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12/18/99 -- 7:50 PM

Virulent Flu Strain Taxing Southern California Hospitals

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A nasty strain of the flu is flooding Southern California hospitals with haggard patients, straining emergency rooms and forcing some medical centers to send the sick elsewhere.

Hospitals from Los Angeles and San Diego inland reported scores of patients suffering from the flu, pneumonia and respiratory ailments Saturday.

The crush of flu-suffering patients forced dozens of hospitals in Los Angeles and Orange counties to close their emergency rooms temporarily Friday and route patients elsewhere.

``It's a big one,'' said Joan Keller, a nursing supervisor with San Bernardino County's Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton, where the critical care units were full Saturday. ``It's been heavy everywhere, from what I'm hearing.''

Nurses at Arrowhead and many other hospitals are working extra shifts to cover for colleagues who caught the bug and to care for the additional patients seeking treatment.

``I don't think anybody really knows what's causing it. Maybe it's a new strain,'' said Silvia Mieure, nursing supervisor at Northridge Hospital Medical Center northwest of Los Angeles.

``Typically people are sicker around the holidays because it gets colder, but the flu-type symptoms seem to be higher than last year.''

Admissions for flu and cold symptoms have bumped the daily patient count at the hospital by 30 to 40 since the first of December, she said.

One culprit may be a summer virus that has lingered because of a warm fall, said Dr. Steven Larson, an infectious disease specialist at Riverside Medical Clinic. Allergies fed by Santa Ana winds also have contributed.

-- got clue (about@y2k.flu), December 18, 1999


Aha! We knew pretty soon there would be articles about medical personnel overwhelmed by all the people getting ill with respiratory difficulties.

It's bad up here too, in Oregon / Washington land.

Very difficult to shake this persistent miserable 'flu.'

Since so many don't wanna hear about topics they perceive as Off Topic if they haven't seen 'em up close 'n personal for themselves, we'll stay quiet now. But do have to say the timing is mighty suspicious and naturally, by observation and direct experience, we feel we know where this 'flu' is coming from.

A population having trouble breathing, racked by fever and worn-down exhaustion, is not as apt to roil in the streets, eh?

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (, December 18, 1999.

California, must have been a bad batch of Chem Trails?...---...

-- Les (, December 18, 1999.

Being on a respirator sucks.

-- hurts too (y2k@pull.plug), December 18, 1999.

Maybe should check out this:

-- Questioning Everything (Wasn't, December 18, 1999.

If these bad illnesses start peaking near 1/1/2000 the hospitals will be strained.

-- Jenny (, December 18, 1999.

12/18/99 -- 9:24 PM

Report details medical errors in V.A. hospitals

NEW YORK (AP) - Federal investigators have documented almost 3,000 medical mistakes and mishaps in less than two years at veterans hospitals around the country, and more than 700 patients have died in those cases, The New York Times reported.

The Department of Veterans Affairs says in a new report the accidents and deaths occurred from June 1997 to December 1998, in the first 19 months of a new policy that requires employees to report medical errors and ``adverse events.''

The problems include medication errors, like prescribing or dispensing the wrong drugs, the failure of medical devices, abuse of patients, errors in blood transfusions and surgery on the wrong body part or the wrong patient, the Times reported Saturday on its Web site.

The comprehensive self-examination by the department is believed to be the first of its kind by any health care system in the nation and shows what could be expected if all hospitals had to report their errors, as recommended recently by the National Academy of Sciences, the Times said.

The Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, said last month that medical errors killed 44,000 to 98,000 people a year in hospitals alone. More people die from medical mistakes each year than from highway accidents, breast cancer or AIDS, it said.


And this is when things are going well, yikes

-- stay away (from@hospitals.y2k), December 18, 1999.

I thought that ya'll would like to see some pics of some really nice Trails. First scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the image at the bottom. It is a nice set of Trails formed on the 17th, looks like they are headed for California. Then click on the Images bar on the left for more pics of these some believe imagined, "Signs in the Sky". I really should have taken some pictures of the ones I saw over Ga. the other day. They were much prettier. Oh well, there's always tomorrow. Isn't there?


-- ~***~ (~***~@earth.ebe), December 18, 1999.

Yes, those are good pics from the Images bar. The last pic on that Images page looks exactly like our plowed sky with the strange rainbows, except our furrows were much longer, as long as the eyes could see. Thanks for the site.

-- A & L, getting a little better (, December 18, 1999.

" ... medical errors killed 44,000 to 98,000 people a year in hospitals alone ... "

My guess is 10X that many but most are covered up.

-- hospital risk (present@danger.future), December 18, 1999.

I have a relative who got pneumonia from it and died. Heart was weak to begin with, and this flu takes all the energy out of its victim.

-- Lance (, December 18, 1999.

Whatever is being sprayed bogs down the lungs.

-- whole family had it (dtr@still.does), December 18, 1999.

Just heard on the radio news that local hospitals are worried about the burden that will be placed on them by all the women who've decided to have Millenium Babies. I heard another report last week, don't remember from where, that some hospitals were having to refuse to do questionable C-Sections to prevent women from trying to have the first Millenium Baby.

-- (, December 18, 1999.

Our neighbors and friends are very ill with the "flu". Sarah, who is 5 mos pregnant had to go to the emergency room today. The Doctor's are not sure what 'strain' it is, just that it is nasty and running rampid in our area.

And yes, gosh darn it...I too have seen chemtrails. Not sure if there is a direct connect, its just pretty eerie to see them...why are they....what are they.....hack hack cough cough.

-- (, December 18, 1999.

I have worked in the health care busness for 30 years and I haven't heard of "one" such incident of a mistake causing serious injury or death. I heard a doctor say the same thing on the radio a few days ago.

Granted there are mistakes and probably rising with less nurses to cover sicker patients. Most benign mistakes are giving the medications too late/not in a timely fashion.

I have to wonder if the excessively high numbers are trumped up like the "spotted owl" was a few years ago-which were made up for hype.

I also think the possible increase of hospital mistakes can be directly attributed to hiring janitors for aides and "not nurses" for COST CONTAINMENT. Administration and doctors win with bonuses and the patients lose in the "quality." [Get a copy of Dateline's healthcare segment" of putting unqualified people in patient care settings. It aired the last Friday of November. It will leave you "stunned and scared."]

-- (, December 18, 1999.

Hospital errors will continue as long as doctors are pushed (residents and interns work hours that are criminal in ANY other profession) and there are too few nurses to back them up.


Seen it too many places

-- Chuck, a night driver (, December 18, 1999.

please tell me...what are chem-trails?

-- cin (, December 18, 1999.

Oooooo, the stories we could tell from working in a hospital! Some are in the archives. Ahem. Suffice it to say it's better to not be in one near Rollover. Oh the stories we could tell!

-- saw drastic mistakes every hour (, December 18, 1999.

Well, I have the flu, but so far "I'm winning." (Thanks to massive doses of Vitamin C and honey & lemon in hot water).

For other people around Silicon Valley this one is, many times, turning into walking pneumonia. It's grimly tenacious when it gets to that level.

(Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt).

One friend sounds so bad, he should be in a hospital!


-- Diane J. Squire (, December 19, 1999.


I too "have worked in the health care business for 30 years" -- and I have first-hand or second-hand observed more than I ever wanted to of serious injury and even deaths. I guess either you or I must have worked on another planet.


This is the time of the year when hospitals get filled up with 'flu' cases, with or without chemtrails. However, I'm looking seriously into the latter -- people I respect have been posting their multiple observations of them; in such a case my bias always favors anecdotal info from reliable individual sources over PR people and 'official sources' -- ANY day! I'm checking into it as much as my heavy prep schedule allows.


-- William J. Schenker, MD (, December 19, 1999.

Follow link to 'frozen 1918 flu samples recovered'.

-- John Whitley (, December 19, 1999.

I've had it for about 2 or 3 weeks. Started getting symptoms after some heavy chemtrail activity. Lots of poeple hhere in N. Calif. ill with it. Coincidence? I have the grain of salt, but the chemtrails I've seen are not normal at all. No way.

Yes, the revival of the 1918 flu rang a bell with me.

-- johno (, December 19, 1999.

Thank you very much for being willing to look into this, Dr. William J. Schenker. A true scientist is interested in rooting out the facts. The best of connections to you!

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (, December 19, 1999.

Last night we had our Christmas party for our friends, in our home. we usually have about 40 folks. Well the phone started ringing about 4 P.M. with folks calling to beg off because of the flu. All in all, we had a total of twenty-five make it .We are in Alaska, so this bug is making the rounds.

-- Capt Dennis (, December 19, 1999.

My company (Mass.) is being devastated by the flu. I can tell you that it's, "nasty". It makes you wish you were dead.

-- paul leblanc (, December 19, 1999.

Cough...cough...Ack! Cough..cough..

-- Captain Trips (Captain@Trips.Flu), December 19, 1999.

My family has had to take vacation time early because of respiratory illness. It makes everybody too sick to go to work after the first couple of days. It is contagious and is spreading.

-- sore in SE (, December 20, 1999.

I know nurses who are saying this one is worse than usual and doctors are reporting respiratory complications. This illness is claiming a lot of lost worker productivity in more places and the numbers are still going up with no signs of peaking yet.

-- Sylvia (SylviaO@nospam.notnow), December 21, 1999.

My entire family and extended family is currently sick. Everyone.



-- Michael Taylor (, December 21, 1999.

Both my daughter and I have had it since Thanksgiving. My husband seems to have a toned down version - he was just congested, not as much coughing/fever as us.

-- Laura (, December 21, 1999.

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