I know it is difficult for you to understand, but in any given day, there are a number of power outages, nuclear power shutdowns, etc. The doomers here believe that every single problem is due to Y2K, that today there shouldn't be any problems not realted due to Y2K. This is simply insane. A problem can happen without being Y2K related! These stories may noy be related to Y2K.

-- Realist (don't@want.spam), January 03, 2000

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You are absolutely right Realist. But on the other hand, how can anyone be so sure that none of these problems are Y2K related? I don't expect for any corporation to have to admit to Y2K related problems if it can be reasonably explain under typical problems and circumstances. It buys them time and relives them of legal stress.

I am concerned over the power surge stories, Y2K related or no. I want to know why these surges are happening, whether it is an isolated incident, scattered or wide-spread. I think the stories are useful to the forum.

-- Mello1 (mello1@ix. netcom.com), January 03, 2000.

Yes, there have been a wide variety of electrical, nuclear, and transportation problems over the last 100 years, but you have to understand that the CFR/Trilateral Commission/Bilderburger/Illuminati/Roscicrucian/Knights Templar/Masonic conspiracy DELIBERATELY caused ALL of those problems so that we wouldn't NOTICE all of the Y2K disasters happening as we speak!

Three Mile Island? Hacked by a cabal of Bavarian Illuminati.

TWA 700? Shot down by a Rosicrucian missle cruiser.

Then, of course, gullible fools USE these incidents to claim "See, far worse stuff happened BEFORE Y2K!" to help control Sheeple panic as our World society collapses under REAL Y2K problems!

Technology, of course, is PERFECT, EXCEPT for the Y2K bug. Wake up and pull the cofffee from over your eyes, and smell the wool! You've been had!

-- John Krempasky (johnk@dmv.com), January 03, 2000.

John, you are entitled to your opinion and you will not change mine. I am fed up with folks trying to make opinions that they don't agree with out to be foolish. I am fed up with the lack of civility in just trying to voice opinions here.

Fed up.

-- Mello1 (Mello1@ix.netcom.com), January 03, 2000.

To Mello -- were there more than the two power surge reports, though? There was India, where as I understand it power fluctuations and problems can be common enough, and the O'Hare report. Has there been anything else confirmed? If not, then that just seems awfully low an amount to fret over -- I'm just wondering what daily power surge problems are like on the grid. P'raps it's more common than we know, but we've just never noticed until now.

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 03, 2000.

The two reported power surge problems are disturbing to me, even as single events. I don't necessarily need to hear about a thousand cases before I become concerned about people who have been hurt by it or about things that can affect me. The India story is particularly gruesome; the Chicago story affects me directly, because I use O'Hare to travel on business. Also, even without Y2K, the Elgin tower has had a number of problems last year, from disappearing planes from their screens to a chemical leak that forced controllers from their posts in the middle of operations. Sorry, I can't just strug it off to wait for a 'statistical' standard before it's okay (or perhaps acceptable) to be concerned. I do look at the magnitude of the story. Elgin was blessed that the power surge didn't occur during peak flight hours -- India was blessed that more people didn't die.

-- Mello1 (Mello1@ix.netcom .com), January 03, 2000.

John and Mr. Realist, how does the saying go? "We piped for you and you would not dance". Please stop picking on every post with the same tedious and predictable canard. It's predicatble, boring, and counterproductive. You know, you may eventually have a cogent observation to offer at a later date, and by tehn we'll all be so bored stiff with seeing your handles will scroll right over you, as I do already. The regulars here can entertain both sides of the story without having every incident posted, later categorized by y'all and dismissed as a "routine failure". Let me suggest we all come up with a nice handy acronym like ... let me suggest OAGDTAANOPOOPS! for On Any Given Day There Are a Number of Power Outages or Power Shutdowns."

I've only been on the net and on this board since July of last year, so I don't have the longrange view (in terms of decades) on the rate of failures. I only know what I've witnessed here over the last 6-7 months, and that is a dramatic escalation in the rate of chemical plant and refinery fires, explosions, reported electrical outages, plane crashes, train wrecks, nuclear plant shutdowns, security system breakdowns, etc. etc. Can you find anything intelligent to say about this rate of increase? Can you speak a bit more to the point in criticism of some of the posts, without the sneering? IN short, to you have to be such twits?

There has -- it seems to me -- been almost a logarithmic increase in these sorts of failures since the rollover. 4, 5, 7, nuclear incidents in a weekend.... are you daft? Most of them admitted as Y2k-related. Oh gosh ...... Everytimne I see your posts, I hear Johnny Cochrane arguing that the jury cannot convict O.J. on merely circumstantial evidence.

-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), January 03, 2000.

Oh gee. Chicago, New York and Boston air traffic control systems are all down at once, as I post. Routine failures? You opinion please.

-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), January 03, 2000.

Very true, on the human level along the loss of life sucks rocks. Wasn't trying to belittle that -- way too callous! And it's interesting to consider how the Elgin case might (might -- I mean, was the surge Y2K-related or not?) demonstrate the understandably-feared cascade effect in a system. But consider: two surges out of a planetwide grid. I still have to ask, well, what are we comparing this to, and is this necessarily a surprise?

-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), January 03, 2000.

Fair enough. Especially when you consider the level of scrutiny focused by laymen and amateurs (like me) on news of technical failures. John K has a point on this subject but it would carry better if it weren't delivered with such sarcasm. It's the rutheless sarcasm that totally overrides the content of the point. Meanwhile, three airports trafic control systems down at once ....?

-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), January 03, 2000.

We started a new category here in June: <:)=

Explosions/Fires/HAZMAT Accidents (New) Threads

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), January 04, 2000.

Every problem is not caused by Y2K, therefore (because I think) no problem can be attributed to Y2K. Hhhhmmmm, sorry having problem jumping from one extreme to another. The reason to post problems or concerns is to elicit response. i.e. I have problem x with my cell phone receives (along with a question about mudwrestling) information that person b who works in telcom thinks that is a battery problem. The information generated by the media is just so silly that reasonable people seek information from other sources. Personally I can talk about some subjects and just have to wade through others.

Post them all, the only silly question is the one not asked. After all "we are all bozo's on this bus."

-- Squid (ItsDark@down.here), January 04, 2000.