Keyes wins again, but no one cares : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

Now it's MSNBC polling showing him the overall winner of the debate.

But, the 'fisshul media continues to focus on the Magnificent Two.


-- Ron Schwarz (, December 14, 1999


I agree, Ron! I've been amazed and awed by Dr. Keyes' rhetoric, intellect, and his compassion (boy, they're wearing that adjective out lately) since the last presidential elections, where Keyes made such a good initial showing. I kept asking myself, "Where have they been hiding this guy!?"
He's been a regular contributor on WND for a good while, and he always seems to be right on top of the true issues, pointing the way out of the morass we're in.
It really is apparent watching the major network ratchetjaws that their agenda is to pump out one name, and one name only, notwithstanding the actual results of these "debates". Anyone with half a mind can easily see who's got the genuine goods, and who's in it as a show pony.
I hope Keyes makes it; if we pass up something this good, we deserve what we get afterwards, which will most likely be more of the same hoohah we've had for the last 8 pitiful years.

-- Jay Urban (, December 14, 1999.

Not to wax too Biblical on the subject, but human nature generally seems to favor the Sauls over the Davids.

And it's starting to look like even when it *doesn't*, the Nooz Monitors will be there telling us all what we *really* think.

-- Ron Schwarz (, December 14, 1999.

I tend to have a great deal of respect for Mr. Keyes, but the fact that he is a regular contributor to World Net Daily troubles me.

-- Butt Nugget (, December 14, 1999.

The Amazing Mr. Keyes is far too Christian and, as a consequence, pro-life to be embraced by the International Bankers who own the Corporations that own the national media. Abortion is their satanic sacrament. They MUST spill the blood of innocents, in a diabolical inversion of Jesus dying on the Cross, and spilling his innocent blood. At this moment when satan thinks he has triumphed, God is about to destroy him. Watch and pray.

-- Rider (free@last.Amen), December 14, 1999.

Alan Keyes has my vote.

-- the Virginian (, December 14, 1999.

"I tend to have a great deal of respect for Mr. Keyes, but the fact that he is a regular contributor to World Net Daily troubles me. "

Why? THere is nothing wrong with WND. I use it to balance out NPR, which I listen to daily.

World Net Daily, right wing though they may be, broke the original "Know Your Customer" story. I have consistently noted that stories that appear on WND end up in the mainstream press a month to six weeks later.

The New Media of the Internet differs from the mainstream press in one crucial way at least. NPR only pretends not to have a point of view, as do NBC/ABC/CBS/FOX. Yet they most certainly DO put out a point of view along with their news. World Net Daily, and others, are very up front about their point of view, which allows their audience to be aware of and consider it. I find this to be much more honest than the deceptive bias of the corporate media, and I think this bodes well for the future of the New Media.

-- Forrest Covington (, December 14, 1999.

Been supporting Alan Keyes for four years now. Here is a link to his website, send him a few bucks.

-- Ray (, December 14, 1999.

Oooops, forgot to include a link to his website" Alan Keyes


-- Ray (, December 14, 1999.

Rider, the bankers "satanic sacrament" also serves the needful purpose of allowing women to stay in the workforce, most productive, paying fistfuls of money into state welfare programs (i.e., Social Security, Medicare), consuming things needed to go to work, eating out more often, paying others to perform services that women used to do for "free" in the home (taking care of children, taking care of elderly and sick, which kept contagious diseases out of larger populations). They sold abortion to women as the "rode to freedom, you control your own body", yet women are still raped as often, treated with less respect in general, beaten as often as before by their husbands, still don't run corporations in any larger number than the 1960's, etc., but the new difference is the woman's future wages are now promised to mortgages and credit cards along with the mans. A banker's delight! Women in the USA now live the way we were told the "poor" women of Russia had to live in the '50's, 60's, and 70's.

-- Dot (, December 14, 1999.

I never cease to be amazed by the near complete ignorance of the racist roots of abortion. The pro-abortion people really owe it to themselves to read some of what Margaret Sanger said about using it for eugenics.

Since a *lot* of the recipients of the "service" are minorities, I think Sanger must be smiling from the grave.

-- Ron Schwarz (, December 14, 1999.

Grr...snarl! Not this topic again....abortion: who gives a s***!

Can we talk about Y2K? Please!

-- Tim the Y2K nut (, December 14, 1999.

Dot: Agree completely. The most valuable contributor to their 'GDP' is the person who has terminal (expensive) cancer, has just (expensive) been divorced, and had his house burn down (increased services all around). Ron: Yes, absolutely, and the fact that Planned Parenthood still calls its HQ the 'Sanger Center,' speaks volumes of their true racist, and anti-human, creed. Tim: I do. Lots of people do. Just because you don't doesn't mean we pipe down. The discussions here at TB2K have always been free-wheeling, and I won't censor my speech to suit your proclivities. And don't censor yours to suit mine. But I'll ask you this, Tim--have you ever wondered why it is that the national media will NEVER show a picture of an aborted fetus? Too grisly? They show grisly stuff all the time: rotting skulls in Kosovo, skulls in Somalia, holocaust imagery--and justly so: these are abominations. But why not an image of an aborted fetus? I think the answer is obvious: people, upon seeing these images, would come to see abortion for the abomination it really is. Our Cultural Managers are passionate about abortion, and do everything to defend it, even when the baby is being born.

-- Rider (Free@last.Amen), December 14, 1999.

Tim....whats your stand on euthanasia? What about manslaughter? Genocide? Infanticide is murder, whether its sanctioned by "law" or not. Don't tell us you don't have a problem with murder, your credibility would really take a (deeper) nosedive.

-- Jay Urban (, December 14, 1999.


Have you ever read any portions of the Dred Scott decision?? In the opinions of the Justices who voted to treat him as property they justified it by using classic Pro-Choice logic.

" I don't approve of slavery and would never myself own a slave but I can't sanction imposing my morality on someone else therefore....."

Whether it is slavery or abortion the logic is the same; classify someone as less than human thus stripping them of protection from the law and then do any inhumane thing that you want to do to them.

-- Dana (, December 14, 1999.

Sanger was slicker than that. She wanted to refine the gene pool by encouraging minorities to abort their offspring.

-- Ron Schwarz (, December 14, 1999.

To All Posters other than Tim the Y2K Nut:.....Bless You!!

To Tim the Y2K Nut:....listen and learn.

-- TM (, December 14, 1999.

Is it just me, or is Keyes the only Republican candidate that seems to have any leadership abilitity?

I would be proud to have Mr. Keyes for president. I can't say that about any of the other candidates - Republican or Demokrat.

-- Holly Douglas (, December 14, 1999.

Keyes has my vote. If he doesn't win the nomination, I'm going to have to consider the Libertarian Party or (possibly) the Reform Party.

I think Keyes comes off as too abrasive to the mainstream media. To me his speeches and intellect are music to my ears.

-- coprolith (, December 14, 1999.

The "pro-choice" crowd is always praising "conservatives" who have adopted a 'nuanced' position on abortion. I would like them, just once, to explain what the 'nuanced' position on slavery is?

-- Mr. Warrick (, December 14, 1999.

I have to tell you I really like Keyes and would absolutely vote for him if it weren't for one thing; his stance on Christianity in public schools and public policy. Now before anyone flames me I have absolutley nothing against Christains, Muslims, Hindus or whatever. If you have strong faith and a belief in God, more power to you. I really mean that. As long as you are willing to let me worship how I desire and not force/enforce your beliefs on me or mine then I have no problem with you. We can disagree on abortion or whatever but your beliefs are yours and my beliefs are mine. None is 'better' than the other and neither of us has the right to say how the other should live his/her life, no matter what the Priests/Rabbies/Holy Men might say.

You must realize though that to non-Cristians Keyes sounds like he's ready to put a Christ on a Cross in every classroom and make our kids say Grace before lunch. I have nothing against a Christian President or a Jewish, Muslim or Hindu one for that matter. I actually WANT someone who has a strong personal and moral connection to God. I just don't want them forcing their beliefs, WHATEVER they may be, on the rest of us.


-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), December 14, 1999.

Newsflash: I'd rather have Keyes "force his beliefs on me" than have ClintonGore force *its* beliefs on me.

NewsflashUpdate: Gee, ClintonGore has been forcing its beliefs on me for the better part of a decade, and will do so for *another* 9 years of given the opportunity.

I have no problem with Keyes.

Let's try to find something to do other than look for a mote in Keyes' eye while we ignore the logjam that surrounds us in the *rest* of the politicrats.

-- Ron Schwarz (, December 14, 1999.

Allen Keyes articulates so well what many feel. But hey, if we are in such a tizzy about y2k then why the interest in an election?

-- (not@so.sure), December 14, 1999.

i too am amazed that keyes is blown off by the so called media. the guy actually understands the constitution and declaration of independence. what a concept for a national leader. i loved his response to the philosopher he admired most: thomas jefferson. could do without the abortion stance, but, can't let just one issue cloud my mind. unfortunately, his main point is personal responsibility, and we all know that the sheeple just don't want that. they NEED gov't as it is (and bigger).


-- theletterz (, December 14, 1999.

The dumbest thing I've heard a member of the press say lately, was Jeff Greenfield's comment after an earlier debate. He said he thought it was a waste of time for the debates to include these candidates who have no possibilty of getting the nomination. WHAT? Excuse me you self-rightious moron, they happen to be on the BALLOT of these primaries. It is your job to cover the process, not to determine, a year in advance, who is electable and therefore choose not to cover those candidates. Have the political pundits completely forgotten their civics lessons? ...Stupid

-- for real (, December 14, 1999.

Hey Forrest--

And I thought I was the only one who listened to NPR everyday who was also a regular reader of WND.

I agree with your take wholeheartedly, btw. I really don't subscribe personally to most of WND editors/contributors' political viewpoint, but I *have* to acknowledge that WND is *consistently* more independant and more accurate when it comes to any story which might conflict with Big Govt./Corporate interests.



-- sean (npr@worldnet.daily), December 14, 1999.

Alan Keyes has no intention of forcing Christianity on students in the public schools. What he has proposed is teaching the basis of the foundational documents of America in the public schools. This includes the underlying conviction that rights come from God, not from government, and that government is ordained by God and established among men in order to secure those rights.

Apart from a wide understanding of those principles, there is little hope for the survival of freedom. A wicked nation will not remain free, no matter how much licentiousness it may exercise. And anyone's refusal to acknowledge God will not in the least prevent his standing before him one day, sooner or later.

Several of the candidates gave a good accounting of themselves last night, but I am most impressed by the character and consistency of Alan Keyes. I agree, if you like him send him some support. And check out the Declaration Foundation if you would like more information on where he is coming from. I have followed Alan Keyes for about 4 years, and am amazed at the media's refusal to give him any coverage. Compare this man with Jesse Jackson trying to start trouble in Decatur, IL. Who gets the coverage? I believe Keyes is for real.



-- gene (, December 14, 1999.

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