Here's an idea for ya....why not pay a visit to the Debunkers forum and show them how much we apreciate them coming here. Hey-they don't get the idea they aren't wanted here...so lets move into their camp and raise hell. ;) http://stand77.com/wwwboard/board.html

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-- GoHereForFun (chuckling@theIdea.com), January 01, 2000

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No,lets not sink to their level....

-- matt (matt@somewhere.nz), January 01, 2000.

I really do NOT recommend or condone that behavior.

Stay here and focus on what's important. Y2K is not over yet, contrary to shallow thinking individuals, and their surface assessments. Yes... globally we've "appeared" to pass the mid-term test. That's great! But finals are still ahead.

We'll see how well things work or not. Declaring it's "over" is stupidly premature.

And stooping to their level is a waste of energy.

I also DO NOT condone their trashy behavior here and especially the games AndyRay has played by e-mailing the President of MIT, etc. Very poor form, IMHO, and smacks of "censorship" in it's most hypocritical form.

'Nuf said.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 01, 2000.

been there, done that, got the bumper sticker, 'hated it'.......

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), January 01, 2000.

Diane,

In what sense do you feel that it is not over? What are your predictions? I'd really like to know.

The original clarion call by (who, de Jager, Yourdon, somebody way back when) was for Doomsday on Jan 1, 2000. Everything was supposed to quit, remember? But, due to massive remediation, that did NOT happen. Whew! Sure, there may well be a continuous, irritating unraveling caused by unremedied or poorly remediated systems. But we did NOT have a Doomsday. That's just a plain fact. y2k may not be over, but it sure has morphed into something different than originally advertised.

I agree, it would be silly and childish to do an LL on the Debunkers.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), January 01, 2000.

Lars,

Recall that most organizations were focused on "mission critical" systems. What about the rest of them?

Think 2000 will be the "Year of Glitches." Or else statements like... "No! THAT was NOT Y2K related!" Remember... the lawyers are hungry.

Global economic impact is the next phase, IMHO. Ask me again mid- February.

Diane

BTW, for the troll who accuses me of accusing the DeBunkers of intended censorship... well I learned about Andy Ray contacting the President of MIT... from Philip Greenspun... directly.

He alludes to it here...

Please explain recent ups and downs of this forum
(Philip Greenspun responds)

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 002BBl

So there.

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 01, 2000.

Lars, let's call a spade a spade. Many posters here have been doing hit and run attacks on the Debunking Boards for weeks now. I am sure Diane, in her infinite wisdom, would disavow this.

The difference between the two sites is that here, for better or for worse, you have 3 SysOps with itchy trigger fingers where some are concerned.

Lastly, Lars, you are correct. The days ahead appear to be more of a mop-up nature with regards to infrastructure. In retrospect, it is true that DeJager and the others proposed that January 1, 2000 was a drop-dead date, and yet, too many felt the deadline could not be met. This was the departure point, IMHO.

Last night, a programming remediator from a local bank conglomerate was over to the house. I hadn't seen him in quite a while and unbeknownst to me, he'd been devoting '80-90 hours per week for the past 2 years on remediation alone'.

And he had to go in this morning, as well.

How telling that this type of individual would be looked at as part of the 'spin' by members of this forum when he should be looked upon as someone who apparently got the job done, or is one helluva magician.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), January 01, 2000.

Well, that's probably not too good an idea. Escalation and all.

But thanks for posting the link. I'd not seen the debunkers site. Very interesting. I think it's ironic that the postings there are showing dates of '01/01/100'. . . .

-- =DSA. (dsangal@attglobal.net), January 01, 2000.

Diane and Bad Company

Thanks for your thoughts. BC, I did microprocessor programming in the early-mid 80s. All that qualifies me to say is that I know how mischievous S/W can be (not to mention hardware) and it boggles me to think of folks spending 80-90 hours a week remediating undocumented, sometimes deliberately obfuscated, patched-up old code.

I think the remediators (undoubtedly contracted types who got terminated as soon as the job was done) are heros. I hope they got big bux for toiling anonymously in their grubby cubicles doing work that would glaze over most eyes.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), January 01, 2000.

Diane,

You'll tolerate extreme behavior from the usual suspects here, but only those who agree with your general outlook.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), January 01, 2000.

Speaking of censorship (well, someone did)... Michael Hyatt's boards are now closed to new posters... according to the blurb at the top of the page, this was to 'eliminate disruptive messages'... sounds like Jim Jones turning the phones off while he mixed up the Kool-Aid. Wouldn't want any last minute deprogramming of the Y2K sucker masses!!!!

-- Just (anotherbuckeye@columbus.org), January 02, 2000.