..." I am getting support from a handful of laymen who perceive that they are at risk, society is at risk, and secular humanism is at risk. To lay blame effectively, you must be willing and able to predict the event. That's what I'm doing. I'm also laying the groundwork for handing out the blame. The battle for the minds of men after 1999 will, to a great extent, be a battle to assign and evade blame for the millennium bug. Christians will be in a position to win this battle." Gary North

..."The y2k crisis is systemic. It cannot possibly be fixed. I think it will wipe out every national government in the West. Not just modify them -- destroy them. I honestly think the Federal government will go under. I think the U.S.A. will break up the way the U.S.S.R. did. Call me a dreamer. Call me an optimist. That's what I think."

Gary North

"This will decentralize the social order. That is what I have wanted all of my adult life. In my view, y2k is our deliverance."

Gary North

Verify quotes here: http://www.serve.com/thibodep/cr/y2k.htm

Comments please!

-- DAVID (tdavidc@arn.net), January 01, 2000

Answers

Thank G-d is wasn't the end of the world. Thank you Gary North for putting the bug in the ear of the powers that be....

-- INever (inevercheckmy@onebox.com), January 01, 2000.

Yes David I'll comment.

Check back in with us in a little while when commerce/JIT/production/oil etc. gets going.

Until then please stop trying to get a rise out of us.

It must be past your bedtime.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 01, 2000.

I think it is too early to tell just yet if y2k is going to be a fizzler even if the nations have had successful rollovers into 1 Jan, 2000. There is yet the rest of the economy yet to face the big test when people go back to work on Monday. If prolems haven't all surfaced now then the Problems could very well start surfacing then.

-- Brent Nichols (b-nichol@ihug.co.nz), January 01, 2000.

OK guys. I am not trying to get a "rise" out of anyone. I just want to know what you think of this. I agree, there will probably be some problems on Monday. I never said this is a non-event. I just firmly beleive that the messenger should have as much scrutiny as the message. I beleive some good came out of his warnings. But what motivated it? Are his more controversial views common knowledge? Would you feel differently about his message knowing what he has said?

This is intellectual curiosity, not "baiting".

-- DAVID (tdavidc@arn.net), January 01, 2000.

David,

You must be new around here, huh? You may not realize that this forum has been in existence for 2 years, and at least once every day for the past year somebody comes in here ranting about Gary North, cutting and pasting quotes from him. You are not doing/saying anything new here. What you appear to not understand is that this is not a Gary North forum. Do you know that Gary North has his own forum, with discussion boards? Why don't you go ask them your questions? You have started several threads about this tonight. Is it not apparent that people here are not very interested in discussing Gary North?

-- (Sigmund@Freud.org), January 01, 2000.

The messenger should have as much scrutiny as the message

Gary North's religious nuttiness is hardly a state secret.

This avowed atheist read every word on that site knowing full well North's motivation.

I don't know yours.

-- cgbg jr (cgbgjr@webtv.net), January 01, 2000.

My motivation, as an outsider to this group, is simple curiosity. I want to know if people are following North because they beleive in his philosophies that are articulated in those quotes or if they are following him based on something else.

In short, has North started a thinly veiled religious movement or does religion has little to do with what motivates most "doomers" as you call yourselves? Is he trying to achieve some sort of power over his followers with his "doomsday scenario" so that he can implement his religous beliefs and be a ruling monarch over his devotees.?

The man appears to be pretty radical. Wondering if I was the only one who thought so or if people who are inside the "doomer" culture beleived he was a radical.

Again, nothing more than simple curiosity.

-- DAVID (tdavidc@arn.net), January 01, 2000.

Gary North's views are certainly radical, in the sense that only a small proportion of people subscribe to them. This does not necessarily render those views invalid. His conclusions about Y2K seem based not on his religious beliefs (though they reinforce each other), but rather on the research he has done on the subject. I have seen no indication that he is looking for subjects over whom to rule, and if Y2K is as disruptive as he anticipates, the infrastructure to facilitate his ruling would no longer exist.

I read Gary North because his arguments are logically and thoughtfully presented. There may be people who blindly accept all that he says, but I wouldn't expect to find them on this forum.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), January 01, 2000.