Crazy Kong level skip

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Should players be allowed to skip the barrel stages by jumping off the side of the screen? just wanted to know what you thought.

-- Jeff Wolfe (milehighdt@yahoo.com), December 13, 1999

Answers

I'm sure ben has a more eloquent answer than i would but i'm bored since i can't see marp right now.

I would think if the only way the level can be passed (some of the impossible levels can't be with normal means) then it should be allowed, otherwise it seems like a form of points leeching (since you get all the time points for jumping off the screen so fast.)

-- Chad (churritz@cts.com), December 13, 1999.


I myself usually don't do it, except at L=22, because there, it's impossible to finish the 25m otherwise. I don't think there's an official ban on it (and if there were, it probably would have to make an exception for L=22), and I don't mind if people do it. People in the arcades did it all the time, so why should we disallow it in MAME?

Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), December 13, 1999.


Hmm... I don't think I'd consider it point leeching to jump through the floor. I can get more points by finishing the 25m the regular way and smashing barrels, especially on the first version of Crazy Kong. The first version is the one without the missing pieces on the 25m. On MAME, the ROMsets ckongalc, ckongs (to some extent), and monkeyd all are the first version. The second version (with missing pieces on the 25m and fast conveyor belts on the 50m on L=02 and higher), sometimes also known as Crazy Kong II, can be found in ckong, ckonga, ckongjeu, and ckongo. It's not as easy in the latter because the 2nd hammer is quite a bit harder to get.

In addition, I'd hardly consider anything that finishes a screen FASTER point leeching. Point leeching, IMO, is when you don't try to progress through the game, but hold back for extended periods of time to get more points.

Either way, you can't leech too many points in CK anyway...

Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), December 13, 1999.


if u can walk into an arcade and perform this skip, then I see no prolem with it?????

-- game guru (games.guru@cableinet.co.uk), December 14, 1999.

Here is how I see the issue: Game Guru - Your statement holds no water at all. I can go into an arcade and perform a 256 lives trick on many machines, or go ahead and sit forever at one place and racking up points, but both are certainly frowned on here. About the point leeching - Anything that scores you more than what the regular play of the game should score is leeching, aka cheating to finish a level earlier for a bigger bonus, etc.

-- Chris Parsley (cparsley1@hotmail.com), December 15, 1999.


I can contribute an answer to the skip level trick on Crazy Kong. It's this simple, if you plan on having your score recognized in the Twin Galaxies Book of World Records, then I suggest the trick isn't used. Even know players used it in the arcade, so did players use the no-fire trick on Galaga and managed to have their 10's of millions of point scores printed in video games and Joystick magazines back in the days. Their will be a section on the next book dedicated just for MAME. ALL GAMES WILL BE PLAYED ON THE RECOMMENDED SETTINGS and if it doesn't say anything about using the skip level trick then I recommend playing without it. NO Galaga scores will make the book or web page and will get NO recognition if they have been suspected to be done with the no fire trick, I think this should apply with Crazy Kong. If it becomes a bigger issue, I will call Walter Day and discuss this with him. Also, just a reminder, I know for a fact that the majority of scores derived from www.classicgaming.com/snipersarcade/ and www.sniperarcade.com/cubeman/mame.txt will make the book for sure because of how carefull they've been looked at. If you have a score that you want to see in the book, send the inp to anyone of these 2 pages and if Mark and Ron varify the inp and find it meets the criteria of TG, and it makes the top ten list, then it's in the book. Their are alot of really good players and scores on MARP but with all the contraversy going on over the past few months, I just decided to take a pause for a while like Angry did untill I can truley believe inps will be done without any form of cheating, or anything that alters the game in any manner, othrwise I will just play and build up my inp folder and wait for the right time to upload them.

Regards, Steve Krogman

-- stephen krogman (skrogman@bellsouth.net), December 15, 1999.


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