As if previous writers haven't given us enough reason to hang onto our preps, I urge you to find on McAlvany's website www.mcalvany.com and listen to his latest audio (Jan.3). Joel Skousen is his guest (as he was, in the other most recent audios) and he talks about how serious Russia is about rearming to fight us. We're not told all this news, in the press- he says our govt.is allowing this to happen, as part of a NWO scheme.

They bring up the valid question: why have multilmillion dollar bunkers in every state been built for Y2K when Y2K surveillance operations could be held on the tenth floor of a secured building? It's more like the govt. is expecting something serious (like a nuclear war?)

And that the govt. will go along with a first strike from Russia, to further their plans for a NWO- that after a first strike, with 20% of Americans killed, and the military destroyed, many of the remaining populace will be so ill they will wish they could die. Joel said after we have had a hit like that, the people will readily agree to the govt. coming in with the NWO setup......that our military is deliberately being cut back so Russia can get ahead of us (which they are, daily, largely at our largesse) as a plot to gain leadership from the NWO.

It may seem like a preposterious idea to some, but please listen to the half hour audio...it'll make your hair curl! Joel has a lot of sources and is an expert in geopolitical events. You'll want to h old onto your preps, after listening to him!

-- Jo Ann (MaJo@Michiana.com), January 05, 2000

Answers

It sounds looney. I never gave it a second thought until the last commander of NavSeals in an interview was asked what his primary objective was, and after a long pause replied "To bring about the New World Order". ow, what that meant to him, and what it means to Jo Ann may be 2 different things; I can hope.

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

should read "Now, what that ..."

-- Hokie (Hokie_@hotmail.com), January 05, 2000.

OH HOKIE!!!!! my ears perked up -- can you please give me something to go on regarding the Nav Seals interview you mentioned? like when, where, on what channels, etc? name of the commander? thanks.

-- tt (cuddluppy@aol.com), January 05, 2000.

Don't know about any of this, in the immediate future. But in the LONG term, things could go this way, or worse. See the analysis from 'The Guardian' (respectable UK newspaper) in thread below -

Utopia or dystopia?

-- Risteard Mac Thomais (uachtaran@ireland.com), January 05, 2000.

A good reason to elect McCain. He knows the military and comes from a long line of military. Both his father and grandfather were 4 star Admirals. His dad's final assignment was as Commander of all US forces in the Pacific during Vietnam. John languished in a POW camp in Vietnam for 7 years even though the Vietnamese wanted to release him because of who his father was. John refused based on the military code of "first captured, first released". WE NEED TO BUILD UP OUR MILITARY. In order to do so, we need someone who knows how the system works... and what are the ramifications when it doesn't work. Taz...who has grave concerns re this subject.

-- Taz (Tassi123@aol.com), January 05, 2000.

Shoo. Shoo. It's over. They missed their chance. Go find another forum. Shoo.

-- Servant (public_service@yahoo.com), January 05, 2000.

Having read "The Fourth Turning" a few years ago, I have been worried about far more than Y2K, and welcomed the potential for problems to motivate the mousehubbie to prepare...

We have far more to fear than computer problems, housecats, brooms, and springtraps, in this little mouse's opinion... I stay in my little hole most of the time, only peeping out where my little whiskers tell me it's sort-of-safe, and appreciate all your help in the past couple of years. My little abode is well-prepped and almost ready for anything but the worst. I no longer have to scurry out in dangerous times....

Ever so grateful....

-- housemouse (inlittlehole@nevermind.now), January 05, 2000.

Sigh......

I read brother Skousen's Financial Security book (own it too) many years ago. Lots of sound advice. Brother Joel Skousen does the home security stuff. I own several of his books as well. Most were disappointments. However, the first book he released on Survival Homes is/was excellent.

Be careful how you read these guys or you may go off the deep end in their direction. Skousen does a newsletter too. His website offers a free peek for those who are interested. He is like the Gary North of Security Homes, but with more background. Recall that Gary is an historian not a computer jock. Skousen actually builds and has been building these homes for a while now.

I am a civil engineer and find his work very interesting. You may or may not. Just be careful of the rhetoric. He's been spouting this stuff for over twenty years now. Doomsday may or may not be around the corner, who knows. Just recall the lessons learned in Y2K and go slowly and carefully. Only do those things which you can live with and which seem reasonable to you.

I fully intend to incorporate some of his ideas into the house I hope to some day build. Do I believe EVERYTHING he writes? Nope.

Forewarned is forearmed.

-- Ynott (Ynott@incorruptible.com), January 05, 2000.

In my current issue of The Home School Court Report they discuss this issue of the NWO and our personal freedom.

"This Monday, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan gave his annual report to the General Assembly. He declared, "State sovereignty, in its most basic sense, is being redefined by the forces of globalization and international cooperation." What he means by this is that a nation can no longer decide for itself whether it will go to war. But as bad as that is, the UN's attack on sovereignty goes far deeper...(veers of into family/homeschool issues) The following day, President Clinton addressed the UN General Assembly and, rather than defending the American principle of sovereignty, he expressly embraced the goal and the term "globalism" to reflect his policy and philosophy."

This is much worse than a fixable, computer glitch to me. We are incrementally losing our freedom. Has anyone sat down and written out a list of lost freedoms over the last 30 years? I'm sure it would be eye-opening.

Admittedly Paranoid, Mia

-- Mia (jnmpow@flash.net), January 05, 2000.

Another one:

New v. Perry Filed: January 16, 1996 Nature of Case: A U.S. Soldier ordered to put on UN uniform and to become part of UN force, refused to do so citing the unconstitutionality of U.S. soldiers donning the uniform of and fighting for a foreign government. The soldier was cour-martialed. Ruling: On November 25, 1997, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals rejected his request to hear the case infederal court, requiring New to first exhaust his military appeals. The Supreme Court denied certiorari(?). Status: The case is still being appealed in the military court system.

This boy was a local homeschool graduate, probably the only reason he knew it was unconstitutional to fight for the U.N. The MILITARY court martialed him. The Supreme Court? I do not know what denied certiorari means, does anyone else?

More paranoia.

-- Mia (jnmpow@flash.net), January 05, 2000.

certiorari (s{r4shj-e-rbr4j, -rd4rj) noun Law. A writ from a higher court to a lower one requesting a transcript of the proceedings of a case for review.

[Middle English, from Latin certiorbrl (volumus), (we wish) to be informed (from the word's occurrence in the writ), passive of certiorbre, to inform, apprise, from certior, comparative of certus, certain. See certain.]

Excerpted from The American Heritage. Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition ) 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

-- Jay Urban (Jayho99@aol.com), January 05, 2000.

Mia-How can I get info on the Home School Court Report? Do they have a web-site?

I am like you (admittedly paranoid) and I think we have far greater things to worry about than y2k. Like NWO and foreign troops occupying our land here in the United States of America. IMHO I believe martial law is in the near future. Check out the site:

www.newswatchmagazine.org

McAlvany's site is great too. He believes persecution of Christians will increase. May God help us all.

-- (I Believe (Repent@time is now.com)), January 05, 2000.

housemouse,

Great book! I liked it so much I wrote a song about it! (Some people are content to write love songs...but noooooo...I have to write socio/politic epics...what's wrong with me?)

John Ludi

-- Ludi (ludi@rollin.com), January 05, 2000.

housemouse,

Great book! I liked it so much I wrote a song about it! (Some people are content to write love songs...but noooooo...I have to write socio/political epics...what's wrong with me?)

John Ludi

-- Ludi (ludi@rollin.com), January 05, 2000.

I Believe - go to hslda.org. As a member of The Home School Legal Defense Association you receive a subscription.

Thanks for the definition.

-- Mia (jnmpow@flash.net), January 05, 2000.

(1) The US Supreme Court denied cert. because he did not follow the proper procedure, i.e., he did not exhaust his options pursuant to the UCMJ (military judicial system).

(2) How can you really believe that Russia is going to attack us?? Russia can't even defeat the Chechneyeans close to home. Russia is in a state of turmoil. They are happy to eat, let alone want to conquer the world. Amazing how McAlvany jumped from his Y2K doom senario to the NWO-angle so quickly.

BTW, tell me how much gold went up last year.

-- Freethinkr (ima@nut.com), January 05, 2000.

Where did I say Russia was going to attack us?

-- Mia (jnmpow@flash.net), January 05, 2000.

Freethinker........In defense of Don McAlvany, the NWO is not a brand new topic for him- he has discussed it in his newsletter for some time. I have great respect for Don- he is a dedicated man who researches out political news for his readers. I can't wait for his newsletter, each month! He puts a lot of info in them- you really get your money's worth! Naturally, there will be dissenters, in this crowd.

Also, at least one of his newsletters gave a very sobering discussion on how militarily prepared the Russians really are. They have over 27,000 nuclear warheads, the largest air force and navy in the world, the largest arsenal of biological and chemical weapons in the world, the largest fleet of advanced nuclear missle submaries in the world, the largest number of tanks, artillery, armored vehicles and other conventional weapons in the world, with a comprehensive civil defense program incl. widespread nuclear sheltering for its citizens; and with a partically deployed missle defense system.....this same Russia, which is perceived to be a political, military relic of history still has the largest military machine in the world. Don said that the Russians have the largest military weapons production capacity in the world, with about 5,000 weapons productions factories! How many do we have, thanks to Clinton scaling our military might to half of what we had, a decade ago, and he's continuing to cut us back. He is not interested in the welfare of this country, on the contrary!

Beside that, they are pouring tens of billions of dollars of high tech weapons each year (missiles, fighter aircraft, submarines, nuclear technology and a host of conventional weapons) into Red China, Vietnam, N. Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya and a number of African socialist or communist states. Yes, the people of Russia are poor, but don't be deceived by the military!

Now that Putin is in, I feel he will mean trouble. I read that he already has increased Russia's military budget by 50%. But Don gave a lengthy report on how far advanced the Russians really are....incl. submarines and nuclear. His company will send out a free newsletter to anyone who is interested. The one devoted to Russia's increasing strength is the May '98 issue, if you're curious. Undoubtedly, they are even more advanced, by now!

We may have to wait awhile? But gold will rise, again! He who laughs last laughs best, my momma used to say!

-- Jo Ann (MaJo@Michiana.com), January 05, 2000.

When Russia gets a truly powerful leader, one who inspires the masses, then Russia will unite behind this leader and become very powerful.

Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lebed: both have great potential.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), January 05, 2000.

I saved this earlier today for personal use & don't have the link but I thought a couple of you might be interested...

Buchanan To Attack World Government

The Associated Press Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2000; 7:20 p.m. EST

DURHAM, N.H.  Reform Party presidential candidate Pat Buchanan is promising to lead a "millennial struggle" against the steady emergence of a world government "where all nations yield up their sovereignty and fade away."

In a draft of a speech he plans to deliver Thursday in Boston, the twice-failed Republican presidential candidate said the Clinton administration is allowing the United Nations to intrude on America's sovereignty.

He also said the United States is guilty of "trampling on the sovereignty" of other nations by injecting troops in internal conflicts, such as Kosovo. The speech was provided to The Associated Press.

"If ever sovereignty becomes obsolete, we may expect America's involvement in endless wars until, one day, we pay a horrific price in some act of cataclysmic terror on our own soil," Buchanan said. "For interventionism is the spawning pool of international terror."

Buchanan left the GOP last year to seek the Reform Party nomination after his initial 2000 presidential bid as a Republican stalled. He blamed the Republican establishment for his failure, saying party leaders were lining up behind the front-runner, Texas Gov. George W. Bush.

New York tycoon Donald Trump also is seeking the Reform nomination.

In the speech, Buchanan named politicians, journalists and Clinton administration officials who appear to embrace globalism over nationalism  proponents of the so-called "New World Order," a phrase Buchanan attributed to Bush's father, former President George Bush.

Buchanan's examples included President Clinton calling himself a "citizen of the world" and Vice President Al Gore  a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination  agreeing to a global environmental pact. The United Nations is quietly seeking authority over U.S. troops and control of the nation's borders, Buchanan said.

"This then is a millennial struggle that succeeds the Cold War: It is the struggle of patriots of every nation against a world government where all nations yield up their sovereignty and fade away," he said.

"My vision is of a republic, not an empire  a nation that does not go to war unless she is attacked, or her vital interests are imperiled, or her honor impugned. And when she does go to war, it is only after following a constitutional declaration by the Congress," Buchanan said. "We are not imperialists; we are not interventionists; we are not hegemonists; and we are not isolationists. We simply believe in America first, last and always."

(end)

-- Deborah (infowars@yahoo.com), January 05, 2000.

Bravo to Buchanan! I just wish he had half a chance to be elected! Everytime I hear him, I am impressed at his dedication to the principles I stand for.

-- Jo Ann (MaJo@Michiana.com), January 05, 2000.

Deborah, what the heck does he mean that he'd go to war if "our honor were impugned"? I understand the former statements about going to war. If you call me an insulting name, I am NOT going to declare war on you. What exactly does that statement mean to YOU?

I doubt I'd like to send my son or daughter to war over my honor or my country's honor being impugned....would you? And I'd like a couple of specific examples, please as to what this constitutes.

Just curious.

-- Ynott (Ynott@incorruptible.com), January 06, 2000.

I am not particularly a Buchanan fan, but would like to see national sovereignty taken up as a serious issue for debate in the campaigns...

-- Mumsie (shezdremn@aol.com), January 07, 2000.