Y2K rollover, no problem...

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Most people understand that Y2K is just hype. Nothing of interest is going to happen. Don't you feel stupid with that extra bedroom filled with sacks of dried beans and barrels of water? You have no facts and data. You have no proof. Go ahead, give this forum one example of a Y2K related problem that is going to happen. One example! That's all. One! It's over. Start apologizing today. Maybe your friends will forget that you didn't know a damn thing about Y2k.

ttfn

Doug

-- Doug (Doug@itsover.com), December 13, 1999

Answers

Yo Doug,

Unless you're clairvoyant, you will ultimately have to admit the same thing we pessimists are perfectly happy to admit: nobody, NOBODY, can predict the future with 100% certainty. Not me, not you, not John Koskinen, not Bill Clinton, not anyone. Even your most upbeat optimist will slip that little disclaimer into his joyous message -- e.g., "Nobody can be absolutely certain about the outcome of Y2K ... but we here at XYZ are supremely confident that ... "

The thing is: we pessimsts can afford to be wrong. We can eat our mistakes. Can you? If you say, "Yeah, sure, absolutely, no problem" then I suggest you should stop wasting additional money, and hustle down to your insurance company tomorrow morning and cancel your car insurance, your home-owners insurance, and your life insurance. Why not? What could possibly go wrong?

Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), December 13, 1999.


boy, will this thread see some action, huh? -grin-

-- joe (joe@adeveloper.net), December 13, 1999.

Just ignore this creep and he'll go away. Don't try to reason with him; he obviously doesn't have a brain. Don't feed this troll.

-- cody (cody@y2ksurvive.com), December 13, 1999.

PLEASE people, let this thread die a quiet death. Don't waste your time answering this troll idiot...

-- Nabi (nabi7@yahoo.com), December 13, 1999.

Excuse me, what does "ttfn" mean? Tutti finito?

-- Casey DeFranco (caseyd@silcom.com), December 13, 1999.


Year 2000 Facts, Forecasts, and Areas of Concern

http://www.wbn.com/y2ktimebomb/Computech/Issues/bone9943.htm

-- Year 2000 Facts, Forecasts, and (Areas@of.Concern), December 13, 1999.


Clueness thougts abound, even at this late date, amazing!!

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), December 13, 1999.

Casey- ttfn: ta-ta for now. It was popular in Britain, at least with the people I knew when I lived there.

-- impala (impala@wild.com), December 13, 1999.

You're right Doug, we have no proof. A little frightening, isn't it, considering the wide range of opinion? I would prefer to be sure one way or the other, but I can't be. Therefore I take steps to protect myself and my loved ones, including young children. Do you have children, Doug?

(And, BTW - it's not over, it's beginning!)

-- (dot@dot.dot), December 13, 1999.


Why do I always think these posts are sarcastic and that the person is actually a GI who is joking?

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), December 13, 1999.


Mara,

because of the "NANNER, NANNER, NANNER" *(DGI sticks tongue out at doomers)*, attitude of the people that post them.

-- (cavscout@fix.net), December 13, 1999.


Doug,

Don't look now, but a while back Socrates demonstrated that the "proof" you're demanding is logically inconclusive, for one side or the other.

Guess we'll all have to be patient and see who drew the right conclusion from the available evidence.

Meanwhile, don't get your panties in a bunch.

Hasta la vista,

Carmen@nottillthefatlady.sings

-- Carmen (
Carmen@nottillthefatlady.sings), December 13, 1999.


Hey Doug, do you live in Spring Texas and have three kids? If so, I think I know you.

TTFN==ta-ta for now. Something Tigger of the Winnie the Pooh stories likes to say. And something my odd father in law likes to say.

Hmmm. On second thought, you AREN'T the Doug I know, he would never say ttfn.

Go away.

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), December 13, 1999.


Doug,

Its far too late to ask this question. At this late date you're either convinced and GI or not.

This I do know: I work for a middle sized California County government. I'm a member of my agency's Y2K TF. I have a reasonably clear picture of how well we as a county govt. are prepared. My IT people are all GI's, and that should say enough. Already small problems are accumulating: printers fail to print; PW's disappear - only to reappear later in the day; User ID's are not recognized on the LAN/WAN - but not consistently; PW's expire at the wrong date; users are "booted" off the system for PW violations though they haven't violated; strange and confounding error messages from WinNT and Novell appear at login. My IT people are shaking their heads and throwing their hands in the air. If its not a problem with our system, its a problem with the multi-agency used mainframe.

Is it all Y2K? Probably not - at least not directly. You see, the mainframe IT people are working their tails off to get it all done. They're tired, working against the deadline and have started to make mistakes. And - they put off doing the hardest jobs to the end. They knew all along, for instance, that the LAN/WAN routers would fail on 1-1-2000. They changed them out two weeks ago. And two weeks ago the rate of problems we're experiencing got worse.

Am I alone in the world? Is my local government the sole entity in the country faced with the same problems? I don't know - other than what I read on the threads here. I have to believe that we are not unique.

So, can I prove that Y2K is a disaster just waiting around the corner? No. Do I believe that an ounce of common sense and personal preparation is the logical course of action? Yes. Will I be embarrassed if the pollys are right? No! I'll dance in the streets and hug the first polly that I see if they are right.

-- Darby (DarbyII@AOL.com), December 14, 1999.


Darby:

I absolutely agree with your post. My preps are nothing but insurance for myself and my family. If everything ends up being "hunky dorry" I'll be dancing wit ya!!

-- Familyman (prepare@home.com), December 14, 1999.



Doug--

I think you really have a point here. There haven't been any y2k problems. American corporations were just tricked out of 100,000,000,000 dollars.

Wow. Pretty good bait and switch that one.

And, your also right about rice and beans. I mean there aren't any people who could eat them if there turns out to be no serious problems. The 3000 or so homeless people living on the streets of Portland, OR, for example are so fat it makes me sick!!!

They really need to eat less!

Also, there is no y2k problem.

I admit it.

I'll start with the calls to friends and family tomorrow.

Best,

sean

-- sean (doug@is.very.calm.and.rationale), December 14, 1999.


Doug, I'd like to know if it turns out that you are seriously wrong, will you take credit for the people you will have killed because they listened to you. Maybe paint little x's on the side of your car or something.

-- none (none@none.com), December 14, 1999.

Ed,

I would agree with your statement regarding the uncertainty associated with forecasting the effects of Y2k (or for that matter future trends in technology, stock market, etc). And yes, people in both camps tend to add a caveat (in small print) to cover their ass. But that still does not give cover or excuse individuals who make or have made inflammatory statements or posts that indicate a lack of research...To that end, I have just finished a second reading of your textbook (library loan) and wondered if you made any attempts to consult with engineers in the areas of power, telecomm or SOC? Based on certain statments made on the front/back jackets and within the book - I am certain that it would have benefited you and your readers to have consulted with the following IEEE organizations:

Power Engineering Society (PES) Communication Society (COMSOC) Control Systems Society (CSS) and Electronic Device Society (EDS).

Undoubtedly, members of the above organizations could have provided invaluable advice and prevent the obvious errors within your publication.

Once again, might I also recommend that you consider perusing the textbook list provided in my previous posting...Regards,

-- joe thomas (joe_thomas3@hotmail.com), December 14, 1999.


joe: In spite of those "obvious errors" in Yourdon's publications, you don't name even ONE, do you?? You pathetic pus bag.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 14, 1999.

Doug, I'd like to know if it turns out that you are seriously wrong, will you take credit for the people you will have killed because they listened to you. Maybe paint little x's on the side of your car or something.

Doug won't be alive to paint anything on his car. I don't think anyone will miss him either.

-- (its@coming.soon), December 14, 1999.


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