Michigan Lobbyist: If They're Prepared, Why Do They Need Immunity?

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Five laws inked by Gov. Engler. Don't think of suing anyone...

-- PJC (paulchri@msn.com), December 19, 1999


And if the pollies are right, and Y2K is a big hoax, why do they need immunity ? I sure would like an answer from a Yourdan Forum Polly, if you please ? Any takers ??? Polly up ?

-- Rob (maxovrdrv51@hotmail.com), December 19, 1999.

Definitely not a polly but this does not surprise me in the least. If you read the latest Navy Report (12-16) OR the Michigan State Police Website concerning contingency planning for Y2k, this legislative blunder had to take place. Clearly, the Michigan legislature and Michigan's governor, John Engler, care nothing about the citizens of Michigan. No surprise there!

-- Ruth Edwards (REath29646@aol.com), December 19, 1999.

Click on the link at the bottom of the page: "What do you think" and there are no entries. Apparently, everyone in Lansing is either asleep or have left the city. . . or just have no thoughts.

-- (ho@hum.com), December 19, 1999.

Please, let us (them) protect Big Commerce. What about Johnny Six Pack, who spent his last dollars for a nice puter for his Wife's Christmas, which may flunk the 01 Jan test. Do they care about him?,nooooooo

-- Bottle of Wine (Sick@bigbusiness.com), December 19, 1999.

So we all hate the big bad business. Get a life please. In this race to sue everyone everytime some idiot spills coffee on their crotch is a sign of this society incompetence. This chase for free money screws the society and leaves the lawyers rich.

Take some responsibility for your OWN SELF. We have too many attorneys and too many politicians.

-- Squid (ItsDark@down.here), December 19, 1999.


If one will not take care of their responsibilities, then they have no rights.

-- formerly (formerly@nowhere.zzz), December 19, 1999.

Dear Squid, I have taken responsibility for myself. That is why I believe in preparation and frequent this forum. However, I believe that government, companies and large corporation need to also take responsibility for the rhetoric which they have spouted for over the past year. You say "Get a life". With the rhetoric spewed by all levels of government as well as companies and corporation, I hope the DGI's who have listened to them, have a life after Jan 1.

-- Ruth Edwards (REath29646@aol.com), December 19, 1999.


Who is more responsible and culpable for any post date change problems we might encounter? The companies that have to worry about regulators and shareholders or the GOVERNMENT whose job it is to protect and defend us (general sort of way)? We elect these pinheads for life because they build libraries at good old state U. that they name for themselves. Your focus on this boogeyman big business was built by the same politicians who should be working for the American people mot finding bunkers for them and theirs.


-- Squid (ItsDark@down.here), December 19, 1999.

Hi Squid, It would seem from you have written that you view politicians and corporations as separate entities. Sorry, I view them as one working together in tandem. Corporations do have to worry about their shareholders but they have little to fear from a government who looks the other way.

-- Ruth Edwards (REath29646@aol.com), December 19, 1999.

Squid, Sorry, I almost forgot: JJJJEEEESSSHHHH

-- Ruth Edwards (REath29646@aol.com), December 19, 1999.

LOL ! Sick'em Ruth ! Sorry Squid Pro Quo...

-- Rob (maxovrdrv51@hotmail.com), December 19, 1999.

Sorry Squid, you really missed the boat on this one. You're right in as much that we shouldn't expect suits to take care of us, but we've moved too far towards a culture where it's acceptable for people to disclaim responsibility even when they've contracted to accept it (by taking our votes or money, for example).

Contrast that with Japan, where suits accept personal responsibility, right to the top. I'd like to see more western suits do that, but if they won't do it voluntarily, we need to force them to do it. And I'm not talking about suits against corporations, but against individual executives. If the law won't or can't help, then other forms of action are possible, starting with boycotting and voting at the "nice" end of the scale, rising to more direct action.

Taking personal responsibility for your own life also means taking responsibility for keeping those who have power over you honest.

-- Servant (public_service@yahoo.com), December 20, 1999.

As for Japan, some poor sap admits embarrasing corp. resigns in discrace and gets a job in .gov for punishment. They are in be together as much or more so there. Don't let the cheap facade give the impression of real accountability.

Should corporations have accountability, damn straight. But and this is very important we have to ACCEPT at least part of the responsibility ourselves. Yes you and I created and nurtured the enviornment where no good corporate deed goes unpunished by lawyers. Then we cry that Oh NO the big suits are having the lawyers review every announcement to minimize tort. There is this feeling that when you hit the big Co. that somehow the big suits even notice, Hell. guess we have to fire some poor saps on the factory, better yet let's get a grant and re locate to some third world country. Now we can cry that they are located overseas. How many of you socially caring people have asked BEFORE you buy those shoes where they are made. I have as a rule only bought New Ballance because they used to be the only major tennis shoe not made overseas. Guess what they coudn't compete and have all but moved their production.

When push comes to shove we always want someone else to pay. That is the same thinking that allows the .gov, .med, .corp to spin things on a soundbite. The majority won't question a thing as long as we maintain the dow jones industrial.

It's like our government We got what We paid for. Anytime in the past the .corp will get hit by throwing out the scapegoats. I am tired of seeing accountability by newsbite. The government is the primary institution that is ultimately responsible for leadership on this issue and this has been lacking, so I hold them as primarily responsible.

Don't take the Jeesh personally lawyers get under my skin. Even the responsible ones have sat aside and allowed their proffession to go out of control.

Thanks for the lively exchange and as always have a pleasant Holiday.

-- Squid (ItsDark@down.here), December 20, 1999.

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