A thought for those of you w/ food preps, to keep beggars away:

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You've probably thought of this by now anyway, but: If things become bad enough that you are using your supplies, sooner or later there will be some sort of organized food distribution in your area. You might want to be seen there, especially carrying away your own allotment. Those of you with guilty consciences can always give it to the little old lady down the street later when no one is looking. The thing is, people from your neighborhood will be there, and will note your absence. they may have been too stupid to prep, but they will still put 2 and 2 together, and realize that they may not have to make the trip to the public distribution site after all. If they see you in the dole line with everyone else, even if they know you are GI, they will assume you are in the same situation they are, and forget you. They may ask you "what about your plans (heavy sarcasm)?", and you can say "Didn't work/food ran out/went bad whatever" and they will not give you a second thought.

Jes' thinkin'...

-- Little Pig (littlepig@brickhouse.com), December 21, 1999

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That's a thought but I plan to be invisible. Don't want my name and location to go on any list. I really don't care what my neighbors think. I warned everybody 6 mos ago that this was coming and it was going to be everyman for himself. Even offered to help them prepare. The guys on either side took me up on it and we can shut down this side of the street now. All bets are off, it isn't going to be like it was. Now, if someone wants to borrow a cup of sugar, no problem, heck take the whole bag. Soon that bag of sugar is all the sugar you are ever going to be able to get. I'm real sorry you didn't prepare. Now move on.

-- John Malone (paranoid@mybunker.com), December 21, 1999.

I think that those of us with generators shouldn't run them at night for electrical lighting. Just cooking and heating. Thoughts?

-- Jim Slade (vet@locknload.com), December 21, 1999.

Jim -

I really spent a lot of time thinking about this when I was doing my preps. In the long term, I decided it was best to invest my resources in food, heating and water as my logic is simple - If we are that stuffed, oil and diesel etc. are going to be hard to come by.

My other point reflects your sentiments - If you have a generator, you are telegraphing your status. I'm pretty isolated out here (small village, probably less than 250 people) and I didn't want to strick out too much.

Mind you, I will miss CNN !!!

-- merville (merville@globalnet.co.uk), December 21, 1999.


You'll get over it. The Commie Noose Net ain't what it's cracked up to be. It's harder to get over missing food...

Kook

-- Y2Kook (Y2Kook@usa.net), December 21, 1999.


Merville, I noticed that you are from the U.K. You see, we have a thing here called the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. I am armed to the teeth. That, plus a 130 lb. Rottweiler is my yard dog. My 5 acres are all fenced and gated. It's too bad you guys in the U.K. allowed yourselves to be disarmed. Now, only the bad guys have guns in your country. If TSHTF, maybe I'll turn on some lights. Then they can accuse me of shooting over a baited field. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

-- Jim Slade (vet@locknload.com), December 21, 1999.


"I think that those of us with generators shouldn't run them at night for electrical lighting. Just cooking and heating. Thoughts? "

The noise those things make (and the gas they drink) are why I didn't get one. I think it is important to look miserable if things get rough. Not BE miserable, just look that way...

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), December 21, 1999.


Atta-way Jim!

-- John Malone (paranoid@mybunker.com), December 21, 1999.

Jim -

I wish you well - and you are very well situated for running a generator. However, the thought of armed beggars coming to help me reduce my stocks would also reduce my ability to sleep at night !1

On my last trip to the US my wife TOTALLY freaked out when she saw a man carrying a holstered gun in TX. I'm not so easilly spooked, but you do have a good point about the bad guys having the guns.

What worries me (like my US counterparts) is the government. Watched a program on TV last night and the head of action 2000 was emphatic - 'dont stockpile, don't worry - everything will be OK'.

I've got 24 years exposure to technology - She is a typical politician. Now who would YOU believe ???

(And yes, we do have armed police, and the troops will be on 10 minutes standby on the 31st ...)

-- merville (merville@globalnet.co.uk), December 21, 1999.


Jim , trouble with that is everyone else will also be "armed to the teeth" , and there will be a lot more of them than you. You also have a limited ammo supply. If you go out rampantly shooting peoplein a crisis then other people won't think "gee, i'll avoid there", they will think "hey ,that guy must have something worth stealing".

just my $0.02

-- XOR (drwizzard@usa.net), December 21, 1999.


Merville, In 10 minutes you and your family could be dead waiting for the Bobbies to come save you. And, they have a lot of other calls to go to. I have "911" too. It is not going to do me any good as I live out in the country. If TSHTF I am responsible for my and my family's own safety. As XOR said, "I don't have enough ammo". Wanna bet! Have you ever seen what 12 gauge .00 buck shot fired from a Browning auto shotgun can do? God, I hope it does not come to this. But, "I will not go quietly into that good night". I am prepared come what may.

-- Jim Slade (vet@locknload.com), December 21, 1999.


XOR, "If you go out rampantly shooting people in a crisis then other people won't think "gee, i'll avoid there", they will think "hey ,that guy must have something worth stealing". If you knew you would be blown away would you go there? I think not!

-- Jim Slade (vet@locknload.com), December 21, 1999.

Jim, 1) i have a very good idea of what 00 buckshot can do , personally i prefer my .308 , far more accurate. 2) If i was starving , and thirsty i would go out regardless of wether or not i thought i would get shot. Gotta eat. Getting shot would, IMHO be a damm sight better than dying from starvation/dehydration.

-- XOR (drwizzard@usa.net), December 21, 1999.

XOR, That post was pathetic. If you can't take care of yourself, why would you expect anyone else to take care of you. Oh! I forgot, the gubmint. Anyone who comes on my property to try to harm my family or steal anything that I have preped is dogmeat. .308? I also have a 7mm Remington Mag 700. How 'bout them apples.

-- Jim Slade (vet@locknload.com), December 21, 1999.

Little Pig,

I have thought this one over and it seems to me that if a person who has stockpiled food, like most of us on this forum, stands in line to get disaster relief food when we have plenty at home and it comes out that we have plenty at home then we are wide open, with no moral or legal defense, to a hording charge. Not a position I want to be in. Then they will confiscate ALL your food!

To the others. It's easy to talk about shooting people to defend your food, but be very careful in actually doing so. I seriously doubt that it will get so bad that once things do return to some level of normalcy that you wouldn't find yourself facing serious jail time. Who will watch after your spouse and kids then? Just be very sure that is your only option.

-- ds (ds@deepsouth.com), December 21, 1999.


Jim , I don't expect to be looked after by anybody , least of all .gov I am prepared for an indefinate period (3 years+). I have been a survivalist since 15. Where I am planning on heading is so remote that you would be lucky to see 5 people in a normal year. The point I was trying to make , first off , was that shooting people will attract unwanted attention. Unless you have got a couple of container loads of ammo, you won't keep out the starving masses for long.

-- XOR (drwizzad@usa.net), December 21, 1999.


One thought on protection of ones home .Don't go looking for trouble . Better to stay at home on your own turf. Let the bad guys come to you ,the best offence is a good defence . thank you MR.MOSSBERG.

-- gs (gunstarr@olypen.com), December 21, 1999.

Isolation is impossible unless you head for the wilderness. No matter whether you're an isolationist now, time will change your thinking; you will end up sharing. It's the only way in crisis situations.

"No man is an Island entire of itself, every man is a piece of the continent a part of the main"

Lesson #1 will be selflessness.

-- _ (___@___.___), December 21, 1999.


Mmmm, yeah, let's all compare barrel sizes. Slap them on the table, guys.

Pathethic.

Have you given a thought to what happens after the shooting stops? Even if the rule of law goes, the corpses littering your fire zone have relatives. All the ammo in the world won't protect you.

Share and help to preserve society, or die unloved and unmourned. Your choice.

-- Servant (public_service@yahoo.com), December 22, 1999.


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