OT - DJIA shows no profit in 7 months, NASDAQ correction overdue?

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Do you realize that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is now only about 20 points higher than it was on May 13, over 7 months ago? That means investors in Dow stocks on the average have earned about .002 ( 2/10 % ) on their investment in 7 months.

The Nasdaq of course is a different story, but is there really a good explanation for that? Looking at the trend for the last 6 months seems to indicate perhaps some "irrational exuberance" since early November. Sure looks IMO like it is overdue for a major correction.

For all the flamers and trolls out there, I am not trying to pretend that I know anything at all about this, just thought it was worthy of taking a look at it. It would be nice to hear opinions from those who are more familiar with the economy and the markets. If our economy is really "booming" as they keep saying in the media, then what is wrong with the Dow stocks?


DJIA SINCE MAY (7 MONTHS)




6 MONTH NASDAQ




-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 17, 1999

Answers

Nice work, Hawk. Could you also import the 30-yr treasury interest rates for one year? (That is where Yardeni missed big time in his 1999 return-on-investment forecast.)

-- W (me@home.now), December 17, 1999.

Here's part of an article from Prudent Bear. No matter what you think of that fund, these are the facts. As I've said elsewhere, NASDAQ and NYSE Margin requirements are now down to 25%. Gas on the fire!!

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And look at derivatives. Somehow, Greenspan long ago joined Wall Street as a proponent of derivatives as instruments for reducing risk. As a result, never before have there been 40 million of open stock option contracts at the Chicago Board Options Exchange, having almost doubled in 4 months. Certainly, this explosion of option positions is related to speculating and not risk management. Never before have there been $100 trillion in outstanding derivative positions. Never before have US banking system portfolios had $28 trillion of interest rate derivatives, having almost doubled in two years. Never before has the largest US bank with total assets of $380 billion and shareholders equity of $23 billion had almost $13 trillion of derivative positions, never. Never before have 3 quasi-governmental institutions increased their lending by more than $500 billion in 21 months. These institutions now have total assets of about $1.5 trillion supported by about $600 billion of short-term debt and equity of about $51 billion. Never have the four largest US brokerage firms had assets of $1.1 trillion supported by equity of $47 billion. Never before have there been about $400 billion in assets in the hedge fund community utilizing huge leverage. Never before has there been a financial system as leveraged and rife with speculation as the one that exists today.

For households, mortgage debt has increased by more than 20% in just the past two years. Total mortgage debt has increased by almost $1 trillion. And if households are running to borrow, corporations are sprinting. Total corporate debt has increased almost $900 billion, or 26% during the past two years. And throughout the over-zealous financial sector, the greatest credit expansion in history. During the past 24 months, the financial sector has increased borrowings by $2 trillion, or more than 40%. Yet this patently excessive credit growth is disregarded. Instead of sound analysis, the current fad is to hype the new era and celebrate new paradigms.

But the fact of the matter remains that the same dynamics that have for more than a decade fostered ugly booms and busts around the globe are now planted firmly here at home. And with the credit system unrelentingly out of control, egregious speculation and endemic credit excesses combine to covertly malign the real economy. And post boom, this is where the damage will prove the most difficult to overcome. Never before has an economy so gutted its productive capacity while, at the same time, accumulating a mountain of foreign debts. Never before has the structure of the US economy been more dependent on imports to support its standard of living, while at the same time less capable of producing tradable goods. Never before has it been so apparent that the present course is unsustainable, while, ironically, never before have so many been so convinced that the financial and economic booms will last forever. This is as tragic as it is unbelievable. So many lessons were not learned; so many warnings blindly ignored.

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), December 17, 1999.


W,

I'll see if I can find a chart, but here's those numbers...

30-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Rate
Averages of Business Days
Percent
Source: H.15 Release -- Federal Reserve Board of Governors

DATE GS30
1977.02 7.75
1977.03 7.80
1977.04 7.73
1977.05 7.80
1977.06 7.64
1977.07 7.64
1977.08 7.68
1977.09 7.64
1977.10 7.77
1977.11 7.85
1977.12 7.94
1978.01 8.18
1978.02 8.25
1978.03 8.23
1978.04 8.34
1978.05 8.43
1978.06 8.50
1978.07 8.65
1978.08 8.47
1978.09 8.47
1978.10 8.67
1978.11 8.75
1978.12 8.88
1979.01 8.94
1979.02 9.00
1979.03 9.03
1979.04 9.08
1979.05 9.19
1979.06 8.92
1979.07 8.93
1979.08 8.98
1979.09 9.17
1979.10 9.85
1979.11 10.30
1979.12 10.12
1980.01 10.60
1980.02 12.13
1980.03 12.34
1980.04 11.40
1980.05 10.36
1980.06 9.81
1980.07 10.24
1980.08 11.00
1980.09 11.34
1980.10 11.59
1980.11 12.37
1980.12 12.40
1981.01 12.14
1981.02 12.80
1981.03 12.69
1981.04 13.20
1981.05 13.60
1981.06 12.96
1981.07 13.59
1981.08 14.17
1981.09 14.67
1981.10 14.68
1981.11 13.35
1981.12 13.45
1982.01 14.22
1982.02 14.22
1982.03 13.53
1982.04 13.37
1982.05 13.24
1982.06 13.92
1982.07 13.55
1982.08 12.77
1982.09 12.07
1982.10 11.17
1982.11 10.54
1982.12 10.54
1983.01 10.63
1983.02 10.88
1983.03 10.63
1983.04 10.48
1983.05 10.53
1983.06 10.93
1983.07 11.40
1983.08 11.82
1983.09 11.63
1983.10 11.58
1983.11 11.75
1983.12 11.88
1984.01 11.75
1984.02 11.95
1984.03 12.38
1984.04 12.65
1984.05 13.43
1984.06 13.44
1984.07 13.21
1984.08 12.54
1984.09 12.29
1984.10 11.98
1984.11 11.56
1984.12 11.52
1985.01 11.45
1985.02 11.47
1985.03 11.81
1985.04 11.47
1985.05 11.05
1985.06 10.45
1985.07 10.50
1985.08 10.56
1985.09 10.61
1985.10 10.50
1985.11 10.06
1985.12 9.54
1986.01 9.40
1986.02 8.93
1986.03 7.96
1986.04 7.39
1986.05 7.52
1986.06 7.57
1986.07 7.27
1986.08 7.33
1986.09 7.62
1986.10 7.70
1986.11 7.52
1986.12 7.37
1987.01 7.39
1987.02 7.54
1987.03 7.55
1987.04 8.25
1987.05 8.78
1987.06 8.57
1987.07 8.64
1987.08 8.97
1987.09 9.59
1987.10 9.61
1987.11 8.95
1987.12 9.12
1988.01 8.83
1988.02 8.43
1988.03 8.63
1988.04 8.95
1988.05 9.23
1988.06 9.00
1988.07 9.14
1988.08 9.32
1988.09 9.06
1988.10 8.89
1988.11 9.02
1988.12 9.01
1989.01 8.93
1989.02 9.01
1989.03 9.17
1989.04 9.03
1989.05 8.83
1989.06 8.27
1989.07 8.08
1989.08 8.12
1989.09 8.15
1989.10 8.00
1989.11 7.90
1989.12 7.90
1990.01 8.26
1990.02 8.50
1990.03 8.56
1990.04 8.76
1990.05 8.73
1990.06 8.46
1990.07 8.50
1990.08 8.86
1990.09 9.03
1990.10 8.86
1990.11 8.54
1990.12 8.24
1991.01 8.27
1991.02 8.03
1991.03 8.29
1991.04 8.21
1991.05 8.27
1991.06 8.47
1991.07 8.45
1991.08 8.14
1991.09 7.95
1991.10 7.93
1991.11 7.92
1991.12 7.70
1992.01 7.58
1992.02 7.85
1992.03 7.97
1992.04 7.96
1992.05 7.89
1992.06 7.84
1992.07 7.60
1992.08 7.39
1992.09 7.34
1992.10 7.53
1992.11 7.61
1992.12 7.44
1993.01 7.34
1993.02 7.09
1993.03 6.82
1993.04 6.85
1993.05 6.92
1993.06 6.81
1993.07 6.63
1993.08 6.32
1993.09 6.00
1993.10 5.94
1993.11 6.21
1993.12 6.25
1994.01 6.29
1994.02 6.49
1994.03 6.91
1994.04 7.27
1994.05 7.41
1994.06 7.40
1994.07 7.58
1994.08 7.49
1994.09 7.71
1994.10 7.94
1994.11 8.08
1994.12 7.87
1995.01 7.85
1995.02 7.61
1995.03 7.45
1995.04 7.36
1995.05 6.95
1995.06 6.57
1995.07 6.72
1995.08 6.86
1995.09 6.55
1995.10 6.37
1995.11 6.26
1995.12 6.06
1996.01 6.05
1996.02 6.24
1996.03 6.60
1996.04 6.79
1996.05 6.93
1996.06 7.06
1996.07 7.03
1996.08 6.84
1996.09 7.03
1996.10 6.81
1996.11 6.48
1996.12 6.55
1997.01 6.83
1997.02 6.69
1997.03 6.93
1997.04 7.09
1997.05 6.94
1997.06 6.77
1997.07 6.51
1997.08 6.58
1997.09 6.50
1997.10 6.33
1997.11 6.11
1997.12 5.99
1998.01 5.81
1998.02 5.89
1998.03 5.95
1998.04 5.92
1998.05 5.93
1998.06 5.70
1998.07 5.68
1998.08 5.54
1998.09 5.20
1998.10 5.01
1998.11 5.25
1998.12 5.06
1999.01 5.16
1999.02 5.37
1999.03 5.58
1999.04 5.55
1999.05 5.81
1999.06 6.04
1999.07 5.98
1999.08 6.07
1999.09 6.07
1999.10 6.26
1999.11 6.15


-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 18, 1999.

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