Is Lockdown the Brit Equivalent of Martial Law? : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

What is the difference in a British "Lockdown" and American "Martial Law"? It seems to me as if they both accomplish about the same thing.

Are the British citizens upset about this?

-- LZach (, December 26, 1999


Are the British citizens upset about this?

British citizens are as stupid as our American citizens. They will be upset when they see it AND it affects them, not before.....

-- hamster (, December 26, 1999.

Yes it's tantamount to the same thing, No they are not upset about a City lock-down if it will present bombs going off.

Belfast and the noth was under the equivalent of ML for many years and people went about their business, albeit with minorities suffering abuse etc.

The Brits are open about ML, the police and army have long standing y2k action plans which include ML - same goes for Canada.

It's only the USA that's lieing to it's people - as usual.

-- Andy (, December 26, 1999.

Go to Franklin Frith's site and check out new releases: FEMA DOCUMENT Federal Response Plan OPERATIONS SUPPLEMENT YEAR 2000(Y2K) CONVERSION

It looks like Dec. 28 it starts, have not read all 26 pages of doc..

Lived thru the 67 riots in Detroit, also checkout


-- intel (gotbeans&, December 25, 1999


It looks like the SPIN will be in overdrive as all information is to be routed trough FEMA officials.( look at the flow cards in the document)

I am glad there are other venues open besides the happy happy joy joy of the official releases.

The question will be how much spin will be in the REST of the world.

It could be very well be that only good news will be spun in the beginning by everyone as they can not admit anything else.

I believe the true level of Y2k will not be known until the spinmasters can't spin it any longer ( the people are on the street for everyone to see)

This will be the point of chaos.

-- RickJohn (, December 25, 1999.

The activities I saw for Dec. 28 were to man the command posts. Noticed that they have 360,000 # of food stored up for distribution. On a starvation diet of 1/2 # per person per day, would feed 240,000 people for 3 days. Didn't see anything about confiscating food from evil hoarders.

Intel, were there really 67 riots in Detroit, or is there a Century Date Problem here?


-- Mikey2 (, December 25, 1999.



-- wondering what (, December 25, 1999.

Followup to previous post:

I found the last 2 pages interesting. Of the four priorities listed, JQP comes in at # 3. FWIW

-- wondering what (, December 25, 1999.

Anybody able to convert PDF and post pertinent segments here? Some are PDF impaired. If website thought it was really important why didn't they post it html? The memory factor is not an issue for 26 pages of text.

-- pdf impaired and proud of it. not (, December 25, 1999.

It looks like the SPIN will be in overdrive as all information is to be routed trough FEMA officials.

Now, I know why they call it SPIN. If a gyroscope stops SPINning it comes crashing down. Even when it starts to teeter, FEMA will have to find a way to jury rig the gyro bearings and get it to spin all the faster!

-- Slobby Don (, December 26, 1999.

It seems to me that "locking down" that portion of London is logistically more viable than attempting same in New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles. They have that central core that probably can be contained. Washington D.C. is a maybe if the PTB are concerned enough.

Additionally, given the years of the Irish troubles, they have had to weather bombings and threats. Culturally, they will be more cooperative, I suspect. Remember though what Jim Lord and others have written. There aren't enough of any kind of U.S. militia to provide the same sort of widespread protection during New Years Eve.

People in this country are unaccustomed to being watchful in crowds other than guarding their wallets from pick pockets. Staying alert, staying sober, or better yet avoiding those huge crowds is not a bad bet.

-- Nancy (, December 26, 1999.

Lisa, it's a completely differnt culture - you simply can't compare the two.

The average Briton is law-abiding and values "law, order and good government" above debates on 'personal freedom' [in fact, the British government also wrote that reponsibility into the British North America Act, the founding constitutional document for Canada, which explains why the Canadian response to this is so different to the American one, both publicly and at governmental levels].

One of the net benefits of this is that both Britain and Canada tend to have a very relaxed style of policing, with relatively few officers and police agencies proportionate to their populations. In both countries, people tend to police themselves, even if only in the form of the proverbial British and Canadian 'politeness.' The police are simply not seen generally as an oppressive force in either country nor - with rare exceptions - do they generally behave in that way.

Such, sadly, cannot now always be said of the great Republic to the south.

Under such circumstances, the British - and most Canadians - would probably see the local presence of their Army as being welcome and helpful if there was widespread disruption: they wouldn't consider it anything other than a temporary supplement to local police or government.

It's often been a source of surprise to me to see Americans look puzzled at this, until I realized that a society based on 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' would naturally view such a development differently than one which prized 'peace, order, and good government.'

They are simply different states of mind, which happily overlap sufficiently that we can still comprehend each other :).

-- John Whitley (, December 26, 1999.

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