Message to Ed.......

Okay.....you had a problem.

The big problem and mystery to me is why in the last 15 hours could you not put a link to where this new site is where that idiotic message about wanting a new Server sits now.......

YOu could put an actual link or better yet, a redirect........

The way it sits now, *deliberately* or not, you have excluded most of the participants of this forum because they do no know where to find the new location.....

What is the reason for this??

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 29, 1999

Answers

I too have been curious about this. Why not post the new link right on the main web page? hmmmmm I

-- (Here@today.com), December 29, 1999.

UH duh, you think maybe it's because we don't want whoever trashed the other forum to just click a link and repeat the process here?

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 29, 1999.

Nikoli,

If you could find this place, anyone can.

-- (Here@today.com), December 29, 1999.

Come on Craig

Phil has control of the system not Ed. There is not much one can do when Phil is in his fart sack sleeping. You have as much control over it as anyone else, like none.

Mind you getting Phil to post a link on the page would be a good idea. But still that couldn't be done till today.

This is interesting little tid bit

"Philip Wednesday night around midnight"

wouldn't that be Wednesday morning around midnight? Obviously a tired guy.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), December 29, 1999.

Quit whining, Craig. Go back to picking your nose or something...

Why do you even care?

-- They sure (dobitch@lot.dontthey), December 29, 1999.

Uh, Craig,

I think this should be addressed to Phil Greenspun as he was the one who put up that "idiotic message"...

Ed is just an innocent spectator...

-- Forum Regular (Here@y2k.comx), December 29, 1999.

he he, yep took me every bit of two minutes to do it too. Most of that was waiting for my browser to load.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 29, 1999.

Yeah.....I know......I didn't expect him to link it instantly.....but with just over 2 days to go 'til rollover I didn't think it is reasonable to still not have done such a tiny task!!

And by now, surely they have figured out the IP Address of the offending robots and read them the riot act.....

Bottom line is with that moronic message about wanting someone to give him a new Server still there, it reeks of a "I'm taking my baseball and going home" childish mentality.

We all have bad moments and get pissed off occasionally. However the gentlemanly thing to do would be to get rid of the idiot message and put a link to where the forum is now......

If that isn't done, it will be clear that it was done to quash free debate and/or he is scared that many of the extreme opinions posted here could actually cause harm and cause problems for the web site owners...........

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 29, 1999.

Forum Regular.....you are right.......

Sorry Ed.....apparently this should be addressed to Phil and not you.

PHIL.........you're the man....how about it?

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 29, 1999.

Has it occurred to anyone that the good folks at MIT wanted to divorce themselves from the insanity that the TB2000 forum had become?

-- Look (at@the.facts), December 29, 1999.

Look at the facts.......

Yes, that is exactly what I have been implying.....

I'm still waiting however from a straight-forward answer from Phil about what the truth it......a simple oversight and the old home page will have a link to the new site immediately OR an admission that they are deliberately distancing themselves from TB 2000....

Either one is fine.....just be nice to get a straight answer with no fudging around!

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 29, 1999.

TB2000 is technology at it's best. Where else could MIT develop and research a forum with thousands of particpants like TB2000. There's a tremendous amount of knowledge and human psychology boiling together in one big pot. I am thankful that we have this place to come to and I was more down in the dumps about what happened at TB2000 than I am about Y2K.

-- long timer (longtimeposter@longtimerrr.xcom), December 29, 1999.

Mutha Nachu......

So are you saying that Phil and/or MIT are embarrased by all of the doomer prophecies that failed to materialize and are quietly trying to slink out the back door?

Honestly, let's just wait for Phil to give us his answer....hopefully soon! Geez, usually you're the first people to scream about the right to free speech.......now it is being impeded, you're not screaming too loud......STRANGE!!!!!!!!!

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 29, 1999.

Last time I looked, we are still hosted by Greenspun (Phil). I admit, I don't understand the differance in operation between this forum and TB2000. Just happy to see this place up and running.

Phils' server is owned by MIT. If anyone would start a fund drive for a new server for Phils use, I'll help.

Just my way of saying THANKS!

-- Tommy Rogers (Been there@Just a Thought.com), December 29, 1999.

It's not Up and Running Tommy!!!!!

That's the point man!!

The vast majority of contributors don't know where to find it.....this is something Phil could FIX with (for the tenth time) a two minute programming job.....either add the link to this site from the old main page or else do an automatic redirect using the meta- http tag REFRESH....

The question still stands........WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN DONE??

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 29, 1999.

I'd like to know why several good net audio and am/fm radio sites discussing Y2K suddenly stopped from one day to the next.

I listened to Tony Keys from California on AudioCasting.com. He had been broadcasting a show on Y2K for, if I am not mistaken, about two years. Then, suddenly, without a word, he stopped or was made to stop the show. I had never heard of him before, and had only been listening about 3 mos. However, I caught a snippet of him on a Y2K video, so I feel he has been very active in the Y2K community.

Then there were several different commentators on a site called "Welcome to My Nightmare". It basically dried up too.

But thank God for Y2K News Radio with John Anderson & Tim Wilson. They have been shuttled around quite a bit, and Tim has stepped to the side a little, but they have been real troopers.

Mike Adams had a running list of Y2K failures, a Citizens' List. That was also stopped overnight.

Censorship ------ Censorship ------ Censorship ---- Censorship

-- Lurkess (Lurkess@Lurking.Net), December 29, 1999.

If you think about it for two seconds, the reason the old forum went down was that several people were running a robot against it, downloading all the linked pages. If they put a link or redirect on the old page to the new forum, any robots that are still active would immediatly start downloading all the linked pages on the new forum, potentially shutting down the new forum.

Now, would you like a little cheese with that whine?

-- Jerry Heidtke (jheidtke@email.com), December 29, 1999.

Craig.....

Your point is well taken, if you are only asking for a roadmap.

-- Tommy Rogers (Been there@Just a Thought.com), December 29, 1999.

I've already been in several rounds of communication with Phil.

Phil chooses not to post a link at this time, because he feels the same thing will happen again. A group of people almost trashed his server. He is protecting it and other forums that operate on Greenspun. He wants a Pentium to handle "our" archives, because that server is full, on a "free" service, and we take up about "900% of the space..." his words.

Shift Happens.

Be grateful we have this Back-up Forum, for now.

Got ideas on manifesting that Pentium for him anyone?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), December 29, 1999.

Craig,

"Phil" is our host. He does not scroll through our pages, and he does not post here. Phil is our host. Phil is not going to give you an "answer." Did I mention that Phil is our host?

Phil, as in Phillip Greenspun. (Let me direct your attention to the url at the top of your screen.)

Please read Jerry's response above. Posting a link on the old site would be, well, DUH!

Why don't you pour yourself a big tall glass of ShutTheHellUp!

-- semper paratus (always@ready.now), December 29, 1999.

Craig believes that Phil and M.I.T. monitored TB2000 for failed "doomer" predictions? And, the pollies think we're delusional?

-- (RUOK@yesiam.com), December 29, 1999.

Craig , It is obvious that you are *upset* and that your sense of "right and wrong" has been tweaked. However, we are guests in the Kingdom of Greenspun, and Phil rules absolutely.

He has given us the tools and "Virtual acreage" to build an online community. There are Many other forums on his server, but TB2000 took almost all the resources(CPU cycles and disk space). To protect an entire Kingdom, a village was 'sacrificed'.

This is a Kingdom, not a Democracy or Republic, Phil is King.

The good citizens were tossed out with the bad. We had no warning. Not everyone will find a new village in time for the rollover.

We will have to live with the reality of the situation.

I am grateful that Phil has given much time and effort, with NO personal profit by the way, to the communities that have formed in his 'Kingdom'.

Of course, Ed and all the Sysops have also given a great deal to this community, they deserve our thanks as well.

-- Possible Impact (posim@hotmail.com), December 29, 1999.

why not, instead of whining, e-mail anyone you know who uses the TB forum and send them here- I was lost too- until a couple of folks in the New England TB forum group sent me an e-mail and I found it via Humpty Dumpty- thanx guys.

seems to me that Phil is disgusted and ticked off by what happened- don't think that getting mad at him is proper at all- get mad at those who hacked it- I don't see "conspiracy" on his or MIT's part- just hacker stuff as usual.

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.com), December 29, 1999.

Shit. He found us.

-- a (a@a.a), December 29, 1999.