It's a fizzer, no doubt about it, and WE WERE WRONG! I speak as someone who gradually came to believe that Y2K would be a 7 or 8. Some of us, however (and Andy springs readily to mind) were more virulent in condemning pollies and pushing extreme doomer views.

So what about it, Andy? Got the guts to apologise, both for yourself, and the rest of us? Then I suggest, this forum is closed down as it's passed its use by date.

-- Asking (Asking@aquestion.com), January 01, 2000

Answers

Why should he apologize for you? I see...that BAD BAD Andy man made you believe him...poooor baaaaby! Momma still changing your diapers? Get real.

-- TM (mercier7@pdnt.com), January 01, 2000.

maybe you're right but why can't i get any information from - http://www.jrwhipple.com/z2k ????blank screen except for title

-- loreli (lurking@home.com), January 01, 2000.

its obvious you - and many many others - have [almost] totally missed what y2k is all about. jan 1 wasnt supposed to be 'the end' .. its only the beginning a huge range of problems that will plague the world for years to come.

geeesh! and i guess you also believed the one about planes falling from the sky too??

-- lou (lanny1@ix.netcom.com), January 01, 2000.

Andy should apologise for you?

Are you stupid or something?

Maybe you sould explain this chain of thought a little further because you are coming through as some kinda programmed idiot who can only take orders from Andy.

You are misinformed of you think 1/1 was going to be catastrophic.

It is just starting to unfold.

and you are here

-- Johnny (jljtm@bellsouth.com), January 01, 2000.

"Then I suggest, this forum is closed down as it's passed its use by date." I got a better idea -- why don't you simply delete this bookmark and not worry about it anymore.

Apologize for yourself.

Now....back to the forum...has anybody learned of any more glitches?

-- Mello1 (Mello1@ix.netcom.com), January 01, 2000.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Jan 1 was expected to be the midpoint. We're halfway there. So far, looking pretty good.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 01, 2000.

Hey, Asking..it's only 20 hours 30 minutes into the year 2000. Don't forget about all the servers/systems that were shut down for the roll-over have to be restarted for the first business week of the year and I expect many will have problems at that time. Also those that didn't assess/remediate their business operating software will likely be looking for the Alka-Seltzer when the programs begin calling date routines. (February 29th?) If we can get to the end of March without major problems, then I will breathe a little easier.

JMHO, FWIW...

Ray

-- Ray (raymondo@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.

I see Asking that you are convinced the game is all over.

Free country.

I'm on record as saying I want to see what the next 6 months holds. i want to see how the banks hold up in the next few weeks. How clearing and settlement holds up. If it maintains it's almost 100% credit/debit accuracy. Whether corrupt data materialises.

To day nothing of

IRS OIL CHEMICALS RAIL PIPELINES REFINING SHIPPING PORTS THE MAJOR EXCHANGES THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES RUSSIA ALL THE "NON-MISSION-CRITICAL" GOVERNMENT SYSTEMS

etc. etc. etc.

Go back and read the latest Infomagic and see if you can work out what he's getting t with regard to this issue.

For now I'm still getting a fat y2k pay chqeque and have work to do - we're not out of the woods yet.

in the meantime fort your continued edification take a gander at this:-

From JoeZi

"Until we see Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, I.R.S., to name a few, operating with precision and dependability, we are very vulnerable to an economic nightmare. Government accounts for a huge segment of employment in this country. Add to this the incredible amounts of money that is issued into circulation in the form of benefits and such, and the truly amazing unanswered questions as to where the U.S. is at this point remain unanswered. I have viewed my preps as not only "meal insurance" against interruptions in the supply chain, but as an economic hedge against rising prices in the months ahead. I cannot believe I am alone in thinking this way. Interest rates are going to march upward; housing may well take a hit. Mortgage brokers will be doodling on pads of paper as they realize there is less and less business(to name but one example of an industry vulnerable to rising interest rates).

Most of the really important problems, e.g. Def. Dept., pipelines that were shut down (and may be pesky to restart), will be kept from public view as a matter of national security.

And what about the many computer viruses that may be running around, looking for infrastructure to disrupt? Seems there are MANY more things yet unknown to hoist a victory flag over this country and y2k. (The only victory so far is preventing massive public panic;well, there is the additional victory of propaganda over a national audience--YECH!)

2 very alarming things to me are: 1)The overall complacency of our nation(not going totally unnoticed by folks like China and Sadam) and, 2) HOW EASY IT IS TO STILL MAKE PRUDENCE TO APPEAR LIKE FOOLISHNESS! An extra comment on this 2nd point is the incredible amount of folks reporting they feel foolish and embarrassed. If you really want to feel/experience both of these emotions, then chuck your preps. and begin running around trying to get folks who prepared for NOTHING, to accept you back into their "fold of foolishness". Then, when fallout begins to become apparent, you will realize the true meaning of foolish, embarrassed, and UNPREPARED!

Just as the coverage of y2k was so incredibly shallow and simplistic in the press for the past few YEARS, so too is the thinking that we are over the worst of y2k. Just cuz my T.V. works, doesn't mean it is "all-clear!". And one night of CNN pics. of lights on all over the world hardly gets me feeling even remotely confident that things will not be "so bad". (This line of reasoning wouldn't work on a 6 year old child.)

The most unfortunate side-effect of y2k roll-over so far (IMHO) is the "innoculation effect" that is occurring among some who prepped. How willing will they prepare or stay prepared for the unforeseen yet not on this nation's radar screen?

In closing, I will add that this nation is in and will remain in a window of vulnerability for some time. Just as a cancer patient never knew the day, time and hour that a tumor began to form within themselves, so too this nation appears to be generally clueless as to our vulnerabilities to attack and outright breakdowns in necessary infrastructure that are now present. When rollover occurred, every unremediated line of code became a cancer cell in this country's economy. Whether the Nation's "immune system" of bug busters can heal all of these conditions, before they grow into a sizeable tumor remains a HUGE question, at least to me.

I therefore will remain ready to "roll with the punches". Old habits are hard to break: Why let CNN and the "crowd of fools" do your thinking for you?"

P.S.

Grow up.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.

Dear oh dear. There you go again children. Abuse & more abuse. I never took much notice of Andy - in fact, although I took out 'insurance' in the form of 6 months preps., I often had a go at Andy because of his extremism. He had taken certain action (eg on gold, his job, retirement benefits etc) and HAD to justify his position by ramming his inflexible views down everyone's throat at every opportunity. THAT'S why I found him objectionable.

Sure, there will be some problems when business re-starts. But the grids are OK, banks OK etc. Problems will be fixed. Again, WE WERE WRONG! I've got the courage to admit it, and don't regret ANY of my preps. It was insurance. I just think it entirely appropriate for a doomer like Andy (Milne is just plain mad) to come out of denial and say so too.

So Andy, come out from under the bed, get in front of your keyboard, and type it: "I - WAS - WRONG". There. Was that so bad?

-- Asking (Asking@aquestion.com), January 01, 2000.

We posted at the same time Andy, or rather I posted, you Cut & Paste. I stand by what I said.

-- Asking (Asking@aquestion.com), January 01, 2000.

And I stand by what I said and say. You continue assking to suck on the gubbmints teat and do what is expected of you like a good little peon. You continue to belive what CNN tells you. There's a good boy.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.

No. I believe the evidence of my own eyes. Everything's working Andy. Except your little brain which is stuck in one track -The DOOM track. But I suppose, on reflection, if I'd stuffed up on my investments like you have, I'd be feeling very silly and not wanting to come to grips with reality, either.

-- ASking (Asking@aquestion.com), January 01, 2000.

Asking,

Don't go jumping the gun so fast cowboy and hammering Andy. If you don't like the forum anymore, leave and lurk elsewhere. Andy has posted boatloads of information, which has resulted in a great deal of fun for some and great info for others. Lighten up and count your blessings. I've sat here today lurking and feeling somewhat stupid, but there are these nagging questions remaining to be answered.

What happens if welfare checks are delayed? The mentality of many recipients of welfare is that is their "paycheck". How about Social Security? How about the first few payrolls? How about direct deposits? Food stamps? IRS refunds? Insurance form processing? Millions of computers booting up monday morning?

Even if there are no glitches, being prepared just makes sense. Time will tell if this is truly the most overblown hype we've ever seen or death by 10,000 paper cuts.

.

-- trafficjam (road@construction.ahead), January 01, 2000.

Well said Andy. Nothing left to add. 'Asking' may now be excused to return to the flock.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 01, 2000.

DONE?!?!?!?!??! NOT!!!!!

Sis in law works for TransUnion (Equifax"s major competition in credit reporting, but she works on the lending side of the house) and has been told to call in MONDAY MORNING to see if they are going to be open. SOMETHING about their computers being down more than up the last two weeks???

SOMETHING about they may NOT have any systems in the morning??

THeir remediation team has been spending the last 2 weeks trying to slam home the last 40 or 50 bricks........

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 01, 2000.

Just asking, 'asking'. Can you explain the oversight by either the federal government or American National Bank which has resulted in the lack of my father's monthly retirement check being automatically deposited on Friday as ALWAYS?

Just curious.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 01, 2000.

Will Continue: Nope, can't explain it. Probably a Y2K glitch and could take time to sort out. But my point is, essential systems are in place and man's igenuity (which never ceases to amaze me) will over-come the problem.

Chuck, same as above.

Traffic jam. If you think I'm "hammering" Andy, take a look at some of his old posts. Sure, a lot of info both useful & interesting, but also A LOT of flames/hammering at anyone who dared to disagree with him. A Milne without (all) the madness. As I said above, Andy took a position, acted on it, and has a great deal at stake. He's totally commited, and probably a bit scared right now that he's made the wrong decisions/investments. Of all people, Andy NEEDED a total collapse to justify his stance and fulfill his 'prophecies'.

Even if problems do develop, they'll be fixed. I was wrong. Andy was wrong. The difference is, Andy has been in a glass house, throwing stones for quite a while. Now the shattered glass is falling on his head, and his response is to throw more stones, instead of saying "Sorry I threw those stones". Not intelligent.

To the poster who commented on my suggestion to terminate this forum: Why not? Isn't it called "Time Bomb 2000"? The time bomb has proved to be a dud. What are you going to discuss? It's finished. Accept it. (I understand there are clinics now specialising in net dependancy. Maybe you should attend one)

-- Asking (Asking@aquestion.com), January 01, 2000.

Sheeple pretending to GI. BAAAAAAAAA

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), January 01, 2000.

I fail to see how owning gold at this stage of bubble.com is a mistake. Ditto silver. I've also bet $10k + on oil call options. If oil goes to circa $40+ I'm a millionnaire. Fact is I can afford to lose $10k - so what, I work hard for my money.

Next question.

Assking, your problem is you don't understand computers. You've never programmed. You've no imagination so by definition you are stuck in a warp with y2k pro and llogic - a limited imagination warp. Because you cannot personally understand what might happen

why

it won't happen! Now don't you feel better assking!

MY ADVICE

Remove your mouth from teat.gov and disengage brain from CNNABCCBSNBC.spin and you might feel a whole lot better.

Check back in 3 months.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.

I'm a 'sheeple "pretending" to be GI,' Will Continue??

If preps for 6 months, with total independence (food, water, power (solar) etc plus the ability to grow own food indefinitely after that) in a retreat over 100 miles from a major city is "pretending" then, I guess that's me, just a li'l ol "sheeple".

Andy: Not quite sure of your point there. True I don't understand computers, but I am still rationale and hopefully 20 years running my own business has given me some analytical ability. But you're right; let's check back in 3 months.

BTW, speaking of 3 months - A close friend of mine, Chinese, is a computer programmer (Masters' in Computing etc) but still takes an interest in the 'old ways'. She has just obtained the 2000 predictions of a well known mainland Chinese 'Fortune Teller/Astrologer'

Now, I'm a sceptic, but this guy's record is apparantly very, very accurate. He's picked major earthquakes, the Kosovo thing, Berlin Wall etc etc. and has a big following amongst Chinese. Over lunch yesterday, my friend is reading his book and then goes very quiet. I ask what's the problem, and this fellow has said that mainland China will attack Taiwan in March 2000, and that the USA will be involved. Maybe I'll hang onto my preps for the time being, after all....

-- Asking (Asking@aquestion.com), January 02, 2000.

Asking- Few questions here; 1) Who are you? 2) Are you old enough to pour your own milk? 3) Is there anything inside your skull save two thick planks? Just Asking.

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), January 02, 2000.

I ask what's the problem, and this fellow has said that mainland China will attack Taiwan in March 2000, and that the USA will be involved. Maybe I'll hang onto my preps for the time being, after all.... ======================================================================

Damn! That's no good for my oil options, wish they would bring it forward a month or two. Day late and a dollar short...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 02, 2000.

Speak for yourself, DoomBoy. I'll be glad to see the back of the hard core doomers, New World Orderists, Chemtrailers, Rapturists, and (please please) pollys.

Maybe then the rest of us can get on with spotting and discussing the "non-Y2K related glitches" and seeing if they fizzle out or snowball.

Rollover isn't the issue. It never was.

-- Servant (public_service@yahoo.com), January 02, 2000.