Thinking about doing a separate forum, with fixed fields that can be a recepticle for the world-wide watch. The regular forum could continue to be its normal hodge-poge of posts.

Anyone have good Y2K watch links?

Idea comes from this site: Time & date references...

http://www.jrwhipple.com/z2k

Thanks.

Diane, back to bed, down with flu

-- Anonymous, December 15, 1999

Answers

Okay world map showing light & dark... long load time or hanging up now?...

Earth View...

http:// www.jrwhipple.com/z2k/site_earthview.html

-- Anonymous, December 15, 1999

Possible thread organization. Comments?

TimeBomb 2000 Y2K Time Zone Watch: Instuctions
TBY2K Time Zone Watch: CLOCKS
TBY2K Time Zone Watch: MAPS
TBY2K Time Zone Watch: Other Resources & Y2K Watch Groups
TBY2K Time Zone Watch: Back-Up Forum Links

Zone 0: RED ALERTS
Zone 0: REPORTS: New Zealand: Auckland, Christchurch, Wellington < br> Zone 0: REPORTS: Fiji: Suva, Labasa
Zone 0: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone1: RED ALERTS
Zone1: REPORTS: Solomon Islands: Honiara, Malaita
Zone1: REPORTS: New Caledonia: Magenta, La Tontouti Vanuatu, Micronesia
Zone1: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 2: RED ALERTS
Zone 2: REPORTS: Australia: (East) Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart, Brisbane
Zone 2: REPORTS: Guam, Papua New Guinea
Zone 2: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 3: RED ALERTS
Zone 3: REPORTS: Australia: * (Central) Adelaide, Alice Springs, Darwin
Zone 3: REPORTS: Japan: Tokyo, Ishinomaki, Nagasaki
Zone 3: REPORTS: Korea: Soul, Kyongsong
Zone 3: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 4: RED ALERTS
Zone 4: REPORTS: Australia: (West) Perth, Derby
Zone 4: REPORTS: China Coast
Zone 4: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 5: RED ALERTS
Zone 5: REPORTS: Far East: Singapore, The Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Mongolia
Zone 5: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 6: RED ALERTS
Zone 6: REPORTS: China, Russia, Indonesia, (Burma & Bhutan) *
Zone 6: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 7: RED ALERTS
Zone 7: REPORTS: Afghanistan, Pakistan, India * Nepal **
Zone 7: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 8: RED ALERTS
Zone 8: REPORTS: Turkmen, Uzbek, Russia
Zone 8: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 9: RED ALERTS
Zone 9: REPORTS: Middle East: Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Oman, UAE, Iran *
Zone 9: REPORTS: Africa: Ethiopia, Somallia, Madagascar, Tanzania < br> Zone 9: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 10: RED ALERTS
Zone 10: REPORTS: Eastern Europe: Finland, Poland, Turkey, Cyprus < br> Zone 10: REPORTS: Africa: Egypt, Sudan, Zambia, South Africa
Zone 10: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 11: RED ALERTS
Zone 11: REPORTS: Western Europe: Spain, Belgium, Italy, Yugoslavia, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark
Zone 11: REPORTS: Africa: Algeria, Libya, Chad, Nigeria, Congo, Zaire, Angola, Namibia
Zone 11: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 12: RED ALERTS
Zone 12: REPORTS: GMT=UTC: England, Wales London, Birmingham, Poole
Zone 12: REPORTS: Ireland: Dublin, Cork, Belfast, Londonderry
Zone 12: REPORTS: Scotland: Edinburgh, Inverness, Glasgow
Zone 12: REPORTS: Iceland: Reykjavk
Zone 12: REPORTS: Western Africa: Morocco, Senegal, Gambia, Liberia
Zone 12: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 13: RED ALERTS
Zone 13: REPORTS: Mid-Atlantic (No Land Mass)
Zone 13: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 14: RED ALERTS
Zone 14: REPORTS: Greenland
Zone 14: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 15: RED ALERTS
Zone 15: REPORTS: Atlantic time zone: Canada, Newfoundland *
Zone 15: REPORTS: Brazil: Rio de Janeiro
Zone 15: REPORTS: Argentina: Buenos Aires
Zone 15: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 16: RED ALERTS
Zone 16: REPORTS: USA: Eastern time zone PST: New York City, Boston, Washington DC, Indianapolis, Atlanta, Miami
Zone 16: REPORTS: Canada: Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
Zone 16: REPORTS: Venezuela: Caracas, Bolivia: La Paz
Zone 16: REPORTS: West Indies, Trinidad & Tobago, Port of Spain
Zone 16: REPORTS: Chile: Santiago
Zone 16: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 17: RED ALERTS
Zone 17: REPORTS: USA: Central time zone : Omaha, Chicago, Dallas, New Orleans, Nashville
Zone 17: REPORTS: Canada: Winnipeg, Regina
Zone 17: REPORTS: Mexico: Mexico City
Zone 17: REPORTS: Panama: Panama Canal
Zone 17: REPORTS: Honduras: Tegucigalpa
Zone 17: REPORTS: Peru, Colombia
Zone 17: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 18: RED ALERTS
Zone 18: REPORTS: USA: Mountain time zone: Helena, Boise, Salt Lake City, Denver, Phoenix
Zone 18: REPORTS: Canada: Calgary, Prince Albert
Zone 18: REPORTS: Mexico
Zone 18: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 19: RED ALERTS
Zone 19: REPORTS: USA: Pacific time zone PST: Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Reno, Las Vegas
Zone 19: REPORTS: Canada: Victoria, Vancouver
Zone 19: REPORTS: Mexico: Tijuana, & The Baja Peninsula
Zone 19: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 20: RED ALERTS
Zone 20: REPORTS: USA: Alaska time zone: Anchorage, Valdez, Kodiak, Prudhoe Bay
Zone 20: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 21: RED ALERTS
Zone 21: REPORTS: USA: Aleutian time zone: USA, Pitcairn US Air Force Base
Zone 21: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 22: RED ALERTS
Zone 22: REPORTS: USA: Hawaiian time zone: Honolulu, Pearl Harbor, Mauna Loa
Zone 22: REPORTS: French Polynesia, Cook Islands, Kiribati
Zone 22: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone 23: RED ALERTS
Zone 23: REPORTS: Tonga, Midway Island, Tokelau, Samoa
Zone 23: Reporter Watch Sign-Ups/Comments:

Zone UNKNOWN: RED ALERTS
Zone UNKNOWN: Miscellaneous REPORTS:

-- Anonymous, December 15, 1999

Koskinen speaks...

http://www.usia.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/ latest&f=99121502.glt&t=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml

[snip]

MR. LIPMAN: Which is the more significant date, midnight on December 31st or Monday morning, January 3rd? And tell us about 7 o'clock Friday, December 31st.

MR. KOSKINEN: Well, actually a lot thought 7 o'clock Friday was the time. It turns out it's 6 o'clock Friday morning, because New Zealand is on summer time. We are all discovering if we didn't really pay a lot of attention before that obviously the world turns and there are 24 time zones. And so we are going to watch the world turn, starting at 6 o'clock on Friday morning, December 31st, when New Zealand goes into the year 2000. Two hours later Australia will go. By noon you will have covered a lot of Asian countries and Japan. And then we'll watch Eastern Europe, Western Europe, the British all go into the year 2000 before we do.

So if you want to figure out what should you watch, you might as well join everybody else who is watching what goes on in the world. And in fact we view the rollover management as kind of three cycles. The first will be international, where everybody is looking at what happens on Friday, our Friday, as other countries go into the year 2000.

The next cycle will be starting at midnight Eastern Standard Time on New Year's night, and that is what happens in the U.S. as we move through four time zones here. And then if you move into Hawaii you obviously move a couple of more. And we'll monitor that, and people will be very anxious to see how all the testing that is going on on Saturday with all of these -- literally hundreds of thousands of Americans working that weekend in banks, insurance companies, state government agencies, federal agencies, all testing their systems. And we'll move through that second cycle.

Then the third cycle will be how do the systems work when they are actually up and running in normal circumstances when the world goes back to work. So the third cycle will start again at 4 or 5 o'clock Sunday afternoon when New Zealand and others start to open for business. And clearly a major issue will be how does the U.S. economy do on Monday, January 3rd, as all the normal systems are up and operating. And it's one thing to test systems before the year 2000; it's another to test them on Saturday to see if they are running. But the real test will be on Monday when thousands and hundreds of thousands or millions of transactions and events take place as they normally do in the economy.

As I noted, we think that some things will happen over time. And in fact the experts tell us it's unlikely that anybody's lights are going to go off immediately anyway -- or telephone -- that what's going to happen in developing countries, if they have difficulties, is they are going to lose the ability to monitor and manage their system. And so power and telecommunications challenges in those countries will occur and appear as a result of slow degradation of services that may take two or three days to appear. So we will monitor that through the middle of the week, although I continue to believe that by the end of the first week in January we will have a very good picture of what's going on in the world. That doesn't mean we will have solved it all, but we will at least have a pretty good idea of what the challenges are that are going to need to be faced. But again you should remember, as I noted, billing cycles and a lot of other issues will go on for the first time in the rest of January and through the first quarter of the year as people run their systems through the normal processes.

But from the standpoint of an aggregation of issues that will be a national event or a newsworthy event, I think we will have a pretty good idea about that by the end of the first week of January.

-- Anonymous, December 15, 1999

I should be happy to take particular responsibility for Great Britain, of course, and shoul dbe able to pick up one or two odd bits and pieces from other plaes not formally monitored by other forumites. Also, I should be able to report on any peculiar problems from local scanner monitoring.

After the list of forumites/watch responsibilities is set up, please consider the following. Have the "Rollover Monitors (RMs)" report their findings to the special forum. Perhaps as many as six trusted forumites, with delete powers, working in approximately four-hour shifts, or two doing an 8-hour and covering each other, could then monitor the postings to make sure they are coming from the list of trusted persons and not trolls. Spamming could also be more easily controlled. Persons posting should be encouraged (and posts could be edited--warning beforehand!) to show the original source and country (and URL, where available), which should precede the information. Gossip and third-party information should be similarly labeled at the beginning of the post. Possibly, comments might be restricted to another thread so that someone just tuning in can read straight through all the alerts without having to wade through a ton of "Wow!" comments! Moderators can transfer posts made by forgetful people (like me).

Above all, I think we need a thread or threads (for each region, perhaps, labeled so as to include, say, the EST time equivalent of rollover), with safeguards from trolls.

Just stream of consciousness here, y'all feel free to rip it apart. Diane, as noted, you cannot POSSIBLY have the flu; it is merely a 24-hour virus and you will be in WONDERFUL deleting form before you know it. If you DO turn out to have the flu, I think it's damned inconsiderate of you to be ailing right now. (VBG) Feel better!

-- Anonymous, December 15, 1999

Thanks for the comments. Yes there could be several Rollover Monitors with delete capability. Good idea.

Was going tho post the times for each zone inside each thread and guess we need one at the top level.

Great.

Diane, I may not want the flu but it's sure "got" me!

-- Anonymous, December 16, 1999

This is a request from a friend of mine who works for the Red Cross in Oregon. (Hazardous Material Disaster Response)

[snip]

Don't know if you got my message a couple of weeks ago. But I was wondering, are you working New Years Eve to keep an eye on Y2K events??

I will be in our Emergency Operations Center from about 3pm PST till after midnight watching it creep towards us. Was wondering if you could send me little updates on what is going on on the east coast, or hook up with me on IM.

[/snip]

Rick Cowles is also set to announce "watch activities" for CDC.

Probably ought to get some dedicated (voluntary, yet explicit)lines of communication established so we don't step on each other, eh?

~C~

-- Anonymous, December 19, 1999

Update: Monday morning...

Just reporting some recent Rollover activity involving Steve Davis and Rick Cowles...

From: "Steve Davis" < steve@davislogic.com >
To: "Diane J. Squire" < sacredspaces@yahoo.com >
Subject: Moderator job
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:43:32 -0500

The civicprep conference call group wants to put a network together of people reporting on the rollover. You know, grassroots local reports of what is happening to compare to the official version. Are you planning anything like this? If I were to set one up on LUSENET how hard would that be? How big of a pain is it to do - you should know!

Regards,

Steve Davis

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Reply...

From: "Diane J. Squire" < sacredspaces@yahoo.com >
To: steve@davislogic.com
Subject: Re: Moderator job
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 1999, 12:04 AM

Steve,

I'm going to be setting up a separate forum for just that purporse. Will put it together this Sunday.

It will be a "fixed" thread situation where "rambling" comments can occur on TBY2K but specific time zones will be on the "new" one. (We want to keep it clean)

So far the thread structure will look like this (with some tweeks)...

[Zone text deleted--see list above]

Any suggestions?

We can all use it. Perhaps Rick Cowles too.

Diane

c.c. Rick Cowles

FYI

Subject: Re: Will the Greenspun/MIT servers be up over the New Years weekend?
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:33:45 -0500
From: Philip Greenspun philg@mit.edu

I have no plans to turn off any computers. I was unaware of any MIT- wide shutdown.

Philip

(And MIT generates it's own power).

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So...

I c.c.d Rick a copy of the reply.

Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:00:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Moderator job
From: "Rick Cowles" < rick@csamerica.com >

Diane,

Interesting that this topic should come up. My thoughts (and what I've been doing along the same line) are probably much too long for an email. Can you give me a call on Monday? Or I can call you on my dime. My office phone number is:

856-299-7936 X-205

If you want me to call you, send me your phone number and a good time to call. There's a lot of stuff going on on my end, and I think we could dovetail our efforts together to leverage all of our collective experience.

Rick

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(Note: Phoned--we talked--big doins--under wraps until he gets final contract signed today--then hell release me to tell you all about it- -and how we can participate with the Rollover Forum--Diane)

Now...

From: "Steve Davis" < steve@davislogic.com >
To: "Diane J. Squire" < sacredspaces@yahoo.com >
Subject: RE: Moderator job
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:35:16 -0500

Thanks Diane I will look for the advisory about MIT and send it to you.

Regards,

Steve Davis, Principal

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From: "Steve Davis" < steve@davislogic.com >
To: "Diane J. Squire" < sacredspaces@yahoo.com >
Subject: FW: [AMG] M.I.T. will be shutting down their non-critical computers on December 30th...
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:35:31 -0500

Here is what I was referring to.

Regards,

Steve

-----Original Message-----

Sent: 17 December, 1999 5:52 PM
To: AMG-L@abilnet.com
Subject: [AMG] M.I.T. will be shutting down their non-critical computers on December 30th...

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/351/nation/ MIT_s_advisory_on_Y2K_Beware+.shtml/

[snip]

"Besides ensuring an ample supply of flashlights, cots and blankets, and hiring elevator technicians to be on site on New Year's Eve, institute officials are urging that every one of MIT's estimated 20,000 computers and servers that can be shut down be turned off no later than Dec. 30, a full day before computer clocks begin flipping over to 2000."

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Sent: 18 December, 1999 11:18 AM
To: steve@davislogic.com
Subject: Re: FW: [AMG] M.I.T. will be shutting down their non-critical computers on December 30th...

Steve,

That's (or something similar) is what I referenced to Phil. Guess he considers his stuff "critical."

;-D

Diane

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From: "Steve Davis" < steve@davislogic.com >
To: "Diane J. Squire" < sacredspaces@yahoo.com >
Subject: RE: FW: [AMG] M.I.T. will be shutting down their non-critical computers on December 30th...
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:02:11 -0500

Great. So now, how do we combine forces. A lot of the civic prepers want to participate. I have a number of media outlets that have me standing by. I'll be able to feed info to them. Jen Bunker is going to be in the Utah info center and can do the same. Plus, Bennett will be there.

Regards,

Steve Davis, Principal
DavisLogic, Inc.
P.O. Box 394
Simpsonville, MD 21150
410.730.5677
Steve@DavisLogic.com
http://www.DavisLogic.com/

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:46:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "Diane J. Squire" < sacredspaces@yahoo.com >
Subject: RE: FW: [AMG] M.I.T. will be shutting down their non-critical computers on December 30th...
To: steve@davislogic.com

Steve,

Rick Cowles wants to join in too. He'll call on Monday, so we can talk about it, so I'll hold off setting up the new forum until we figure out "what it is."

After setting up the Prep Forum from scratch, I learned that planning what you want to do, say, gather and/or categorize first, is critical.

What I could use is "your take" on what kind of information we all want to collect and where to put it.

A fixed format forum doesn't allow users to add new threads (and thereby causing a jumble of confusing posts that scroll off the main page) but people can post on the sub-topic oriented treads. Since we have such a distinctive division with 24 Zones, that can become the "basic forum structure."

So, put your thinking cap on.

Getting global researchers is simple. I also recommend several Sysops with delete key access. My team now numbers 6 Sysops. (And still the trolls keep trying).

*Sigh*

BTW, anyone researching will want to develop their key international "ping" list. Already we are seeing several posters from various parts of the country having troubles. Myself included.

The global internet rollover "waffle" could really be the DNS servers.

Diane

See threads...

Interesting: I Just Got To Test The Greenspun Ping
http://18.24.3.72/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0022a8

Time To Develop Your Internet Ping List (Need Help)
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001xIb

-- Anonymous, December 20, 1999

Once I have the go-ahead from Rick, I'll update you all.

Awaiting a response from Steve Davis, and I'll phone him tomorrow... to "chat" directly.

;-D

Diane

-- Anonymous, December 20, 1999

Thank you Diane!

Mike

-- Anonymous, December 21, 1999

Looked further at the fixed forum idea, and it's just not going to work well.

So, new "cleaner" forum, new categories.

Just talked with Steve Davis and shared that with him. He has over 70 groups that want to be involved, and sees the forum running for several months, reporting on events, and acting as a newsmedia feed.

So between the Rollover Watch TBY2K group, Rick Cowles etc., and the [civicprep] lists associated with Coalition 2000, it could be a gathering place for all those who find the TimeBomb a bit too ruckus.

I can relate.

Waiting to hear back from Rick.

Update later.

Category ideas anyone?

Diane

-- Anonymous, December 21, 1999

Quick post from work (on deadlines) will post latest details tomorrow morning. May run late tonight.

With Steve's Davis's group this is like a runaway frieght train.

If you go the the level of http://www.greenspun.com/bboard, under the Private list, for now, you'll see the name of the predominantely Coalition 2000 forum in the making.

Grassroots Information Coordination Center (GICC)

Will 'splain what's going on there, and how it all dovetails, eventually.

Ciao.

Diane

-- Anonymous, December 22, 1999

Does anyone think the 24-zone watch is still necessary as a separate forum, or should we just handle it on TBY2K?

Diane

-- Anonymous, December 27, 1999

Diane, TB2K will be a bit of a jumble but just let it remain as is: it will be where the action happens! Time zone progression will start with Bob Barbour posting from New Zealand ... threads will march up the New Questions page ... just ask posters to put their general LOCATION in CAPS at the beginning of their thread titles.

-- Anonymous, December 27, 1999