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Dear Colleagues,

I just finished reconciling my monthly credit card statement, and realized I have made several high-priced Y2K purchases that are still sitting in crates and boxes. If Y2K is going to be a bump, as I have recently come to believe, it would be wise to keep these receipts and return the articles in a couple of weeks. As a matter of caution, I suggest you also keep your receipts, and leave your purchases unopened.

-- (, December 12, 1999



-- Porky (Porky@in.cellblockD), December 12, 1999.

Tell us what they are...who knows, if the price is right, maybe you'll find an eager buyer here in the forum.

-- TM (, December 12, 1999.

I would go so far as to suggest writing down a list of the things you have purchased on some cute Martha Stewart stationary. That way you'll be organized come the millenium.

By the way Lady, do you realize how many generators the City of Scottsdale has purchased for Y2K? My sister lives there and showed me a posting from the City on their community information bulletin board contracting for the installation of 40 (that's right 40) of these generators. They are not the little home depot type either.

Best of luck to you in the desert! Got water?

-- Gordon (, December 12, 1999.

Whata ya think Lady-illogical, did the city of Scottsdale, AZ keep their receipts so they can return their generators??

Get a life Lady!!

Your Pal Ray

-- Ray (, December 12, 1999.

Lady Loony-

If you are so sure that THE WORLD IS NOT GOING TO END, then why don't you show some ovaries and send all that useless shit back RIGHT NOW?

FWIW, all the stuff I bought is going to be used one way or another, no matter what happens. What kind of goofy stuff are you hoarding?

-- omegaman (nottheendbut@helluva.ride), December 12, 1999.

I think we all should take seriously the advice of someone who only learned recently that oil is a fossil fuel.

-- Vic (, December 12, 1999.

Local sporting goods store has a sign by the register that says "In the event the world doesn't come to an end, all Y2K 'emergency' items are non-refundable". Many retailers are way ahead of you Lady...


-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), December 12, 1999.


I really think you should consider the deeper ramifications of such activity.

Why, you could create a "Rush to Exchange" panic that could destroy the retail market and impact the entire world economy and global supply chain.

[sarcasm off]


PS. People are already being affected by Y2k. It is a bump already.


-- Michael Taylor (, December 12, 1999.

Are you the same lady that buys a dress right before the office, or church, or other important party, and then returns it after the party because it has a spot on it? You know--the spot caused by you gobbling up the free snacks.)

-- gilda (, December 12, 1999.

Re: Scottsdale generators,

Gordon's statement is pure HEARSAY. Furthermore, it is easily verifiable by calling Mr. Chesley tomorrow.

Additionally, as Mr. Chesley stated to me at the AMG meeting, there are areas of Paradise Valley that have a lift system for their sewage. Even if the electricity stays up, those people could theoretically end up in deep doo-doo anyway. Cripes, I can't believe you blame officials for making contingency plans to avoid problems and making Y2K a 3.

-- (, December 12, 1999.

You know, I kinda like the theory that has the lady as a Kosinsky hire.

What in the world would change a skeptic's mind so quickly and radically? Information that the oil industry is not totally at risk? Is that the only industry at risk in this country? I am not a paranoid person, but this woman's about-turn is very, very odd.

-- Mara (, December 12, 1999.

Well Gordo,

What about the hearsay charge? Who is more credible; your sister, or her uncle and pa? This is a serious charge Gecko! After all Lady Lunatic knows everything thats going on, not just in Phoenix, but the entire state of Arizona! I expect a reply immediately, if not sooner!

-- omegaman (hangin'on@for.BITR), December 12, 1999.





You're jealousy is overcoming your rationality (as usual, you WIMP!)

-- (, December 12, 1999.

I just had an "epiphany":

1) LL shows up on this forum, posting more or less reasonably.

2) LL then shows up in the chat room, playing the psycho troll from hell (Really, if you haven't experienced it, it defies belief).

3) LL comes back to the forum, announces she's had an about face. This brings some flamage anyway, but with the abundance of people she's infuriated to an absolutely rabid level, in the chat room, LL hopes this brings about an absolute swarm of flames.

Applause! Applause! Clever, clever, clever.

I just tacked the following, onto the end of your oversized oil thread, LL, but it bears repeating - kudos for being perhaps the most effective troll ever. You must be very proud.

-- Bokonon (, December 12, 1999.


Omegaman=Bardou? Sorry genius, wrong again. But really, what difference does it make? After all, we'll all breath a sigh of relief once your uncle and pop get on this oil problem. BTW, have you sent any of your unneeded credit card purchases back yet?

-- omegaman (sendingb@ck.allmystuff), December 12, 1999.


Bardou, I told you I was a genius. You must be peeing a spot in your pants the size of California right about now.

Now that you know I am a genius, would you like my prediction for where you live?

-- (, December 12, 1999.

Bok, I do believe you're right. Additionally, because of it's wealth of knowledge about the issues and people on this forum, it's possible this person has been around the forum for some time. Likely it's a malicious poster we've known and despised previously. Either that, or it's been fed a good deal of pertinent information. Whether this individual is impersonating a deranged personality or really is one doesn't matter; anyone who plays or behaves as this person does is in need of more help than anyone here can provide. Still, its posts here are relatively harmless and serve only to underscore the, er, shall we say, failings of the individual, not those of the forum.

Your and Chris's chatrooms have provided a valuable service and the "fallback" chatrooms take care of any intrusion problems with little or no inconvenience. This troll has provided a much-needed pressure valve, and actually (and no doubt unintentionally) served a useful purpose to anyone feeling a little stressed. Maybe we should thank it!

-- Old Git (, December 12, 1999.

LadyLogic: "You're jealousy is overcoming your rationality..."

Don't you get enough attention from friends, family, co-workers? Why must you insist on placing yourself on a pedestal. Your act is beginning to get old. The insecure and the self-absorbed belong in Washington DC or Hollywood, not here. The vast majority of the folks that contribute to this forum are level-headed and unassuming, but you mock them with your holier-than-thou attitude.

I really believe that deep down you are a wonderful and caring person who is able to make a positive contribution to this forum...just stop being a princess.

-- TM (, December 12, 1999.

Go ahead loser. 0 for 2 would keep your record perfect.

-- omegaman (tiredof@this.troll), December 12, 1999.


you hit the nail on the head:

"Don't you get enough attention from friends, family, co-workers? Why must you insist on placing yourself on a pedestal. Your act is beginning to get old. The insecure and the self-absorbed........"

This woman is completely deluded as to her own infallible ability to think logically. She has such an overwhelmingly high opinion of herself that she simply cannot believe there is any way she could possibly be wrong. To her a degree and a high I.Q. should be unquestioned proof of her credibility. She is deluded.

She is insecure. She is begging for attention (which we give to her in spades, I admit that). She is probably alone (who could live with her?), and scared to death of Y2K. But now that it is getting oh-so- close, she is in deep denial. She is terrified of what might happen, and doesn't want to admit that it can happen.

Laura- if you really want all the attention you can handle, take your dribble over to cpr's forum; they will probably annoint you queen for life in about 10 seconds.......until even they figure out how little sense you make...

-- omegaman (so sad@bout.poorLaura), December 12, 1999.

Omegawoman/wimp...and Old Git,

I assure you I am not terrified at all; I was when I first came to TB2000, but not anymore. I honestly, and truly believe Y2K is going to be a 3 in the United States, and a 1 - 2 for me.

Furthermore, you should be able to recognize by now I am among the most secure and loving people you will ever meet. I have the guts, logic, intelligence, and the ability and resiliancy, to withstand any slings, zings, and arrows that you, or anyone else can deliver. So, keep it up you guys. I feed off of your ranting.

-- (, December 12, 1999.

"I told you I was a genius. You must be peeing a spot in your pants the size of California right about now.

-- (, December 12, 1999. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!Oh,jeeze,stop it...if I keep laughing this hard I'll pee a spot in your pants the size of wisconsin(can you guess what state I'm in?)BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(SNORT) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

-- zoobie (, December 12, 1999.

Oh get out,you feed off your ego,and it causes you to suffer.

-- zoobie (, December 12, 1999.

LadyLogic,: "Furthermore, you should be able to recognize by now I am among the most secure and loving people you will ever meet. I have the guts, logic, intelligence, and the ability and resiliancy, to withstand any slings, zings, and arrows that you, or anyone else can deliver. So, keep it up you guys. I feed off of your ranting."

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt (see my post above), but you seem oblivious to sound advice. You're do live off the attention that others give you. Need I say more?

This is the last response from me...I suggest that other posters in this forum ignore her as well

-- TM (, December 12, 1999.

I, for one, am now very disappointed, LL. This "I've spent money on preps but believe that I will be soon returning them" spiel has appeared before; it's an old troll trick. One, in fact, that usually indicates a beginner troll.

You done good, girl. In your brief time here, you have made Decker look like a rank amateur. In a couple of weeks, you have outdone what he took months of BS to build.

However, I think that at this point that you have overplayed your hand a bit. Your "Can someone explain to me what stakes versus odds means?" question on the other (HUMONGOUS) thread was a dead giveaway -- anyone who has studied Y2K for more than a day will understand this simple concept.

However, I have a feeling that your "flash in the pan" is about over. Forum regulars usually give every benefit of the doubt to try to ensure that someone who is really and truly looking for honest answers will get them. But once it becomes clear that that someone is a troll just wasting everyone's time, it's all downhill from there.

I just wished that you had not stooped to THIS thread; it is just so tired and so lame. It is well beneath your troll talents. (Plus: "credit cards", capitalized? From someone claimed one should avoid debt in Y2K preparation??? Hoo-boy.)

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 12, 1999.

Laura tried to fit in as a middling doomer, but did not get enough attention. She saw that the trolls attract a lot of attention. So she became a polly troll and is getting loads of attention. Attention.

-- attention (attention@attention.attention), December 12, 1999.

Buying something you want, then returning it because you don't want it, is not right. How do you sleep at night?

-- Carol (, December 12, 1999.


Mother of Al-d

what do you think?

-- d----- (, December 12, 1999.

For all those considering to prepare - PREPARE FAST.

For those done and having fun watching a moron's thoughts spew onto their monitor, he's the deal. (This will get me in trouble, but it's my experience.)

Most women, who have the ridiculous attitude of LuneyLogic, wish more than anything, that the rest of the world saw them as (her term) a Goddess. They have diluded themselves at every waking moment, into a type of trance, believing that they are so-o-o desirable. They just "know" that men really want to be with THEM.

They think they are a 10, but are really a 5 or less.

LoneyLogic sent me her picture. It was one of those silly studio "glamor" shots, which never look glamorous. I have no idea why people pay money to have those pictures done. When I didn't respond the way she wanted, she said in an e-mail, "You didn't look at my picture, did you."

I guess after seeing her picture, I was supposed to be awed and amazed.

I responded with my thoughts on Oil. Later, she said, "I don't usually look like that, I'll send you my Drivers License photo next."

I pleased to report I didn't have to suffer that experience. My monitor would have landed in the Van Nuys Sewer. (Inside joke for Eve)

-- Gregg (, December 12, 1999.

Carol, I don't think you quite have it. LL intends to "use" it by holding it over the rollover, then returning it for a full refund. At a minimum, she owes the store rent. If she is so sure she won't need it, fine, go ahead and return it now so the store has a chance to resell it. Waiting to see if she needs and then demanding her money back is what makes her so completely unethical.

-- Had it (with@this.troll), December 12, 1999.

*Earth to Gregg*


-- flora (***@__._), December 12, 1999.

I want to know just *what* (if anything) is sitting in "crates" that you think you will be returning in "a couple of weeks"?

is that too much to ask?

-- plonk! (, December 12, 1999.


"My monitor would have landed in the Van Nuys Sewer." LOL!

But "inside joke"? Judging by the response to that monster-thread down the block (which contained the reference), I somehow don't think it remained "inside" for very long.

To those who have not yet seen The Thread:

Yes, dear reader, you may have to sift through about 270 posts (at this writing) to find the reference, but rest assured, although you may not find the reference a big deal, the trip will be unforgettable.

-- eve (, December 12, 1999.

I would like to thank lady logic? for her posts. They generate some of the longest, funniest, thigh-slappin' responses on the forum. You really know how to get a reaction. A master (but then what would I expect from a genius?). "Dear Colleagues", what a hoot!!

-- Michael (, December 12, 1999.


I would like to apologize to you right here and now. I thought you were Omegaman, and now I realize it was Old Git.

I'm so sorry.

-- (, December 12, 1999.


What a wonderful hornet's nest you have provoked. Such good fun!

-- lars (, December 13, 1999.

Well sh*t, just want you to know Lady that before you go accusing people of being someone they aren't, maybe you should sit back, calm down and relax. First of all, someone tonight alerted me to this thread in the chat room and this is the first time I have visited this thread ever. I certainly will never pee in my pants over Y2k, but there will be a whole lot of people sh*tting in their pants when TSHTF. Second of all, you called me a wimp in the chat room and then you quickly left. I'm the last person anyone would ever call a wimp here on TB2000. I really don't know what your game is or why you are so hell bent on causing so much trouble and dissension at this point in time. No one here is about to change their mind about Y2K, and no one really cares what you or any other polly/troll thinks at this point in time about Y2K. Most of us have been researching and planning for the future and the foundation has been laid. What you or anyone else thinks will not change my plans, my preps nor my life. As far as California goes Lady, well, I've lived here for 48 years, been through several earthquakes, and have survived all of the "end of the world" predictions for California. I have also survived cancer, so I guess you can say that I am one tough bird. But there's one thing you must learn Lady, no matter how much you or anyone else wants to destroy a human spirit, you better watch out for KARMA. Bardou

-- Bardou (, December 13, 1999.


As of late, everytime LL drops a post here (regardless of how harmless it is) this place turns into a firestorm.

Cut her some slack. This place isn't just "good guys" and "bad guys", many of us are complex and mixed up and our postings reflect that. LL seems to thrive on the rage she creates here and that doesn't appear altogether healthy to me. Next time, be a little more understanding or shuffle on to the next thread. O.K.?

-- Choirboy (, December 13, 1999.

Delete and Ban

-- Lilly (, December 13, 1999.

BRAVO, Bardou!


-- Pinkrock (, December 13, 1999.

Choirboy, would you mind posting your plea for understanding over at Debunking Y2K? At Lady's FIRST appearance (which occurred early today), Doc Paulie told her:

Dear Spammer, You are being recorded and action will be taken if you persist. Unlike your NAZI board where all opposing views are wiped clean, I allow most anything as long as you act like an adult. 12 reposts of the same thing is SPAM. I pay for this board out of my pocket. I do not have MIT financing this place with taxpayer dollars. I would hope you understand like and go F*** yourself someplace else. - WorldCom Advanced Networks 1000 Holcomb Woods Parkway, Suite 342 Roswell, GA 30076 USA Monti, Robert rmonti@GRIDNET.COM 770-641-6620 GRIDNET-ROUTER-MGNT3 07-Aug-1998 Source:

Regulars of Debunki=(the post, "Sending this back from whence it came...." , appeared multiple times [12] before I trimmed all of them sans this copy)

Choirboy, I'm sure they'd appreciate your advice over there:

-- Happy (to@help.out), December 13, 1999.

Lady, you are wrong again--I am not Omegaman.

Sysops, my vote goes to delete the last three threads begun by this troll.

-- Old Git (, December 13, 1999.

LoonyLoser's guesses about the identity of omegaman are as accurate as her guesses about y2k. Delete.

-- (, December 13, 1999.


-- (DELETE@DELETE.DELETE), December 13, 1999.


You asked why LL gets flamed so badly, when she posts? That's because LL has taken very effective steps to assure maximum flammage. She's only getting what she's asked for.

I pride myself on being extremely tolerant, and am usually the last one to cry "DELETE". But this abomination has surpassed even my tolerance.

If you had been in either of the chat rooms set up by forum members last night , you would know what I am talking about.

-- Bokonon (, December 13, 1999.


"You asked why LL gets flamed so badly, when she posts? That's because LL has taken very effective steps to assure maximum flammage. She's only getting what she's asked for."

I'm well aware of that. If LL were more like some of the twits we get in here (I don't need to name them for you) I'd say go ahead and flame, if you've got time for that sort of thing. Sadly, I don't think LL fits into this category... She reminds me of people I've had to deal with in the past that have had serious personal problems that take on social manifestations. Don't contribute to another's self-destruction, you'll end up regretting your lack of maturity and tolerance if you do.

Frankly, I'd like to see the whole forum throw her off balance by "love-bombing" her. You never know....

-- Choirboy (, December 13, 1999.

I'm sure you're a nice guy Choirboy, but there is a difference here. Agreed some people do need "help". But there are others, that are quite aware and calculating about what they are doing.

Ethically, LoneyIllogic could be held partly responsible for people's deaths. Of course, individual responsibility is prime, but for new people, or people that are under her "spell", were Y2K to turn out worse than a 3, and they took action based on her recommendations, they'd be hurtin' at best.

Plus, her vision is so myopic, riddled with incomplete information and wrong information (intentionally - I believe), that this brings her motives seriouly into question. Her, "I didn't mean to be bad BULL$HIT" is just a ruse.

At best, she is one of these people who never gets "busted", and never has to face the conseqences of their actions. Growing up isn't easy, and it doesn't happen by playing footsy with this type of person.

People change, when staying the way they are, is more uncomfortable than taking the next step. By trying to be easy on her, will just prolong the ordeal. This is not a clinic for the nutcases of modern society.

Beside the "entertainment value" of the recent threads, little regard should be paid to them. There probably are going to be some breaking events, that we will all want to monitor, without distraction. But, you can always skip the thread. If she can't fit in - too bad.

-- Gregg (, December 13, 1999.


"Agreed some people do need "help". But there are others, that are quite aware and calculating about what they are doing."

And others who are a combination of the two you've cited. Putting LL aside here for a moment; given the potential stresses that could be created by Y2K, we're bound to see examples of cognitive dissonance in this forum. Unstable types are likely to shatter, so IMHO, we should learn to recognize those that are fragile and either lend them support or ignore them if they get too obnoxious.

Back to LL, when she came here she appeared to get quite frightened by the info in these threads... Before too long she'd dropped way down on the 1-10 scale. To my eyes it seemed to be an interesting variation of "Don't Want to Get It". Perhaps her recent antics have been a way for her to sublimate her intense fears about the future. If so, it'd be humane for us all to help her come to grips with the possibilities.

Wasting bandwidth barking at her is doing no good at all.

-- Choirboy (, December 13, 1999.

LL could find herself in big trouble if come Y2K and TSHTF. She has not unpacked her preps. How does she know they will work if she needs them. She will have one heck of a time getting things fixed/exchanged if the stores are all closed up. This is one foolish lady.

-- Homeschooling Grandma (, December 14, 1999.

It's already too late for her. She is so far into her delusions that she would never be able to make use of her preps anyway, assuming she really has any.

I agree that this is not a clinic and we are not here to help her overcome her delusions. Yes, if there are those who take action based on her lunatic rantings, then she would indeed be responsible for their deaths. However, it seems highly doubtful that she'll live long enough to take that responsibility anyway. It's best to move on and concern ourselves with the people who matter.

-- (its@coming.soon), December 14, 1999.

-- (, December 14, 1999.
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