want AFTER the kids are taken care of. But keep your eye on the ball NOW.

Oh, yes, some questions. What's malfeasance? If you're going to accuse someone of it, then perhaps you could tell us what it is. How are you providing "hope" on this board when you extend false witness? If you try to avoid using generalizations, then why do you seem to use them so much?

Deb, the only assumptions being made here are yours. I've said before that there are two -- count 'em -- two issues here, and you seem to be conveniently lumping them together. Even if someone from Debunky DID call Family and Child services, that's not a crime. In fact, if there is evidence of a hazardous environment, evidence of child mistreatment or evidence that adoption laws are being bypassed, then it is a crime NOT to call Family and Child Services in many states. Malice, intentional or otherwise, doesn't enter into the discussion, no matter how much you might want it to.

You can rave all you want about misbehaving and spamming Debunkers. I could do the same about misbehaving, spamming violent and threatening TimeBombers. In the end, neither argument gets anyone anywhere, and forgets that the mother and child are the prime concern here. However, the apparent indifference toward legal process exhibited by some members of the TB2000 forum might perhaps indicate a willingness by some here to flout some laws they do not like. We know for a fact that Mr. Olson threatened to shoot any law officers or Family and Child Services officials who came to his residence. You can defend him if you like, but I see nothing worth defending in that attitude. In fact, there's much to condemn in it.

Further, your "suspicion" that Debunkers may have tried to cause Mr. Olson's misery overlooks the rather strong likelihood that he might have caused his own misery. Yes, tortious interference in another's employment is considered a crime. But if you honestly think that someone from Debunky called up Olson's boss and talked him into firing the guy, then you're more credulous and naive than I thought at first. If YOU were making employment decisions for others, would YOU fire someone on the anonymous say-so of a crank caller? I didn't think so.

Also, Deb, you need to go back and read your own posts more closely. Until this particular post, you did NOT mention that CPR had "hinted that he knew that someone called the authorities." You rather clearly suggested that some person or persons from Debunky had had a hand in causing Mr. Olson's troubles.

I agree with you that the mother and child, as well as the grandmother involved in this whole sad tale, need to receive family counseling. It might not hurt Mr. Olson to do likewise, given his reaction to those people on this forum who have objected to his cavalier attitude and vehement threats of violence. You can defend Olson's good intentions all you want. The road to Hell is paved with them. And regardless of what you may think, no one on this board, doomer or polly, wants to see anyone involved in this suffer. However, many people here do NOT believe that Dennis Olson is the best person to have custody of the mother and child, no matter how highly you may think of him personally.

Olson needs no one to vilify him. He did an excellent job of vilifying himself on this very board last week. And you can say what you want of Debunkers and pollies, but I think we both know who's been posting messages over the last year or so calling for the death and starvation of others, don't we? Which board harbors people who call for the shooting of UN troops (which I haven't seen yet, by the way)? Which board has regulars who expressed a desire to see their opponents dead? Which board said "they'll all be dead in three weeks?"

I think THAT exponentially overwhelms any intentional malice found on Debunky. And it appears to do a middling good job of overwhelming any intentional goodwill found on THIS board, too.

You can take your curse and apply it to your buddies on here who wanted to cause harm, pain and suffering to others. Apply your ill will to those who WANTED to see others starve. Call for bad things to happen to your fellow posters who were talking about shooting others. I have every justification for wishing the same actions upon them that they enjoy inflicting upon others, but I'm NOT. I don't wish them ANY harm. You have a VERY skewed view of what constitutes ill will and good intentions, Deb. If you want to call someone to order, and show them how ugly they are, then start right here in your own back yard. Get your own house in order before telling someone else how to run theirs.

Bob

-- Robert Dobbs (bob.dobbs@slack.com), January 09, 2000.

Hey, moron, "daughters in trouble" have been sent to stay with friends and relatives for as long as... for as long as girls have been "getting in trouble".

It's only (relatively) *recently* that the social work establishment has been given the right to shove the porkly nose of The State where it doesn't belong.

You sound like a statist.

I'll bet you *are* one.

In fact, I bet you think that's a *compliment*.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 09, 2000.

'http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2673/hik.htm'

Which one is you?

-- Look (at@the.facts), January 09, 2000.

How many thousands of years have grandmothers been sending their minor daughters and infant grandson's to live with strangers they met on the Internet?

-- Hey Ron (doomer@pollywantacracker.com), January 10, 2000.

Hey dork -- they're not strangers.

Guess what, fool?

I met my *wife* on the Internet.

Maybe you'd have me arrested for that?

You're really quite a piece of work...

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 10, 2000.

No, I wouldn't have you arrested. However, if you were a minor, not even old enough to drive a car, and your parents had placed a personal ad on your behalf and then proceeded to send you to live with a stranger, then I might get the authorities involved.

-- Hey Ron (doomer@pollywantacracker.com), January 10, 2000.

Define "a stranger", jerk.

Your "I *only* care for the *chidren*" act is pretty damned transparent.

The fact that there's a bunch of anklebiters who despise Dennis and are looking for any sham excuse to rip into him... speaks volumes as to their motivation.

So what can a reasonable person say, except piss off, troll.

-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), January 11, 2000.

Ron . . . you met your wife on the intenet? How much postage did it take got get her shipped over here? And wasn't she all sticky from the stamps? And how'd they fit her into your mailbox? Or maybe they just left her on your doorstep until you got home from work?

And where'd you find her? I was thinking about adding half a dozen breeding fillies to my mountain fortre, uh, ranch. Maybe I should look overseas for my marital needs, too.

-- Hank McGurk (loser.classifieds@wifepurchase.com), January 11, 2000.

Well, I guess insults are easier than trying to rebut anything I said.

-- Hey Ron (doomer@pollywantacracker.com), January 11, 2000.

Oh, Ron, Ron, I had SO hoped it wouldn't come to this. You're talking like Bill Clinton now. If someone defines "a stranger" for you, then next thing, you'll be asking someone to define "sex" and "is" for you. And I had SUCH high hopes for you, Ron.

I don't think the "I only care for the children" thing is at all transparent. It makes perfect sense to me. You, on the other hand, only seem to be able to focus on what this all means to Dennis. You seem to be doing a pretty good job of IGNORING the mother and child. But then again, you weren't real concerned about them anyway, were you?

Ron, find us some anklebiters on here. I, for one, have never nipped an ankle. Besides, just because YOU think some people on here despise Dennis doesn't make it so. I feel sorry for him. I'm very sorry he lost his job. But he will GET BY, Ron. He's PREPARED. Remember? Worry about the mother and child, Ron. Worry about the ones who WEREN'T prepared.

I need no excuse to rip into Dennis. I can rip into him just fine any time I want. In your beetle-browed, sloping-forehead rush to judgement here, you have conveniently forgotten that no one who's disagreeing with you is slamming Dennis. YOU'RE talking about Dennis. The people who disagree with you are talking about the mother and child. I think that speaks volumes as to YOUR motivation.

So what can a reasonable person say? How about "wipe the drool off your face, Ron, you're foaming at the mouth."

-- Gym Schwartz (ron.needs@lithium.com), January 11, 2000.

I was very alarmed by the original thread soliciting the adoption of the baby. However, I had the distinct impression when Dennis stepped in that the mother's family did know Dennis personally (more than as an internet acquaintance). I recall Dennis posting something to the effect of being surprised that sometimes one may know so little of his neighbor's problems.

-- (cccc@ccc.ccc), January 11, 2000.

Yo Ron Schwarz,

I suppose if one spends as much time on here as you do, you're bound to meet something or other.

-- (Boxer Schwarz@ron.needs a life), January 11, 2000.

Deb and Ron, ignore these idiots. Too chi*ckensh*t to post with their real names, reminds me of Dracula's invisible crazy women in the dungeon, you know, the ones in 'The Legend of Dracula' starring Wynona Ryder, Keanu Reeves and Gary Oldman?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), January 11, 2000.

"Deb and Ron, ignore these idiots?" Oh, yeah, don't bother talking to someone or responding to their statements, Ron, just post insults at them. And Deb apparently can't be bothered to respond, because she's too busy pronouncing her curses on pollies who use words like "chickenshit."

Why bother posting with a real name? As if anyone on here reads them, other than Dennis "I'm-gonna-come-to-your-house-and-shoot-you" Olson. Would YOU give your address and phone number to a stalker, a burglar, a Muslim terrorist or anyone else who meant you harm? I didn't think so. Neither would I.

"Dracula's invisible crazy women in the dungeon." Hmm. Well, I'm in the dungeon with the other crazies, but I sure don't seem to be invisible. Love ya! xxxxxxooooooooo

-- Kiss N. Tell (never.onna@firstdate.com), January 11, 2000.