Link to story

http://www.humanitarian.net/challenges

Thermostat Apparently Malfunctions at Gold-Plating Facility; Fire, Evacuation Result Diamond Springs, CA, United States 1/2/2000- 9:00 AM -----

The fire at Celebrities, Incorporated apparently started because a thermostat controlling the temperature of a chemical tank malfunctioned early yesterday (1/2/2000) morning, causing the solution to overheat and ignite.

The fire burned for about an hour.

Because of the hazardous materials in the warehouse, fire officials evacuated about a dozen nearby homes and closed a nearby road for about a mile in each direction.

The three injured were firefighters who suffered respiratory aggravation while fighting the fire. They were treated and released from a nearby hospital.

Sources ( * indicates the original source) Source Details Media - Associated Press * 01-03-2000 0027PST html

-- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress@aol.com), January 06, 2000

Answers

Carl, tragedies and mishaps occur every day....again, I ask you, where is the link to Y2K? You seem to have a propensity for posting disasters without proffering any sort of documenting evidence (no matter how slight, I'd appreciate it) of a Y2K connection.

-- Ynott (Ynott@incorruptible.com), January 06, 2000.

I second that motion

-- voynik (voynik@aol.com), January 06, 2000.

Ynott,

Since it now seems to me quite likely that we are all probably not going to die a slow horrible death in the cold clinging to the last few traces of warmth from a heating grate, I am now interested in seeing if any patterns emerge from these incidents and the media's reporting of them. So for myself I find these postings quite useful, though I am far from leaping to the conclusion that they are all automatically Y2K related. Sadly I think, to be objective about this, I will have to suspend my own judgement on all of these reports and just wait and see if a broader picture emerges. Until (or IF) litigation starts in the next few months regarding some of these mishaps we will likely not have any clue whatsoever whether or not these incidents have anything at all to do with Y2K, and since there does not seem to have been a "Daily Industrial Disaster Forum" online prior to the rollover, we really have nothing to compare it to. Are more incidents of this nature occuring post 1-1-2000? Who knows? I for one am very interested in hearing ANY news that MAY be related though: I invested a lot of time and energy in prepping and I would like to see whether it was all for naught.

John Ludi

-- Ludi (ludi@rollin.com), January 06, 2000.

Oh yes, thank you Carl for all of the excellent posts!

John Ludi

-- Ludi (ludi@rollin.com), January 06, 2000.

Not much chance of having a y2k connection mentioned in news stories such as this...not gonna happen. Like Shockwave has said here in this forum...(I'm paraphrasing)...it's about insurance and liability. Good example would be the Silicone Breast Implant issue.

I look at it like this...if a serious disaster is reported, I become curious about computer malfunction or glitch and follow the story. It is up to the experts to investigate the cause, and investigations are a process...they take time...even years. So I don't look for the answers right away. But one should look for patterns, since this is how intelligence is derived. If something happens once, it is an isolated incident, twice...a coincidence, maybe, three times or more...a pattern is then noted. This is the basis for intel gathering.

It is wise to question, but not rush to judgement for the margin of error can be high with both

-- Dee (T1Colt556@aol.com), January 06, 2000.

Carl, thanks for your posts. We need to take note of these incidents and try to determine if a trend is emerging. We are not going to be able to establish a relationship to Y2K in most instances, but we should be looking for increasing rates of failures.

-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), January 06, 2000.

Keep up the good work Carl!

-- Lisa (lisadawn@yahoo.com), January 06, 2000.

Was this a digital thermostat? Did it contain an embedded chip that failed and allow the heat to build up?

Did a chip control the boiler in the VA hospital which caused the CO to back into the hospital?

Did a chip control the pressure valves at the Ice plant in Davy FL.

I DON'T KNOW!!! But I'd sure as hell like to know. MAybe these thing happen every day, but we don't hear about them. Then again maybe not. We need to be diligent, and truly do a trend analysis on this.

-- Duke1983 (Duke1983@aol.com), January 06, 2000.

Carl....thanks for the story.

I think we can all come to our own deductions.

Ynott....I think our news is censored enough, don't you?

-- cin (cinlooo@aol.com), January 06, 2000.

To me, reportable accidents such as above are guilty of Y2K until proven innocent in a court of law. Because true to nature no accident reported by the news agency of this nation is going to admit that any accident is in face Y2K related. So because of the blackout concerning cause as reported by business and media, they are guilty untill proven innocent, and this will happen when they file claims for resstitution of damages. Those lawyers that rely so much on lies will in fact bring out the truth.

-- Notforlong (Fsur439@aol.com), January 06, 2000.

Here is the Url from the local paper about this fire. It was similar to one that they had earlier.

http://www.mtdemocrat.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2000/Janu ary/5-654-V16_N4.TXT

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-- (t@ttt.tt), January 06, 2000.

I agree with Ludi and cinlooo!! Unless it is absolutely undeniable a Y2k glitch, every excuse/reason under the sun will be used to explain "problems" in the near future. Y2K "experts" both doomers and Pollies have always said long-term "systems degradation" will be the issue.

-- (karlacalif@aol.com), January 06, 2000.

One more time I can state for the record that there is absolutely no reason for Corporations, this early in the game to fess up to any Y2k failures particularly when people get hurt. It is a rather comforting to have your insurance company provide a defense for you, under your own in house supervision. It would be downright idiotic for the Corporate Counsel or Corporate Officers to admit that it was a Y2K related failure. #1, the CC had better be right #2 it assures the Company it would have to shell out money for its own defense from the beginning. The Company would then have to file a claim against its Insurance Company for a failure to defend. I feel there is going to be a lot of litigation that will be generated against and between Defendant Corporations and its Insurance Companies not just from plaintiffs. Just my two cents.

A Lawyer who is

-- lurking, as usual (lindagrog@aol.com), January 06, 2000.