Is it not INCREDIBLE that not ONE major rollover incident has occurred?! : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

I for one am stunned that there has been nothing major reported. Wow. This is even more unreal than the kast few days have been!

-- (stunned@nd.amazed), January 01, 2000


Erm... yes... n-u-k-e. Relevance here?


-- (stunned@nd.amazed), January 01, 2000.

Yes it is amazing, this brings up a few possibilities: 1- Y2K is over Hyped . 2- A big cover up by the media . 3- Bug needs time to bite and spread . 4- Utilities world wide are bieng run manually, as to not risk it,and avoid panic. 5- Not much activity going on in the Mainframe world yet. 6- All the Computer Scientests world wide are Genuises . 7- or We need more time to see the impact of the 10% to spread.

hrmmm thats all I can think of, I prefer 1 and 4 as the most reasnoable what do you think ?

-- Fred (, January 01, 2000.

The problems are most likely being covered up. Also, as infomagic mentions, the fact that there are no visible problems only means that it will be much much worse later

-- (, January 01, 2000.

I'm amazed, but an answer springs to mind. What I've been worrying about for 18 months is untried failure modes. What I think is happening is that most people build boxes to tolerate other boxes not working right. People are forever kicking out cables, installing things badly and so on. The embedded bug, imho, has been eaten alive by these tolerances. We built the stuff better than we knew.

Now this isn't to say we're not going to see a truckload of glitches and snafus over the next year. But TEOTWAWKI - no, definitely not. Infomagic, Tim May, Mr CEO, and the Baron, you can come out now, the millennium's fine.

Any yes, I expect I'll be paying Ron Jeffries this time next year. Gladly!

-- Peter Merel (, January 01, 2000.

(NOTE: Sysops deleted the first response to the question, apparently from some undesirable, pointing out the Japanese "nuke problem" and asking me to spell. My response to this was left dangling. I do not count this as something "major" -- unless it is being covered up in a major way...)

-- (stunned@nd.amazed), January 01, 2000.

But everything is going along pretty much normally, isn't it? There's nothing stunning about normal. Your amazement is simply an artifact of distorted expectations. Reality is the same as it ever was, and you'd nod and not think twice if you handn't permitted your view of reality to become misinformed beyond all recognition.

When the world doesn't fit your theories, the problem doesn't lie with the world, you know.

-- Flint (, January 01, 2000.

Well, Flint..I kind of agree with you. But even the news [which few, even non-doomers trust] says "Wait Until Monday and even as late as March". Now---I'm hoping that if probs appear that they can be fixed...hopefully they won't swamp the IT people to fast, which is what most expected MIGHT happen on the midnight hour. My largest concerns were that China/Russia weren't ready and the balloon was going up. After that it was mainly concerns for smaller glitches, of which there have been some...but I'm not going to toss my backup plans in the trash yet...maybe never will. I LIKE being prepared for an emergency.

-- Satanta (, January 01, 2000.

Flint, I wouldn't call $300 billion (or whatever the figure is) "normal"! That kind of money buys *a lot* of code/hardware remediation... show me a system to which even $30,000 worth of work has been done which has come out 100% working.

How "some people" can just sit there while this kind of money is being spent and say "everything is normal" is beyond me.

-- (stunned@nd.amazed), January 01, 2000.

one trillion + dollars

-- Andy (, January 01, 2000.

You are NOT the only one who is stunned. In all today can only find out of less then one hand of minor glitches that has happened. This is absolutely great! We are able to have hope again and go about our normal lives. I think this is absolutely amazing or Y2K was very over hyped. I for one now have hope and faith in the future that maybe us two-leggeds humanity might very well might be able to go somewhere with our civilization. It has been great all day to see the common unity and peace in our world wide humanity as we all over this planet have welcomed in this special year. Happy New Year and May The Creator Bless!

-- Kayla (, January 01, 2000.

Midnight can be viewed as stage one of the effects of y2k. Unfortunately some information may not be available from relatively closed societies such as china for weeks. Russia exists across 12 of the 24 time zones. It was good news that reactors in the first 2 time zones appear unaffected so far. Of critical impotance will be the embedded chips in their gas delivery systems. They are major suppliers to Germany etc. of fuel.

The second phase will begin next week when businesses and gov't agencies that are shut down now start up.

The third phase will play out as any effects on supply lines that will be reflected in company earnings in the 1st quarter.

The news so far is very encouraging, but it's not over by any stretch of the imagination.

-- Andy (, January 01, 2000.


You are sounding eerily like deJager there. Careful!

You're right, the problems were and are real. Their impact was WAY overestimated on this forum, and I believe the remediation efforts have reduced them significantly. The lack of problems at rollover doesn't surprise me, since these would have been embedded problems, and I KNOW those problems were systematically (and in most cases I believe deliberately) misunderstood.

IT systems are outside my experience, so I can't speak with any direct knowledge. However, it's clear that the same thought processes that misjudged the embedded problems were applied to IT problems indiscriminately. The same tired equation that code bugs = computer failures = system failures = business failures = dominoes was applied equally faithfully, and equally incorrectly. Yeah, there will be all manner of annoyances. We'll live through them without undue inconvenience, with exceptions.

-- Flint (, January 01, 2000.

We are all still here!!


Every other fight is CRAP!!


I get to feed chickens, do laundry, dishes, take care of kids, and," DO MY OLD MAN!!"

All is in order!!

COOL HUH! I can sleep tonight!!

-- Hatti (, January 01, 2000.

stunned, you said:

"Flint, I wouldn't call $300 billion (or whatever the figure is) "normal"! That kind of money buys *a lot* of code/hardware remediation... show me a system to which even $30,000 worth of work has been done which has come out 100% working."

1. $300 billion spread across all the systems in the world that received attention isn't really very much money at all. It's not an excessively high amount for IT expenditures at all, really. The only difference is that this money got spent on Y2K instead of other projects. Rest assured, the money would have been spent on IT anyway.

2. Drop by my place of business on the "show me any working system costing over $30,000 to remediate that is 100%." I'm sure we can accomodate you.

-- Paul Neuhardt (, January 01, 2000.

Not world, country. Sorry about that.

-- Paul Neuhardt (, January 01, 2000.

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