OT: Clinton "exploring using executive authority" on gun control issue...greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
Hmmm. And what options does he have, exactly?
Q Joe, can you talk at all about what the President is prepared to do next year to improve gun safety?
MR. LOCKHART: I think that we believe that Congress has frustrated the American public on the issue of gun safety, that we have more than enough evidence, that we need to take steps. So we're going to move aggressively to work with Congress on issues that we've put before them, but we're not going to rely on Congress. We're going to find other avenues. We're exploring using both our executive authority invested in the President that we have discussed potential litigation against the gun industry, and I think it's our overall sense that this is something the American public is demanding. And we're doing a lot of work now to be ready next year to come out and move aggressively to make sure that we're doing everything we can to make our streets safe, make our schools safe, and fight the problem we have with gun safety in this country.
Q What type of actions can be taken by executive authority?
MR. LOCKHART: It's something that we're looking at now. I think as you know, we've had a series of meetings over the last few weeks here at the White House and we're looking at things we can do, and I think you'll hear more about this next year.
-- Roland (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999
"Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Pretty cool." God save the King, NOT. go ahead Punk, make my day.
-- Nikoli Krushev (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
Gee, First President ever impeached, first President ever ousted by armed insurrection...Wonder what other tidbit this ignorant asshole can think of next?
-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@aol.com), December 15, 1999.
A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment.
After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.
William Burroughs "The War Universe," taped conversation (published in Grand Street, no. 37; repr. in Painting and Guns, 1992, in a slightly different form).
The main foundations of every state, new states as well as ancient or composite ones, are good laws and good arms. . . you cannot have good laws without good arms, and where there are good arms, good laws inevitably follow.
Niccolo Machiavelli The Prince, ch. 12 (1514).
Weapons are an important factor in war, but not the decisive factor; it is people, not things, that are decisive. The contest of strength is not only a contest of military and economic power, but also a contest of human power and morale. Military and economic power is necessarily wielded by people.
Mao Zedong "On Protracted War" (May 1938; published in Selected Works, vol. 2, 1961).
-- snooze button (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
Clinton thinks our democracy is not working. In order to make certain the will of the American People is not frustrated, he'll just *have* to take over.
And, yes, I'm sure we will "hear more about it next year."
-- Me (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
Gee, First President ever impeached,
He is the second to be impeached. The first Johnson was the original. (Sorry to correct you it's a sickness)
-- John Beck (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
Roland, What is the source of this information ? I would like to follow up on this.
-- Rob (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
me, we are NOT a democracy. you will not find that word in either the constitution or declaration of independence. jefferson and co. feared a democracy. a democracy is nothing more than mob rule. we are a repbublic with definitive seperation of powers with checks and balances. sorry to go off on this, but, the lack of knowledge on this allows "stroke of the pen, law of the land" crap to go on. relevancy to y2k? the "democracy" has decided that the millenium starts 1/1/00 not 1/2/01. it goes down hill from there.
-- theletterz (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
Executive orders that restrict or abolish constitutional rights are illegal. At this point it becomes the moral duty of the citizenry to disobey unjust laws, and to use all necessary means to elimnate them, including armed force if need be.
Clinton is playing with fire. There is no difference at all between using executive orders against firearms or against religion. I am proud to be among those who will once again risk life, property and sacred Honor to assure our constitutional liberties are passed along intact to future generations. And I don't care if the Feds are monitoring this newsgroup and see this. They are Americans too, and they are responsible for what they do. It is only polite to warn them as well that there are limits within which they are legally and morally bound to remain.
-- Forrest Covington (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
The source was today's White House press briefing by Joe Lockhart.
BTW - there's plenty there about the arrest of the Jordanian terrorists in the briefing as well.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
True enough. For some of us, our firearms ARE our religion.
Hallelujah! Pass the ammo, brother!
-- Tim the Y2K nut (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
Thanks, Patrick. Forgot to link. It's been a hot day at the whitehouse website... :-)
-- Roland (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
There are worse things in life than death...
-- zoobie (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
"War is a continuation of politics by other means" Carl Von Clausewitz,1832. We are having war made upon us. Most are not aware of it. Too bad.
-- (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
First [?] president ever cited for contempt of court, for lying under oath and misleading the court. Gawd, what a scumbag this guy is.
-- SH (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
Bill Clinton needs to openly state how many Americans he intends to kill to "save lives" by gun grabbing, because he really will have to kill many Americans.
I want his predicted death toll. And I am sick of these type of people refusing to answer the question that MUST be answered. How many Americans are they planning to murder to achieve that gun grab?
How many millions of Americans will be murdered in that coming civil war?
-- Paula (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
"A patriot must be prepared to defend his country from it's government"
-- Sam (Gunmkr52@aol.com), December 15, 1999.
Chuck Heston quoting an unknown(to me) author:
The Second Ammendment has as much to do with hunting and target shooting as the First has to do with Romance novels.
-- Chuck, a night driver (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
He does the grab thang an Ah'll jes hafta become a crimminul.
-- jes a long suffrin' ol footballer (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 15, 1999.
The version I heard is "the 2nd Amendment has as much to do with duck hunting as the 1st Amendment is about scrabble." Many people, even NRA members, see the right to bear arms as having something to do with hunting or defense against assailants. The framers of the Constitution understood that the right to bear arms exists to protect us against the government, not against criminals, although in these decadent times we need guns for both purposes.
-- cody (email@example.com), December 15, 1999.
An act of war.
-- Will continue (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 16, 1999.
As was stated by a chaplain during WWII in the Pacific:
"Praise the Lord and pass the ammo."
I hope our Congress takes serious issue with this and passes the legislation to STOP Executive Orders. (Didn't Liberty post a thread on e-mailing our Legislators on this, earlier in Oct./Nov.?)
-- Deb M. (email@example.com), December 16, 1999.
"It is only polite to warn them as well that there are limits within which they are legally and morally bound to remain."
Forrest, you are unwisely indulging yourself in romantic luxury you can ill afford.
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-- Magnolia (Magnooliaa@yahoo.com), December 16, 1999.