### Paul Milne, Revisited

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May 1999

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000nzI

Jan 2000

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002E0G

What Paul Milne said last May in response to my request for predictions....

"1. If the power grid fails, how long and what percentage of the U.S. will be impacted?

Every bank will be 'impacted'. The system will collapse.

2. How many U.S. banks will fail in the year 2000?

It matters not. Enough will to render the point moot.

3. What percentage of businesses will fail between Jan. 1, 2000, and December 31, 2000?

How many are there?

4. What will the U.S. unemployment rate be on July 1, 2000?

I will be fully employed. I have my livestock to tend, my garden to cultivate and my firewood to cut. Did I need anything else?

5. How far will the S&P 500 fall (percentage)?

Again, irrelevant. It will descend far enough to render the point moot.

6. How many of the 150 largest MSAs (metropolitan statistical areas) will experience serious rioting or social unrest between Jan. 1, 2000 and March 31, 2000?

The rioting will die down as the cities burn and the population stabilizes at a fractional amount. As to the date.... The effects will kick in over a period of time. It will not be a sudden jump off a cliff. It depends on how few people actually did prepare.

7. At what level will the U.S. railroads run as of February 1, 2000 (percentage of capacity)?

A meaningless amount. The date again...see number 6. Oh, and you forgot Aiports, Airlines, Public transportation, shipping, parcel services etc etc.

8. How much will GDP drop by the end of 2000?

Do you think you will be worried about GDP? Food will occupy your thoughs.

9. How long will it take a traveler to go from New York to Los Angeles on July 1, 2000?

What difference will it make? You won't be leaving the detention camp after you are caught looting because you did not prepare. That is if you are not shot on sight.

10. How much will a gallon of whole milk, a loaf of white bread and dozen eggs cost on July 1, 2000?

For me....

Milk: Free. Dairy cows, dontcha know. Bread: Free: We bake our own bread from wheat that we grind, dontcha know. Eggs: Free. Rhode Island Reds, dontcha know.

For you: How much do you got? I like chunks of gold. Make sure you bring a sackful.

Now I have one for you.

If you have not made substantial preparations and it all goes down, even though you did not think it would, how long will you live?

Kinda makes your first ten questions pale, doesn't it?

-- Paul Milne (fedonfo@halifax.com), May 07, 1999."

Paul Milne in January 2000:

"I have repeatedly stated that the problem, in its essence is ECONOMIC, not technical. You will find that we are on the brink of some of the biggest historical moves to the downside that we have ever seen."

and from his viligant defender "a":

"...Milne has preached that its an economic problem as long as I've been here, 18 months. His position is what caused me to realize that we were probably in for another depression. I always thought this was the most likely outcome, but that a total collapse was also a possibility. Largest speculative bubble in history + biggest structured debt scheme in history + historically unprecedented y2k disruptions destroying efficiency and confidence = very serious problem"

*****

Was Milne predicting "economic problem" or "apocalypse?" You decide.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), January 05, 2000

Milne has advanced well beyond the need to be crowed at... he needs to be bitch slapped and sent to his room with no supper.

What a fruitcake!

I ALWAYS told everyone around here NOT to take technical advice from a pig famer... but did you listen? noooooooooooooooooo!!

-- (heres@laughing. at you Milne), January 05, 2000.

Beating a "dead horse" is definitely unproductive and frankly quite boring. Everybody has a right to be wrong but possibly not a right to be so vocal about it. I would have thought you were a bigger person than this. I am disappointed.

He made a guess, he was wrong (so far). Lets move on now...

-- BiGG (supersite@antigopro.net), January 05, 2000.

Milne (like the rest of the loons) has been cackling his uneducated rhetoric for WAY too long. Those who defend him and cry about people being too vocal with their corrections and "I told you so's" would be the loudest to say they were right, (if it were possible).

Doomers - take your medicine. You have irresponsibly scared the bejesus out of way too many people for way too long to be allowed to just go away quietly. The fact that you are even still here on this board shows that you want either 1) to be rediculed by those of us in the intelligent community who can think for themselves --or-- 2) are still praying for a failure, ANY FAILURE, to justify your rediculous doom-and-gloom predictions.

You were wrong. Accept it.

-- Thomas Redder (t_redder@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

Beating a "dead horse" is definitely unproductive and frankly quite boring.

Milne is far from a "dead horse." Why, even now, he is adamantly insisting that the Polly's are premature in their celebrations and that he will "laugh last."

Imagine that, he will "laugh last." At what, I wonder? The Pollies are laughing at him because he looks silly. He's still alive, not drinking piss from a hubcap, not shovelling lime on the hastily dug shallow grave of his children, but just plain looks silly. And Pollies think that's funny.

Paul's predictions are for economic collapse, looting and rioting, millions dead from starvation because "their big-brained parents didn't prepare." And he will "laugh last."

I guess he must think that scenario is pretty funny.

-- (duh@duh.duh), January 05, 2000.

Yes, and everyone has the right to be stupid and gullibleenjoy your freedoms!

-- Look (at@the.facts), January 05, 2000.

I'm not sure what your motivation is here Ken.

You know good & well there is no dialogue possible with Mr. Milne. There's no drawing him out. If it's a matter of attempting to embarrass him - he doesn't appear to have that particular weakness. He cares not what you or I think of him.

Anyone who has been around the internet Y2K scene knows of Milne's predictions. So you're not providing a heads-up to folks.

Am I to surmise you're simply having a laugh in public?

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), January 05, 2000.

Milne and his sidekick are engaging in revisionist history. I imagine some of the extreme pessimists will claim they said "all along" Y2K would have primarily economic impacts. In short, they'll change their predictions to fit the outcomes. Milne's predictions were quite graphic... and usually involved the death of everyone who didn't believe him. Milne obviously believed in his predictions... and he ought to stand behind them. If he wants to CHANGE his predictions, fine. But let's not pretend Paul Milne was a closet polly during the past 18 months.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), January 05, 2000.

Ken, I've occasionally argued some topics with you -sometimes you seem like you are sincerely trying to make a point.

The facts are -Milne's scenario WOULD be occurring, had we had Oil disrupted, Banks go down, Power off, or any other number of possible infrastructure failures.

In another post, you claimed there were "reams" of info available stating how Y2K had been fixed and was not a problem. Please give us 5 references of such info - that is NOT just a PR guy giving a press report.

All the 10 Q's I read, stated that the "company" had done remediation, and was relying on Vendor compliance etc., and that they had no control over certain things outside their company.

In a vacuum of verified, un-biased reporting, a thinking person's only choice was to prepare. Relying on wishful thinking, or hoping that the greed of companies to stay in business, would allow them to do so, given what appeared to be complacency and many late starts, was not a prudent approach.

The fact that attitude of nonchalance was successful, does not make it a superior course of action over the long term.

As you have appeared to be a thinking person, based on the information at hand these last two years, Milne's prediction was as good as anyone else's.

Are we raking you over the coals because you thought we'd see more disruptions? 20 Oil refineries blowing up, would have us well on the way to Milne Land. Can you really be so smug about a variable so fragile?

What is your point for God's sake????

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), January 05, 2000.

Thomas Redder,

It's over -- I was wrong -- I was ALL wrong - I accept it.

Since you said it...it must therefore be true. I'm glad somebody said it. I was thinking there for a minute that I couldn't get on with my life. Thomas, you've done such a great favor to me and all mankind. How can I ever repay you.

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), January 05, 2000.

Man, you guys remind me of folks that throw out their Christmas tree on Dec. 25th.

-- a (a@a.a), January 05, 2000.

Give him a BJ!

-- frank beamer (jiie@ext.com), January 05, 2000.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, Gregg's nonsense needs some laughing at:

[The facts are -Milne's scenario WOULD be occurring, had we had Oil disrupted, Banks go down, Power off, or any other number of possible infrastructure failures.]

Ohhh Kay. Milne would have been right if he had been right. No doubt about it. He was totally dead wrong on all counts. No doubt about that either. Face reality, Gregg.

[In another post, you claimed there were "reams" of info available stating how Y2K had been fixed and was not a problem. Please give us 5 references of such info - that is NOT just a PR guy giving a press report.]

In other words, Gregg is willing to accept any information EXCEPT corect information. Correct information can't be trusted, don't you know? And since that only leaves WRONG information, you can't find anything he'll accept. QED!

[All the 10 Q's I read, stated that the "company" had done remediation, and was relying on Vendor compliance etc., and that they had no control over certain things outside their company.]

Always been true, and always will be. So what? Believe it or not, if everyone is ready, that means everyone *else* is ready too. Isn't that amazing!

[In a vacuum of verified, un-biased reporting, a thinking person's only choice was to prepare. Relying on wishful thinking, or hoping that the greed of companies to stay in business, would allow them to do so, given what appeared to be complacency and many late starts, was not a prudent approach.]

Insurance is always prudent. Predictions that everyone was guaranteed to need that insurance all at once were WRONG.

[As you have appeared to be a thinking person, based on the information at hand these last two years, Milne's prediction was as good as anyone else's.]

Milne's predictions were dead wrong. Every one of them. For years. Right down the line. Without exception. Unless your definition of a "good" prediction is one you really really wanted to hear, no matter how demented. Get over it, Gregg.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 05, 2000.

Flint,

Could you please repost your reply to Gregg? That is, without the unsubstantiated assertions, personal attacks and out-of-context references? On the other hand, I think you'll be left with nothing, so never mind. Thanks for listening, anyway.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 05, 2000.

All you premature poliies may go right ahead and continue with your 'gloating'.

No skin off my nose. o the ones who say that I do not reply or that I am not to be found, "bite me."

I have not gone anywhere but I do not respond to every jackanapes lurker that appears out of nowhere nor idiots like flint and decker.

The overwhelming majority of comments about what I have said are mischaracterized or taken out of context.

I need not clarify, but i will, for all you morons.

The main problem is and always has been economic. The blue smoke and mirrors will soon come to an end. I have repeatedly stated that y2k is only the match to the fuse of the economic bomb.

Any pollies who want to come out now and laugh and gibe and mock and laugh, that is absolutely fine with me. The system is going to collapse, one way or the other, it is going to collapse. It is utterly demonstrative of their character.

If you feel better not preparing , don't. If you choose to laugh and play while other get ready, then do that. Its your risk, not mine.

Now, I will remain prepared. And when it all goes down, the pollies will be singing the blues and be 'satisfied' that it was not Y2k induced.

LOL

No skin off my nose. The gamne has barely even started and I love to see the premature pollies whooping it up. Have at it and enjoy yourselves. You don't have much longer.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), January 05, 2000.

Now why don't you tell us how you really feel... "moron".

-- (is@that a jackass. or just Paul Milne?), January 05, 2000.

For the Paul Milne encyclopedia, try this link:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0018LA

Another gem:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001U4Y

And from his apprentice:

"Answer the question Decker. Why are Wall Street experts now (June 1999) saying the financial end is near? Why will you not concede that Milne is most likely correct on this one?

People like you, who believe they can sit on their ass and get rich by buying and selling stocks forever, are in for a nasty surprise. And then they will discover the really bad news...a y2k induced depression and a violent countrywide melee that ensues.

-- a (a@a.a), June 07, 1999."

Personally, I think both "a" and Paul Milne are "bullet proof" to any rational argument. This thread was not about taking either one to task... but simply providing an accurate, factual record of what Milne and associates were saying last year. It's less about Milne (or "a") being wrong then, but about them distorting the record now.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), January 05, 2000.

Ken Decker: "Y2K will result in a sharp recession"

'a': "Y2K will result in a bad depression"

Man, we're really world's apart, huh Ken? You closet doomer you.

-- a (a@a.a), January 05, 2000.

Moron -Milne regurgitated

"You don't have much longer. "

The most hilarious of assertions are the ones you never have to prove. This guy might as well shellac his head and use it as a door stop. If you listened to Milne last year (which aside from the imbecile "a", few did..) you were told we would already be in our death throes.

Now that that prediction has fallen into the garbage scow of failed doomer prognostications, it is followed up with "You don't have much longer. "

T'is to laugh. "much longer" is kinda unspecified. This year? This decade? This century?

Milne is the laughing stock of the Internet right now, but like other smug, self-important little men - I don't think he cares. Leave him be with his pigs - at least he can feel superior to them.

-- Evil (evil@milnedestroyer.com), January 05, 2000.

Flint, as usual you take the chicken\$hit approach to an arguement.

Let's see you come up with 5 articles.

Just 5. Just 5 that don't in essence say, "we done some stuff, but we have no idea what will happen, and if we lose power, we're screwed."

C'mon Flint, be a man for a change.

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), January 05, 2000.

Milne may ultimately prove to be correct. With the overvalued stock market and record household debt levels, there is no way of knowing how this will eventually play out. The stock market is far more overvalued than at any other time in history, including 1929. We are in completely uncharted waters. If Y2K doesn't trigger a stock market collapse, something else will during the next year or so. I don't know that a market collapse will cause a depression, but it is certainly a significant possibility.

Also, I don't see that it is productive to attack the individual. If some of you want to attack his opinions, OK. If you want to attack him personally, why not go to csy2k to do so. Personal attacks are the norm there.

-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

Dave,

Re personal attacks: Well said! The way I see it, the opponent usually resorts to ad hominem when he/she is unable to use reason and logic to persuade. It's actually an implicit concession.

To the rest:

Try confronting Paul with a pure argument; no ad hominem. I guarantee you it will feel positively refreshing!

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 05, 2000.

Realists, give up! You can't make the likes of milne or 'a' or north admit they were wrong! they will just keep pushing the date back and back until people get bored trying to make them accountable for bad predictions/rude public behavior.

Their defenders will keep saying "they weren't really wrong" or "prove they were really wrong" over and over. These are the same people who don't blame Hitler for WWII (no, I'm not comparing any doomer to Hitler) they just say things like "each individual in the army made an individual decision to fight for Hitler, to slaughter Jews, to pilage and plunder"

Reality has no bearing on the lives of the ultra-pessimists.

btw, I really appreciate folks like king of spain and a few others here that are willing to at least partially admit they were wrong about 1/1/00 collapses and aren't just slinking off into silence.

Very big of you and indicitive of a decent person at heart.

Maybe the world ain't such a bad place after all.

-- Realists (can@see.reality), January 05, 2000.

To Eve -- well, in looking at what I know of Mr. Milne's arguments and avoiding anything ad hominem, it seems like he has either claimed that things might build in time, a far from unique proposition here, while also advancing some apocalyptic pronouncements which didn't come off at all. So at best he has some general points, but (now admittedly switching towards personal style) given that his writing style is that of a total crab, I'd rather read what others have to say. At least Dale Way, for instance, isn't gleefully predicting death after escape from detention camps.

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 05, 2000.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!

Dolts, go look in the archives. "a@a.a" constantly cross-posted milne's blather....word for word.....and he says "all my quotes are being taken out of context"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

NO milne never used ad hominem, did he?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! now the jack-ass is getting what he deserves for being an ASSHOLE!

-- lol (laughingmy@ss.off), January 05, 2000.

Realist,

I'm not defending Milne; I'm just asking you to take him on, point by point.

Ned Raggett,

At least you have the right approach.

lol,

I appreciate your well-reasoned argument. Can I use it as a model to teach others?

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 05, 2000.

Thomas Redder:

I haven't the technical expertise of many of those who post here. But I do have a question for you.

You say, "Doomers - take your medicine. You have irresponsibly scared the bejesus out of way too many people for way too long to be allowed to just go away quietly. *The fact that you are even still here on this board shows that you* want either 1) to be rediculed by those of us in the intelligent community who can think for themselves --or-- 2)are still praying for a failure, ANY FAILURE, to justify your rediculous doom-and-gloom predictions."

Question: why, then, are YOU still on this board?

-- Elaine Seavey (Gods1sheep@aol.com), January 05, 2000.

Why, Elaine -- I'm here to help you silly doomers make the transition into reality! Otherwise you would all just sit at your workstations and convince each other that you were right all along..... we wouldn't want that would we?

-- Thomas Redder (t_redder@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

One tries. ;-)

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 05, 2000.

And one succeeds.

-- (preciates@every.effort), January 05, 2000.

Thomas Redder,

I understand your need to declare that you're one of the intellegentsia who can think for himself, as opposed to the "doomer" group -- people with low self-esteem make those types of assertions all the time.

But can you back up any of your implicit assertions? For example, do you know what a supply chain is? If so, how do you know there will be no significant problems resulting from possible Y2K-related supply chain disruptions?

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 05, 2000.

eve, quit being such a dolt and return to hugging trees and singing 'We Are the World'. Life carries no guarantees, surely, and just like 'we' don't know if there will be supply chain problems tomorrow, we also don't know if we'll be hit by trucks tomorrow, either. The loon in question rejoiced in making apocalyptic assertions regarding the end of pollies and unprepared everywhere. Ask the hated of the hated here, Y2KPro, for a rotisserie of Milne's Greatest Hits if you are in the mood for a good laugh.

Point is, this individual made sub-human, boorish, intellectually constipated, unconscionable remarks that deserve response and retribution.

There will be no future validation for this buffoon.

-- Badco (amused@thepreacher.com), January 05, 2000.

The cheap attacks on Milne fail to recognize that it was the doomers and their alarm warnings that put the fire under enough asses to get remediation going. Why the pollies would blame the rescue effort as if they knew something from their crystall ball. Why were pollies here? It is those who did not prepare who need to prove on what grounds, other than dumb denial, they operated from. One hundred billion dollars hardly is a "bump on the road...and there is more to come.

The lack of nobility of soul is one more strike against fools who were spared because enough saw the danger and reacted.

Thank You Milne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Anon (anonymous@nowhere.onearth), January 05, 2000.

Pure horseshit, Anon. Milne had nothing to do with the problem being rectified. Peter deJager, Ed Yourdon...even Ed Yardeni...maybe. These were respected individuals who sounded the alarm for people in IT.The Milnes and Norths of the world had agendas, plain and simple, and sought to cash in on the catastrophe Y2K could possibly provide.

That you applaud such an individual can only paint you as being disturbed.

-- Badco (johnny@shootingstar.com), January 05, 2000.

I don't think so. Perhaps Yourdon was trying to cash in, and certainly North had an agenda. But Milne is simply demented. He posted about 10,000 times on csy2k, and every one of them was abusive, insulting, demeaning, and incorrect in every detail. When he was clearly wrong, he ran away. Now that every last prediction he made (all of them calling someone an asshole in the process) has been shown to be dead wrong, he isn't even man enough to admit it.

And much as people may like to kid themselves, in reality nobody gained a damn thing by listening to him -- unless they bought every time Milne said the market was tanking, in which case they're rich!

Anyone who feels Milne should be thanked for anything needs some professional help. It's sad that these same people are ipso facto incapable of admitting a real problem. Their thought-proofing is as hermetically sealed as Milne's.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 05, 2000.

Like the BC comic character with the sign "The End is Near". There will be another economic crisis sometime in the future. That and \$2. will get you a Starbucks Grande double latte. Enjoy the good times and prep for the eventual bad times. Paul seems to enjoy his new lifestyle without slurpees, USA Todays, etc... Let's move on.

-- Happy Daze (y2khippo@yahoo.com), January 05, 2000.

A few questions for you,

Do you think this is a Y2K forum or a truck forum?

Do you get a kick from deliberately making personal attacks, or is it something you just can't help?

Would you find the worst possible quote by Milne and post it here in its full context? I'd like to see it.

And cool off -- ok? You're coming across as full of hate (Isn't this one of the "qualities" that you complain about in Milne?). If nothing else, you might get a little respect.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 06, 2000.

Would you find the worst possible quote by Milne and post it here in its full context? I'd like to see it.

That's a tall order, what with so many to choose from. I'll give it a shot though. I don't know if this is his worst possible, but I'd bet it's in the running:

- - - - - - - - -

Paul Milne writes:

Then you must be one of those assholes who thinks that the whole world would come to a sighing heap on the stroke of midnight then, huh.

Paul, you thought it was going to start January 1999. Now you're backing off January 2000! Be sure to let us know when it does start, so we don't miss it.

Paul Milne responds:

You won't miss it bks. The telltale sign will be when you are shovelling lime, into the hastily dug and shallow grave of the corpses of your children.

-- (shovel@something.else), January 06, 2000.

Shovel,

So Paul issues a warning to Bradley about a perceived danger to his kids. Sure, he puts in a cruder way than most of us would have, but if this is among the worst you've got, I don't see what the big problem is.

It's true that I haven't read a lot of Paul's stuff, so in no way am I trying to defend him overall, but in terms of this post alone, just compare it to, say, Badco's posts above and tell me with a straight face which of the two people really appears to be practically seething with hatred.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 06, 2000.

Eve,

Perhaps you should read at least some of Milne's work before you begin your commentary. It's called research... and you'll find a link on this very thread that will start you on your way.

One of my personal "favorites," Milne predicted the destruction of the District of Columbia, a largely African American community. After predicting DC will burn to the ground, he borrowed a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr., "Free at Last. Free at Last. Thank God Almighty, Free at Last."

Milne may have meant freedom from the "tyranny" of the Federal government... the same one that subsidizes his current lifestyle. At best, this is one of the most insensitive comments I've heard on this forum. At worst, it is blatantly racist. To describe the destruction of a mostly African-American city and then quote a leader of the civil rights movement...

Perhaps you can manage a glib defense of this, Eve, like you did with Milne's comment about burying one's children. Perhaps you think someone giving you the "finger" is really a suggestion to consider driving in a more prudent manner. Paul Milne predicted, even wished for the death of "Pollies" and for the fall of the Republic.

Shovel, So Paul issues a warning to Bradley about a perceived danger to his kids. Sure, he puts in a cruder way than most of us would have, but if this is among the worst you've got, I don't see what the big problem is.

It's true that I haven't read a lot of Paul's stuff, so in no way am I trying to defend him overall, but in terms of this post alone, just compare it to, say, Badco's posts above and tell me with a straight face which of the two people really appears to be practically seething with hatred.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 06, 2000.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), January 06, 2000.

Ken,

To the extent that Paul may have made racist comments or wished death for people (assuming self-defense was not the context), those things cannot possibly be defended. And if true, I would absolutely condemn him for this.

I don't have the time to research the history of Paul Milne. But why does that mean I cannot comment on a given post? I thought I had carefully delimited my response as relating to that post alone.

You called my comments "glib." Care to explain why? If you can't, I guess I could say that you glibly called my comments glib, couldn't I ? (Mona Lisa smile here)

And your, "It's called research" remark was a little sarcastic. Maybe I'm being too sensitive here, but I hope you don't think you need these tactics to help make your point. You usually do pretty well without this.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 06, 2000.

So Paul issues a warning to Bradley about a perceived danger to his kids. Sure, he puts in a cruder way than most of us would have, but if this is among the worst you've got, I don't see what the big problem is.

This is because you're a moron, eve. Only a deranged bimbo like you would consider Paul's statement as a warning about a perceived danger to his kids.

It's true that I haven't read a lot of Paul's stuff, so in no way am I trying to defend him overall,

You are a damnable, damnable, LIAR. You've been defending him from the start of this post even though you admit that you "haven't read a lot of Paul's stuff???"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Listen, you disingenuous lying sack of crap, before you spout off about someone else's posts, you might want to try reading more, if you can manage that with your tiny little brain.

but in terms of this post alone, just compare it to, say, Badco's posts above and tell me with a straight face which of the two people really appears to be practically seething with hatred.

Look, ASSSHOLE,....May I call you ASSHOLE? I DID compare them, you myopic dolt, and if you can't tell what "seething with hatred" is, then you're simply a sub-moronic imbecile. Perhaps you will understand better when YOU are crying at the graveside of your children.

You'll be dead soon. Before you die, I hope that the realization of what you have done becomes understood by you.

-- (shovel@something.else), January 06, 2000.

Shovel,

Apparently I said something that offended you, but it seems all you want to do is attack me personally. If you can repost this without the name-calling, and with some reasons for why you feel the way you do, I'll try to respond.

Again, please try to understand that I am not defending Paul. I was only responding to the one post. And it's very possible that if I read everything of his that you have I would feel the way you do about him.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 06, 2000.

To all,

Is there really a different way of looking at that particular post of Milne's? Did my comments about it not make sense? Maybe I was wrong, but I can't see it. Give me another take on it if you have one.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 06, 2000.

Apparently I said something that offended you, but it seems all you want to do is attack me personally. If you can repost this without the name-calling, and with some reasons for why you feel the way you do, I'll try to respond.

Eve, I was just disagreeing with your statements. Sure, I put it in a cruder way than most of us would have, but I don't see what the big problem is.

It's a bit different when you're the target, eh???

-- (shovel@something.else), January 06, 2000.

Shovel,

Sorry that I touched a nerve here, not just with you, but with others. Since I actually know so little about him, I'm starting to think now that I should not have trodden on this path...

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 06, 2000.

eve:

I posted a very brief sampling of the Works of Milne on another thread. You might look it over, and get a sense of history.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 06, 2000.

Flint,

I'll check it out. Thanks.

-- eve (123@4567.com), January 07, 2000.

Of Paul Milne, I will use the words Ben Franklin used in describing John Adams, a man of whom no love was lost:

"He is always an honest man; sometimes wise; but frequently out of his senses."

-- Buster Collins (BustrCollins@aol.com), January 07, 2000.